PSA: Cyberpunk 2077 has sections that can cause Epileptic Seizures

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Cyberpunk 2077 Epileptic PSA

For those excited about Cyberpunk 2077 but are vulnerable to epileptic episodes, here are a few things you need to know.
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How this is acceptable (and even looks intentional) in 2020 is ridiculous and NEEDS to be an optional thing. I don't personally suffer from it but I know alot of people do:

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For what it's worth, this isnt an attack on the game or CDPR, I'm looking forward to it
 
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Every game has an epilepsy warning because every game has flashing images.

Every muzzle flash in an ego shooter can cause an epileptic seizure.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
Don't games nowadays still carry the boilerplate "this game may contain images and flashing that affect those sensitive to images and flashing"?
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I think the issue here is that although it has those warnings, this seems to be a designed mechanic in-game with no option to turn it down or off
 
SCB3 said:
I think the issue here is that although it has those warnings, this seems to be a designed mechanic in-game with no option to turn it down or off
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Yeah, a game about a neon-drenched megacity future has contrasting colors in it. There are also folks, for instance, who become bothered if the videogame has the mechanic of killing dogs with no option to turn it down or off. Not all games are for everyone, and inevitably there will be wild visual effects included in a videogame that surpass the comfort levels of people with sensitivities to wild visual effects.
 
What percentage of the population suffers from seizures caused by flashing lights?
Around 1 in 100 people has epilepsy and of these people, around 3% have photosensitive epilepsy.
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Approximately 0.03% of the world population suffers from this type of epilepsy.


That's 2,340,000 people out of the 7.8 billion people in the world.

I don't mean to sound insensitive but I'm glad they don't always craft games with these people in mind. It should be up to those people to avoid those things and not ignore warnings that are presented to them at the beginning of a game.
 
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sertopico said:
This is the wrong forum, go back to resetera!

I know a lot of people who say bullshit just because they are attention whores, go figure...
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Cmon now. That has nothing to do with Resetera. This is not about the usual gun firing in games, but rather about a sequence that is used IRL to trigger epilepsy for diagnosis by doctors.

It's a good informative article for people suffering from epilepsy.

I wonder if we saw that scene already, I remember a scene at the end of a Cyberpunk trailer which had similar flashing lights.
 
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Dampf said:
Cmon now. That has nothing to do with Resetera.

It's a good informative article for people suffering from epilepsy.

I wonder if we saw that scene already, I remember a scene at the end of Cyberpunk trailer which had that flashling light.
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If you are suffering from photosensitive epilepsy then almost every game out there can trigger it. That is why all the games have the disclaimer that if you are suffering from any illnesses that are triggered by light then you should consult your doctor before playing.
 
It's a dude who experiences seizures and reviewed the game, just giving a general psa on certain areas that might trigger others as well .
 
mcz117chief said:
If you are suffering from photosensitive epilepsy then almost every game out there can trigger it. That is why all the games have the disclaimer that if you are suffering from any illnesses that are triggered by light then you should consult your doctor before playing.
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I edited my post. It's not abot the usual gun firing, but rather about a sequence that is designed to trigger epilepsy.

When "suiting up" for a BD, especially with Judy, V will be given a headset that is meant to onset the instance. The headset fits over both eyes and features a rapid onslaught of white and red blinking LEDs, much like the actual device neurologists use in real life to trigger a seizure when they need to trigger one for diagnosis purposes. If not modeled off of the IRL design, it's a very spot-on coincidence, and because of that this is one aspect that I would personally advise you to avoid altogether.
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MANY games have this.

For a recent example, every time you play AC : Valhalla there is a warning that flashing images can cause seizures in some people.

This is pretty common and normal and isn't the games fault.

P.S. Also, Cyberpunk is TRANSPHOBIC so everyone hate CDPR OK u guyz 😭
 
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DunDunDunpachi said:
Yeah, a game about a neon-drenched megacity future has contrasting colors in it. There are also folks, for instance, who become bothered if the videogame has the mechanic of killing dogs with no option to turn it down or off. Not all games are for everyone, and inevitably there will be wild visual effects included in a videogame that surpass the comfort levels of people with sensitivities to wild visual effects.
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I think there's a difference between a medical condition and a gameplay preference. I hope we're not at the point of arguing that accessibility options are bad.
 
Dampf said:
Cmon now. That has nothing to do with Resetera. This is not about the usual gun firing in games, but rather about a sequence that is used IRL to trigger epilepsy for diagnosis by doctors.

It's a good informative article for people suffering from epilepsy.

I wonder if we saw that scene already, I remember a scene at the end of a Cyberpunk trailer which had similar flashing lights.
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Who said that? Where is the medical source stating that that particular flashing is used by physicians? You really think a developer would induce you a seizure just for fun? Let's please stick to actual infos and not brainless gossip. As already stated, almost every game could induce seizures in subjects who have a predisposition for it, i.e. a medical condition like epilepsy.

What I find most annoying is that now this news is spreading like a cancer all over the internet.
 
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FireFly said:
I think there's a difference between a medical condition and a gameplay preference. I hope we're not at the point of arguing that accessibility options are bad.
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I hope you're not at the point of uncharitably reframing my position instead of coming up with a valid argument. 🤷‍♀️

There will be pieces of media that are designed to push audiovisual boundaries, resulting in a not-zero percent of the population being unable to enjoy it. Twisting it into a "design choice" is misguided, and trying to paint those who are fine with the design choice as "arguing that accessibility options are bad" is equally misguided if not malicious.
 
OP do you work with epileptics in the epileptic ward? How many specifically photosensitive epileptics do you know that would constitute as "alot"?

"About one in 100 people in the U.S. have epilepsy. About 3% to 5% of those people have photosensitive epilepsy.

Children and adolescents ages 7 to 19 are more likely to have photosensitive epilepsy. Girls are affected by the condition more often than boys. But boys tend to have more seizures. That's probably because they spend more time playing video games, a common seizure trigger."

A percentage of a percentage of a percentage. The concern trolling narritive being pushed in reviews and forums is too obvious.
 
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DunDunDunpachi said:
Don't games nowadays still carry the boilerplate "this game may contain images and flashing that affect those sensitive to images and flashing"?
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Some do, some don't and you find those instances throughout the game without warning. I'm not epilectic but even I have to look the other way sometimes. Can only imagine the folks with that condition.

Recent game I played, Sackboy: A big adventure has a few of them.
 
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Noboru Wataya said:
OP do you work with epileptics in the epileptic ward? How many specifically photosensitive epileptics do you know that would constitute as "alot"?
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Here's my post on numbers:
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PSA: Cyberpunk 2077 has sections that can cause Epileptic Seizures

https://www.gameinformer.com/2020/12/07/cyberpunk-2077-epileptic-psa How this is acceptable (and even looks intentional) in 2020 is ridiculous and NEEDS to be an optional thing. I don't personally suffer from it but I know alot of people do: Edit: Added for more clarity on this: For what...
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sertopico said:
You really think a developer would induce you a seizure just for fun?
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Of course I do not think that. It's probably either coincidence (like the author said) or it was really modeled after real life to make it more believable without giving it a second thought.
 
Dampf said:
I edited my post. It's not abot the usual gun firing, but rather about a sequence that is designed to trigger epilepsy.
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I get you bro but really, my response stands. If you are ill, consult with your doctor. Practically all games change light and dark quickly which can trigger epilepsy very easily for most people who suffer from it (the photosensitive one). Even watching TV is hazardous for these people without medication. Cyberpunk having insane flashing lights is something people have to expect.
 
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Codename: Classified said:
Some do, some don't and you find those instances throughout the game without warning. I'm not epilectic but even I have to look the other way sometimes. Can only imagine the folks with that condition.

Recent game I played, Sackboy: A big adventure has a few of them.
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Sometimes when I'm watching a movie or listening to a song, the audio balance causes a sharp rise in perceived volume. This can give me a pain in my ear and I can only imagine how it is for folks with hearing worse than mine and/or specific conditions with aural sensitivity.

Doesn't mean the content needs to be nitpicked on that premise. Controversial statement: the developers are attempting to convey a cyberpunk world where contrasting colors and visual glitches are a part of that world-communication. This means they're going to push visuals in a way that will be "intense", and this is on purpose. That intensity, however, pushes some users out of the experience, and I can personally empathize with that. Doesn't mean it needs to have an option for it.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
Sometimes when I'm watching a movie or listening to a song, the audio balance causes a sharp rise in perceived volume. This can give me a pain in my ear and I can only imagine how it is for folks with hearing worse than mine and/or specific conditions with aural sensitivity.

Doesn't mean the content needs to be nitpicked on that premise. Controversial statement: the developers are attempting to convey a cyberpunk world where contrasting colors and visual glitches are a part of that world-communication. This means they're going to push visuals in a way that will be "intense", and this is on purpose. That intensity, however, pushes some users out of the experience, and I can personally empathize with that. Doesn't mean it needs to have an option for it.
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It doesn't hurt to have options. No one is pointing a gun at CDPR.
 
Codename: Classified said:
It doesn't hurt to have options.
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I don't accept this premise out of hand. It reminds me of a less-serious comparison: "Do FROM software games need a difficulty mode?!" topics.

Codename: Classified said:
No one is pointing a gun at CDPR.
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I agree, it's not a literal case of someone's life being threatened, just like no one is forcing those with epilepsy at gunpoint to engage in a piece of media where intense, flashing visuals is a part of the genre's communication palette.
 
It would be an issue for me because I suffer from photo sensitive epilepsy. I haven't had a grand or petit mal in 20 years though and would like to keep it that way. So I will avoid the game until they provide an option to turn these sequences off. However, I'm not demanding anything from the devs.

By the way, the standard epilepsy disclaimer usually has nothing to do with sequences that trigger episodes or seizures. It simply is a disclaimer, nothing else. I can handle muzzle flashes just fine.
 
FYI This may be absolute Bullshit but lets keep the RE talk constrained to the dedicated threads.
 
DunDunDunpachi said:
I hope you're not at the point of uncharitably reframing my position instead of coming up with a valid argument.

There will be pieces of media that are designed to push audiovisual boundaries, resulting in a not-zero percent of the population being unable to enjoy it. Twisting it into a "design choice" is misguided, and trying to paint those who are fine with the design choice as "arguing that accessibility options are bad" is equally misguided if not malicious.
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I used the word "hope" precisely because I was unclear of what your position was. To me the dog example suggests that adding an option to disable sequences of lights designed to trigger epileptic episodes, would be needless or a waste of resources.

I think there is a middle ground where CDPR are not obligated to add the option, but it would be praiseworthy if they did.
 
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It's sucks for those affected but I doubt every game can cater everyone. Avoid this game like plague if it takes your enjoyment in video game.
 
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Compsiox said:
What percentage of the population suffers from seizures caused by flashing lights?


Approximately 0.03% of the world population suffers from this type of epilepsy.


That's 2,340,000 people out of the 7.8 billion people in the world.

I don't mean to sound insensitive but I'm glad they don't always craft games with these people in mind. It should be up to those people to avoid those things and not ignore warnings that are presented to them at the beginning of a game.
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Well it still seems like shit ton of people, but still when it such a smal percentage, I am surprised that the warning has to be in games. Often with these low percentage groups, it's up to their own responsibility, to not watch shit which can hurt them.
 
FireFly said:
I used the word "hope" precisely because I was unclear of what your position was. To me the dog example suggests that adding an option to disable sequences of lights designed to trigger epileptic episodes, would be needless or a waste of resources.

I think there is a middle ground where CDPR are not obligated to add the option, but it would be praiseworthy if they did.
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Yeah, if they added an option (for this specific reason) it would be nice, but I have a suspicion that the visuals are intended to be a bit off-putting. Visual noise. Kinda hard to tweak something that's supposed to be jarring/disorienting so that it isn't too disorienting. I'm guessing there will be a PC mod pretty quickly, which is the place to be for accessibility options anyway.
 
What is this, eraflake hour? Now you have non epileptic people being woried and staying away on top of that? Wtf is going on, that's not how shit works unless you think you might be an undiagnosed epileptic, in which case, consult your damn doctor, fool.

Games have epilepsy warnings and this dude is purely 100% speculating without verifying that this is the same exact light show intended to cause seizures, just because the device happens to look kinda sorta like those? Personally, I doubt they even cared to research those things, if they know they exist at all, so until otherwise confirmed they're just random "jack in" flashing lights which happened to have that effect on him. He also emphasizes putting on a headset that covers your eyes, what? Dude, you're viewing it on a flat screen/monitor/TV, with your own brightness, your own room lighting and everything, this isn't a VR game or literally forcing you in a headset, it's just colors on a screen, stupid! Good to put the info out for people who don't heed the warnings & play games because they find many don't give them trouble, though they may give others trouble, but come on with spinning it as an insensitive attack on a group, "in 2020", what does that have to do with anything?
 
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It's fair to put out a PSA in a forum in my opinion, but I think it's not going to achieve much.
 
not epileptic but fuck this shit if it really is that bad. if your game makes me nauseous or gives me a headache it can GTF. of course it's even worse if it will put you into a seizure.

there will be warnings yes but doesn't mean it's OK to do it because you basically say "it's your fault. we're not liable". by all means make things flashy/bright etc but don't do it to the point where you risk peoples health. there could even be a setting to tone it down. loads of games have accessibility/health settings. there's stuff for blind/colour blind/deaf/hard of hearing people so why not try help epileptic people too.
 
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M1chl said:
Well it still seems like shit ton of people, but still when it such a smal percentage, I am surprised that the warning has to be in games. Often with these low percentage groups, it's up to their own responsibility, to not watch shit which can hurt them.
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Yeah I read the warning a lot on some Netflix shows. Umbrella Academy most recently.
 
whyman said:
This sounds worse than most games. Might have to stay away.
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i'm a bit concerned even though i'm not epileptic. i hate this shit. i wish there was a video showing it so i could see how bad it is. hopefully someone will upload it soon enough or CDPR disable/tone it down.
 
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