PS6 with the same RTX 4090 power?

Umm people are talking about the ps6...the ps5 pro would be lucky to match a 3080ti.
3080 Ti was released in 2021 and is a slightly cut down GA102 (TOTL, near 3090/Ti) with different memory configurations. 3-4 years to come close to that in raster for current midrange is pretty good imo. Assuming the PS5 Pro gets a Navi 32 equivalent GPU (7800XT) and you get a whole system for sub $600.

In 4 years+ tech will have moved on a lot from now.
 
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Man, didn't know we had so many nVidia dick riders here on gaf. Yes, an AMD GPU from 2028, 5 years from now, will outperform the top tier nVidia of today. But, don't worry dick riders, nVidia will have a $2000 GPU out then that you can brag outperforms a $500-$600 console. I'm so happy for you.
 
Man, didn't know we had so many nVidia dick riders here on gaf. Yes, an AMD GPU from 2028, 5 years from now, will outperform the top tier nVidia of today. But, don't worry dick riders, nVidia will have a $2000 GPU out then that you can brag outperforms a $500-$600 console. I'm so happy for you.
And still have random stutters and issues on the PC due to trash Windows or bad ports.
 
PS5 launched in 2020 with similar power to a 2070 Super/2080 in best case scenarios so a 2 years old GPU by that point.
If PS6 launches in 2028 assuming the trend continues it will have the same GPU power as a 2026 GPU.
4090 launched in 2022, assuming 2 year GPU dev cycle -> 2024 is 5000 series -> 2026 is 6000 series.
So the PS6 will probably have around ~6070 power.
Now, is a xx70 GPU more powerful than the top of the line GPU 2 generations earlier? The 4070 is ~26% better than the 2080 Ti, so we could assume the same for the 6070 against the 4090.
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PS5 launched in 2020 with similar power to a 2070 Super/2080 in best case scenarios so a 2 years old GPU by that point.
If PS6 launches in 2028 assuming the trend continues it will have the same GPU power as a 2026 GPU.
4090 launched in 2022, assuming 2 year GPU dev cycle -> 2024 is 5000 series -> 2026 is 6000 series.
So the PS6 will probably have around ~6070 power.
Now, is a xx70 GPU more powerful than the top of the line GPU 2 generations earlier? The 4070 is ~26% better than the 2080 Ti, so we could assume the same for the 6070 against the 4090.
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Guys, stop thinking PS5 is equivalent to 6600XT!
PS5 is equivalent to RX 6600/2070...

I know you all are making that comparison based on that literal specs, but running games the 6600XT is stronger...

But PS5 is a console and in some games or elements in games, the optimization make the trick!!!
And sure!
Sony Exclusives made using all those algorithms and Artistic talent, are in another level !
 
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Guys, stop thinking PS5 is equivalent to 6600XT!
PS5 is equivalent to RX 6600/2070...

I know you all are making that comparison based on that literal specs, but running games the 6600XT is stronger...

But PS5 is a console and in some games or elements in games, the optimization make the trick!!!
And sure!
Sony Exclusives made using all those algorithms and Artistic talent, are in another level !

6600 and 6600XT also have much lower bus and memory bandwidth. In pure TF PS5 is closest to 6600XT but in other metrics it's closer to 6700.

No way that 6600XT performs better than PS5 unless PS5 version is fucked (sometimes this happens). Usually PC parts perform worse thanks to inefficient apis or developer fuck ups.
 
In the meantime, I'll be playing Crysis 4 on my 6090 in 2028, while living in a tent because the card will most likely cost $10k with 2 kW/h energy consumption at idle.
 
No, it's not "designed" to brute force its way. What kind of stupid statement is this? NVIDIA makes the cards. It's up to the developers to use it properly.

Every time I see you post about PCs, it's to make up some fake shit. Don't you have a 4090 in your rig? Then why do you always outright lie or spread misinformation at any given occasion?

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1K watts? Not even if you remove the power limiter and push its clocks as high as possible. Ada is much more power efficient than RDNA 3 or 2.

When I was building my system i had a look online and everyone was suggesting 1kw power supplies.
 
prefering story games is another way of saying you want pretty cinematics , there are 2d games out there with amazing story and nobody is playing them because they dont have pretty graphics

No its not, people always said games are not too gamey anymore and they hate cut scenes or story beats by hard its weird. Imo if your sp game is too much gameplay focused and dont try to tell a compelling story it should instantly score way worse.
 
Pro will be like 7800XT, that's ~3080, maybe close to 3080ti.
Which kind of makes the whole thing kind of disappointing since a 3080 isnt going to be able to run the higher end rt tech that would be needed to distinguish it from the base console especially since they dont have a dlss equivilant to maintain image quality at low resolutions.
 
3080 Ti was released in 2021 and is a slightly cut down GA102 (TOTL, near 3090/Ti) with different memory configurations. 3-4 years to come close to that in raster for current midrange is pretty good imo. Assuming the PS5 Pro gets a Navi 32 equivalent GPU (7800XT) and you get a whole system for sub $600.

In 4 years+ tech will have moved on a lot from now.
The problem is making a strong selling point to distinguish the pro console from the base one, an upgrade at a 3080 level won't really allow the high-end rt tech to be used which would be the easiest way to make an easily noticed difference especially since amd lacks a dlss equivalent which allows acceptable image quality at lower resolutions. Especially since they are using the same zen2 cpus which means bye bye to consistent 60fps as a selling point as cpu heavy games show up on next gen only games.

The 4070 is a 290mm die and its already at the 3080 level, they have the opportunity to charge a 100$ premium on the console and go for a bigger die than the one x which was a 360mm die and actually aim to achieve path tracing at 30fps.
 
Does it need to match the 3080ti? It's not like the TI is substantially faster than the 3080.
It can reach up to 30 percent higher and if they want to target the high end rt in games as an easily distinguishable bullet point a 3080ti would be just about right.
 
The problem is making a strong selling point to distinguish the pro console from the base one, an upgrade at a 3080 level won't really allow the high-end rt tech to be used which would be the easiest way to make an easily noticed difference especially since amd lacks a dlss equivalent which allows acceptable image quality at lower resolutions. Especially since they are using the same zen2 cpus which means bye bye to consistent 60fps as a selling point as cpu heavy games show up on next gen only games.

The 4070 is a 290mm die and its already at the 3080 level, they have the opportunity to charge a 100$ premium on the console and go for a bigger die than the one x which was a 360mm die and actually aim to achieve path tracing at 30fps.
Considering that RDNA 4 is coming next year I wouldn't be surprised if we get some tweaks and features from 4 to makes its way into PS5 Pro. Much like "Strix Point" APU's (AMD Ryzen 8000) which have RDNA 3.5 iGPU's in them. In any case I don't think its massively a big downer if they stick to Zen 2 for the Pro. Since consoles are largely fine at 30-40 fps with high fidelity settings and effects and higher resolutions. And with more importance to UE5; which run terribly, and even more-so on lower end hardware like with consoles. Having near 70% more GPU performance will help a lot to differientate from the core models with way higher base resolutions to work from. And possibly other enhancements with newer hardware.

Still highly sceptical on why they would still be using Zen 2 though. That rumor was from Redgamingtech and yeah. The amount of tosh from this 'sources' is staggering.
 
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Considering that RDNA 4 is coming next year I wouldn't be surprised if we get some tweaks and features from 4 to makes its way into PS5 Pro. Much like "Strix Point" APU's (AMD Ryzen 8000) which have RDNA 3.5 iGPU's in them. In any case I don't think its massively a big downer if they stick to Zen 2 for the Pro. Since consoles are largely fine at 30-40 fps with high fidelity settings and effects and higher resolutions. And with more importance to UE5; which run terribly, and even more-so on lower end hardware like with consoles. Having near 70% more GPU performance will help a lot to differientate from the core models with way higher base resolutions to work from. And possibly other enhancements with newer hardware.

Still highly sceptical on why they would still be using Zen 2 though. That rumor was from Redgamingtech and yeah. The amount of tosh from this 'sources' is staggering.
Strix Point with 60CUs (54 active) just sounds so good for the PS5 Pro. One can dream.
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This thread will be great to come back to once PS6 specs are revealed.

Yes, the PS6 will be superior to the 4090 in every metric.
 
When I was building my system i had a look online and everyone was suggesting 1kw power supplies.
To prevent the PSU from getting knocked offline in the event of power spikes from the GPU. Ampere had that nasty habit of GPUs spiking suddenly 50% above their regular wattage for a split second and this was at times enough to shut down the whole computer. It's always recommended to have significant headroom for power consumption, especially with higher-end parts.

I have a 1000W PSU too for my system (although I have a 13900K which is quite a bit more power-hungry than your 5800X) and never get anywhere near 1000W of total system usage, never mind with the 4090 alone. Hell, with DLSS and frame generation, I actually tend to see the power usage being lower than with my 2080 Ti but for a much better experience.
 
This thread will be great to come back to once PS6 specs are revealed.

Yes, the PS6 will be superior to the 4090 in every metric.

I don't wanna be stupid, but I don't think PS6 will make the same 4090 performance, I mean, the performance between 3090 and 4090 is HIGHER than ever!
I mean, except if the next generations jump would EXTREMELY high till 2027!

But I think that a PS6 with the 3090 raw power, and amazing new AMD technologies + the traditional console optimizations! COULD BE THE BEST COMBINATION!

But as I said, if 5090, 6090, 7090 go too far, who knows...
 
Guys, stop thinking PS5 is equivalent to 6600XT!
PS5 is equivalent to RX 6600/2070...

I know you all are making that comparison based on that literal specs, but running games the 6600XT is stronger...

But PS5 is a console and in some games or elements in games, the optimization make the trick!!!
And sure!
Sony Exclusives made using all those algorithms and Artistic talent, are in another level !
Not sure if this is sarcasm, pure ignorance or inadultared bias.
 
Strix Point with 60CUs (54 active) just sounds so good for the PS5 Pro. One can dream.
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havent been here in a bit so hi but holy crap im the one who has been saying zen 5 (not zen 4) would be so awesome for the pro I hope these specs are true I really pray id be willing to pay up to $700 for those specs.
 
3080 Ti was released in 2021 and is a slightly cut down GA102 (TOTL, near 3090/Ti) with different memory configurations. 3-4 years to come close to that in raster for current midrange is pretty good imo. Assuming the PS5 Pro gets a Navi 32 equivalent GPU (7800XT) and you get a whole system for sub $600.

In 4 years+ tech will have moved on a lot from now.
the pro should be above the 3080ti in pure raster (though probably still weaker in rt) especially if its gonna be over 600+. my expectation is equal to/slightly above a 3090 ti if its $600 or in between a 7900xt and xtx if $700
 
It will be more powerful. Assuming 2028 launch and 2nm it should beat the 4090, even at ray tracing.

PS5 Pro is apparently going to have significant leaps in AMD RT capabilities and that is out next year.
Apparently you know more than us. Could you share more info?
 
PS5 launched in 2020 with similar power to a 2070 Super/2080 in best case scenarios so a 2 years old GPU by that point.
If PS6 launches in 2028 assuming the trend continues it will have the same GPU power as a 2026 GPU.
4090 launched in 2022, assuming 2 year GPU dev cycle -> 2024 is 5000 series -> 2026 is 6000 series.
So the PS6 will probably have around ~6070 power.
Now, is a xx70 GPU more powerful than the top of the line GPU 2 generations earlier? The 4070 is ~26% better than the 2080 Ti, so we could assume the same for the 6070 against the 4090.
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I actually think the ps6 will be slightly better than this since im not expecting a $499 msrp but a $599 one (and possibly discless at that) so im expecting in between a 6080 and 6090.
 
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Strix Point with 60CUs (54 active) just sounds so good for the PS5 Pro. One can dream.
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one thing I noticed I think it would be better if they left it at 8 cores though the zen 5 is good and put that budget more towards the gpu and memory so (20gb) so its more equal to an 8060 or possibly 8070
 
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one thing I noticed I think it would be better if they left it at 8 cores though the zen 5 is good and put that budget more towards the gpu and memory so (20gb) so its more equal to an 8060 or possibly 8070
In this video, devs wanted 16 cores.
12 cores in the Pro is a nice offset.



Plus the hybrid CPU approach means those 4 Zen 5 cores can be clock extremely high for more performance for PS5 Pro optimized games in the CPU power budget, while the 8 Zen 5c cores can be clocked the same as the PS5 cores.

Not only that.
I think the CPU handles RT BVH management on the PS5. Having Cores dedicated for that can also increase performance with RT enabled.
 
Looking at people trying to argument powerpoint x by pointing at the past seem to have forgotten that we have seen a price increase of 200-300% tier by tier.......
 
I actually think the ps6 will be slightly better than this since im not expecting a $499 msrp but a $599 one (and possibly discless at that) so im expecting in between a 6080 and 6090.
There's exactly 0% chance of that happening. Price isn't the only factor.
 
havent been here in a bit so hi but holy crap im the one who has been saying zen 5 (not zen 4) would be so awesome for the pro I hope these specs are true I really pray id be willing to pay up to $700 for those specs.
The toilet paper you flush after it wipes the shit from your arse is more useful than MLID "leaks".
 
Apparently you know more than us. Could you share more info?
2nm being in mass production by 2026 has already been confirmed by TSMC. PS5 Pro having better RT was leaked by Tom Henderson and a patent by Mark Cerney. A new console being more powerful then a 6 year old GPU is just me extrapolating from 25 years of GPU progression.
 
It will be more powerful. Assuming 2028 launch and 2nm it should beat the 4090, even at ray tracing.

PS5 Pro is apparently going to have significant leaps in AMD RT capabilities and that is out next year.
Plus that special Sony sauce.

I still don't see it having more horsepower than a 4090.
 
In this video, devs wanted 16 cores.
12 cores in the Pro is a nice offset.



Plus the hybrid CPU approach means those 4 Zen 5 cores can be clock extremely high for more performance for PS5 Pro optimized games in the CPU power budget, while the 8 Zen 5c cores can be clocked the same as the PS5 cores.

Not only that.
I think the CPU handles RT BVH management on the PS5. Having Cores dedicated for that can also increase performance with RT enabled.

I just didn't know if it would be really useful since games would still be designed around the ps5 8 cores. But I am the main person who has been saying since late 2021 the biggest issue with the consoles is the cpu so then going all in will be nice it will 100% guarantee 60fps for every game (and 120fps for most) especially with those leaked specs.
 
Anyone ever noticed how most of the threads on this board are about numbers? Sales numbers, subscriber numbers, hardware prices, software prices, release dates, sequel numbers, review scores, clock speeds, teraflops, refresh rates, frame rates, transfer rates, views on trailers...

It's actually pretty rare to have a thread where people just talk about playing the actual games.
Because no one here play any games. We all focus on finding and making up various numbers and statistics to claim win for either team. /s
 
Guys, stop thinking PS5 is equivalent to 6600XT!
PS5 is equivalent to RX 6600/2070...

I know you all are making that comparison based on that literal specs, but running games the 6600XT is stronger...

But PS5 is a console and in some games or elements in games, the optimization make the trick!!!
And sure!
Sony Exclusives made using all those algorithms and Artistic talent, are in another level !
This is not true. Wholistically speaking, PS5 is closer to a 6700 than a 6600XT.... or even a 6600. And is more like a 2070 super than a 2070, mind you the latter performs worse than a 5700xt, which is not as powerful as a PS5.

Yes, these metrics start to get skewered when we start talking about things like RT and DLSS, but from a raw performance metric, and also using AMD GPUs, PS5 is AMD 6700 and Bvidia 2070 super.

Is it possible it can be upgraded to full rdna 4 by release? Also do you think it's possible they delay the pro to 2025?
Possible yes. Needed? No.

Sony is not going to "delay" a PS5pro from a potential 2024 to a 2025 release simply to have a better GPU in there. They just do not need it.

Don't forget what the PS5pro is going to be for. What its designed trio do. It's designed to take your perfectly fine and working PS5 games, that may be doing 1440p internally @30fps and upscaling/reconstructing that to 4K, with PC equivalent settings of RT low, and raster settings ranging from mid-high to running at 1440p reconstructed to 4K at 60fps with RT medium to high settings and raster settings of high where necessary and medium where not.

So the question is this, how much more power over the base PS5 do you need to achieve that?

Hence, expect a PS5pro to be roughly 2x the power of the current PS5, with emphasis on better and more advanced RT, not just with regards to more RT hardware but more advanced RT tech. And stuff like more bandwidth and a better CPU.

I am sure some people would like to knock one off to the powah of the PS5pro....etc, but anything more than what I just described, is simply not needed.
 
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