PSA: Cyberpunk 2077 has sections that can cause Epileptic Seizures


How this is acceptable (and even looks intentional) in 2020 is ridiculous and NEEDS to be an optional thing. I don't personally suffer from it but I know alot of people do


For what it's worth, this isnt an attack on the game or CDPR, I'm looking forward to it


Have you seen the series on Netflix: Stranger Things

Yep, I've seen it.


It has scenes that can cause epileptic seizures to those prone to light strobes. Fun fact, Cyberpunk is not the only game or media that can cause this. As long as it's labeled properly, you CAN add peanuts to ice cream
 
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This is absolutely nothing new. Surely there's a standard warning at the beginning of the game.

If there isn't an option to remove such things, maybe it can be added later?

CP:2077 looked like the prime suspect of such a thing with all the lights and all, lol.
 
Gaspar Noé also hates people, it was quite intense experience in the theater.




Gaspar Noé is amazingly talented. Irréversible is a masterclass in camera work & VFX.

Looking forward to watchin Lux.



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This is absolutely nothing new. Surely there's a standard warning at the beginning of the game.

Not in the "review" version at least according to the author:



I imagine the retail version will have the standard screen at the beginning though.

And: the posters above also should really watch CLIMAX by Noé (if you haven't already).
 
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Fun story, a friend of mine was over, we were playing a ton of Guitar Hero(this was 15 years ago) everything played perfectly, but when we turned it off Midnight Meat Train a dark movie with TONS of flashing caused him to have a seizure, his mother lived by so he went to her place after just to be safe, but yea he'd never had one before, plays a ton of games, but that movie did it.
 
What about Trans Epileptics though? If we are not catering every piece of entertainment to that demographic, can we really advance as a society?

/sarcasm for the easily triggered
 

How this is acceptable (and even looks intentional) in 2020 is ridiculous and NEEDS to be an optional thing. I don't personally suffer from it but I know alot of people do


For what it's worth, this isnt an attack on the game or CDPR, I'm looking forward to it
As someone with epilepsy

I can justly say

Yeah, no fucking shit sherlock; you're starting at a screen flashing 30+ pictures in your eyes a second. DUH

This is totally fine and par for the course of living in a technology age with epilepsy lol, and is totally acceptable

What percentage of the population suffers from seizures caused by flashing lights?


Approximately 0.03% of the world population suffers from this type of epilepsy.


That's 2,340,000 people out of the 7.8 billion people in the world.

I don't mean to sound insensitive but I'm glad they don't always craft games with these people in mind. It should be up to those people to avoid those things and not ignore warnings that are presented to them at the beginning of a game.
At times I've been like "NEHHH! THAT WAS WAY TOO MUCH, FUCK YOU GUYS GIVE ME A TOGGLE FOR THAT!"
For single player games, yeah that would be fine

Multiplayer, some of the flashy visuals are apart of the experience (Player becoming distorted, etc)

I just take a break instead of flopping
Who said that? Where is the medical source stating that that particular flashing is used by physicians? You really think a developer would induce you a seizure just for fun? Let's please stick to actual infos and not brainless gossip. As already stated, almost every game could induce seizures in subjects who have a predisposition for it, i.e. a medical condition like epilepsy.

What I find most annoying is that now this news is spreading like a cancer all over the internet.
The author said it was "Like one of them," and not one specifically
Essentially they'll stick a screen in your face and flash between RGB real hardcore and get your brain to "Desync," per say, then that gets you to flop
I get you bro but really, my response stands. If you are ill, consult with your doctor. Practically all games change light and dark quickly which can trigger epilepsy very easily for most people who suffer from it (the photosensitive one). Even watching TV is hazardous for these people without medication. Cyberpunk having insane flashing lights is something people have to expect.
Yeah, it depends on what type of seizure disorder, your meds, other body stuff, etc

People who don't have a seizure disorder typically just get a bad head ache from it

It would be an issue for me because I suffer from photo sensitive epilepsy. I haven't had a grand or petit mal in 20 years though and would like to keep it that way. So I will avoid the game until they provide an option to turn these sequences off. However, I'm not demanding anything from the devs.

By the way, the standard epilepsy disclaimer usually has nothing to do with sequences that trigger episodes or seizures. It simply is a disclaimer, nothing else. I can handle muzzle flashes just fine.
Fuck yeah dude, congrats!
The new meds I'm on got my grands completely away (More normal for me) but even got my petites gone as well. I rarely deal with ataxia now ^_^

Shit, I still go to clubs and stuff with flashing lights; youknow how it is, feeling static-y don't walk yourself to a strobe
or play too long lol

not epileptic but fuck this shit if it really is that bad. if your game makes me nauseous or gives me a headache it can GTF. of course it's even worse if it will put you into a seizure.

there will be warnings yes but doesn't mean it's OK to do it because you basically say "it's your fault. we're not liable". by all means make things flashy/bright etc but don't do it to the point where you risk peoples health. there could even be a setting to tone it down. loads of games have accessibility/health settings. there's stuff for blind/colour blind/deaf/hard of hearing people so why not try help epileptic people too.
We're fine; just don't be the ass hole who sticks a strobe in our face and you won't need to worry about us
We've been fairing just fine playing games for a long while now. Don't really hear us complain too much, unless it's Pokemon Porygon episode of egregious :)
I am epileptic but not photo sensitive. But strobing lights certainly make me feel uncomfortable as hell like I'm playing with fire

Actually seizuring because of a game is nightmare fuel. Its a goddamn ordeal when you go through one. You are wiped out for days and your brain is fried.

Anybody dismissing this is just ignorant and CDPR need to be working on a patch right now
Tell me about it; my grand mals can last for minutes
But I disagree; unless it's stupidly egregious, it'll be fine for most of us floppers out there
Serioues question, do you wear an eyepatch while you game? Not because its a pirate adventure day but because this way you are using far less of your cortex and this massively reduces the chance of seizure outside of... well not playing the content.

its why you can go to any advise on epilepsy and they will always state;

If suddenly exposed to a trigger
  • Covering one eye completely with your hand will greatly reduce the photosensitive effect.

Same deal, just with an eyepatch its constant. Please note this is not a "cure" but if your gaming anyway and not like doing this, you will find this dramatically lowers the risk.
I'm not a medical professional, but I don't see what covering 1 eye would do to stabilize your brain waves while still looking at the thing causing the destabilization. If that were the case, my epileptologist would've told me to get one, though treatment is PURELY dependent on what type of epilepsy you have (Plus, like, if that's all it took, why make meds?)
For instance, my type has one of my big triggers being sleep; if I'm sleep deprived, I'm going to be jerking and having tons of petite seizures through out the day. Screens are typically fine for me, but I have my bad days where staring at screens makes my head throb and I start to get my aura (Signs of an impending grand mal)

As someone w/ epilepsy for ages, & a gamer for longer, I appreciate the warning/article. Would really suck to be neck deep into this game & experience the terror (for me) that a grand mal seizure can bring.

Mine isn't /specifically/ photosensitive, but I avoid concerts, & turn my head from strobes when in media or seen on emergency vehicles. There's only two games (out of thousands) I've stopped playing bc I felt the trigger point was closing in. I'd always planned to be careful when playing Cyberpunk; now I'm more informed, so even better.
To me, it's just kind of expected that games and life in general is going to have seizure inducing moments
You don't sign a disclaimer every time you go to a concert about "Hey, we have flashy lights!" or that they have it posted everywhere that they're going to have flashy lights
 
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Did they write an article warning about Epilepsy for Doom Eternal? Or Age of Calamity? Or any action game really?

Seems rather pointless if most video games these days display a health warning.

Sounds like they had a slow week and needed something to write about.
 
Sorry to be blunt about it but games come with this warning for a reason.
That's the problem, there was no warning and the sequence simulates an actual epilepsy test, which caused the author to seize. I get being skeptical of games media but the article is pretty helpful. CDPR should probably put in the option to remove that effect in an update.
 
I'm not a medical professional, but I don't see what covering 1 eye would do to stabilize your brain waves while still looking at the thing causing the destabilization. If that were the case, my epileptologist would've told me to get one, though treatment is PURELY dependent on what type of epilepsy you have.


You are 100% right, it depends on the type of epilepsy, I should of been more exact as because the issue being talked about would cause photosensitive epileptic seizures, I thought we would be on the same page that this aids in minimising the effects of that type of epilepsy when playing video games.

The logic is pretty simple, if you look at any guide about what to do when someone with photosensitive epilepsy is having an attack, you cover one eye if they are unable to do so themselves, with your palm.

This is because it reduces the amount of signals going to the cortex in the brain, meaning that the area which causes these seizures in photosensitive epileptic has less information traveling to it. As such wearing an eye patch heavily reduces the chance of spikes and therefore an attack from happening in the first place alongside also looking quite fetching.
 
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That's the problem, there was no warning and the sequence simulates an actual epilepsy test, which caused the author to seize. I get being skeptical of games media but the article is pretty helpful. CDPR should probably put in the option to remove that effect in an update.

So the game doesn't open with an epilepsy warning?

If so patching in a splash screen shouldn't be too difficult to do.
 
So the game doesn't open with an epilepsy warning?

If so patching in a splash screen shouldn't be too difficult to do.
Not in the "review" version at least according to the author:



I imagine the retail version will have the standard screen at the beginning though.

And: the posters above also should really watch CLIMAX by Noé (if you haven't already).


pretty sure they'll patch in a warning screen. Otherwise it'll be lawsuit hell for them.
 
You are 100% right, it depends on the type of epilepsy, I should of been more exact as because the issue being talked about would cause photosensitive epileptic seizures, I thought we would be on the same page that this aids in minimising the effects of that type of epilepsy when playing video games.

The logic is pretty simple, if you look at any guide about what to do when someone with photosensitive epilepsy is having an attack, you cover one eye if they are unable to do so themselves, with your palm.

This is because it reduces the amount of signals going to the cortex in the brain, meaning that the area which causes these seizures in photosensitive epileptic has less information traveling to it. As such wearing an eye patch heavily reduces the chance of spikes and therefore an attack from happening in the first place alongside also looking quite fetching.
Yeah that's what I was thinking is that it stopped the flow towards lobes
I've just never heard it and I've mentioned to my doc a few times about being photosensitive

Maybe the purely photosensitive floppers out there, that's enough to calm them out
That's fucking wild and wicked interesting
 
No reason to change the game for everyone, but a simple toggle in the menus would be nice to see. SteamWorld Dig 2 did this, as you can see from the disclaimer in the video below, and they're obviously a much smaller development team. The more people who can enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 the better.

 
They warn people and that's good enough. Everything can't be made for everyone in the entire world. Therefore if you suffer from that affliction, read the warning and choose to continue on then you take personal responsibility. I don't mean to sound cold but if we have a checklist for everything that must be included in every game, movie, etc. then art is officially dead. I'm sure we all have something we wish we could partake in but for some reason or another it's out of reach. Such is life.
 
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When I was a kid I would sometimes fear having seizures playing NES games because that warning was absolutely everywhere. Since it was everywhere I assumed that it was super common to have seizures while playing games.

Learned the truth not too long after but yeah I just assume that nearly every video game runs this risk?
 
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That lights?


There are worse things in Valhalla and Control.

Switched it off almost immediately. Looks like an EEG. I get that alot of people don't understand the severity of this but a seizure can be dangerous. It is different from games like Doom Eternal, it has more to do with the frequency of the strobing light. That specific frequency will trigger a seizure while anything faster or slower will not do anything.
 


Very glad to see that. We're talking about a company who took criticism of the "heavy" movement in The Witcher 3, and made a fully optional movement style that dramatically changed the feel of the game, while leaving the original movement in the game and letting fans decide which they preferred. With that in mind, I had little doubt that they would leave something like this in the game without making it an option, but it's nice to see confirmation so quickly.
 
Couldn't there be some system wide setting for these things these days? I mean (maybe) there could be some "strobe" detector that smooth them out (a bit like on the NES/SNES mini have if I remember well).
 
I for one don't want a seizure, so i hope they fix it

Edit: from what they say it seems a lot more specific and dangerous than usual scenes in games with some flashing lights
 
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They really should've thought of putting an epilepsy warning before the game start as a lot of games with flashing lights and general neon lighting/strobing do just for safety.
This is a silly oversight on their part and epilepsy is not cool so I hope it gets resolved soon.

Then again if you're epileptic and are looking at Cyberpunk 2077... I mean you should know the risks straight from the screenshots and the fact that there are guns, lazer swords and grenades - that alone can cause an attack.
 
Happy to see CDPR has acknowledged the issue and is working on a solution. If it is simple enough to implement, it would be nice to see photosensitive toggles for all games featuring moderate (or greater) seizure triggers.
 
That reminds me, did Crystal Dynamics change that terrible camera in Avengers?

I got a lot of nausea while playing the demo, something that never happened to me in any game.
 
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Seems crazy when even a lot tamer and slower games have epilepsy warnings, they decided not to put one in here. I did not play the game but if I was epileptic (I'm not), I'd definitely fear going into such a game: loud clubs, neon lighted lively city, fast-paced shootouts in dark alleys. Hindsight's 20/20 but it's the sort of experience they should have put that message in the game regardless if they've found specific cases. Good on them for acting on it so quick though.
 
They put a pretty clear warning in the user agreement you have to sign prior to playing the game. Yeah yeah, no one reads that. Still, anyone who has this as a medical problem should be pretty carefully screening their games. Scanning or control+Fing the agreement seems like a pretty obvious step if you have a medical problem like this.

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Y'all pussies now look to celebrities to guide your morals and how everyone has to just be nice


THiS iS WWF ATTITUDE era epicness. Y'all can get a fuckin seizure and die #YOLO

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They put a pretty clear warning in the user agreement you have to sign prior to playing the game. Yeah yeah, no one reads that. Still, anyone who has this as a medical problem should be pretty carefully screening their games. Scanning or control+Fing the agreement seems like a pretty obvious step if you have a medical problem like this.

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But we have stuff to outrage over! Do we *have* to read EULAs?!
 
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I'm glad that they're working on the issue. I saw a lot of people getting upset over this news claiming that CDPR was purposefully trying to induce seizures in players. I could understand being upset, but I doubt any video game company is actually trying to kill its customers (beyond financially ruining them).
Gaspar Noé also hates people, it was quite intense experience in the theater.


Speaking of films with intense scenes of flashing imagery, I caught a showing of Tales from the Hood at a theater a few years back. I'm not photosensitive, but that sensory deprivation chamber scene in the "Hard-Core Convert" segment was a bit much even for me.
 
Of course I do not think that. It's probably either coincidence (like the author said) or it was really modeled after real life to make it more believable without giving it a second thought.
In both cases, I think this is just one of those news written to cause some unnecessary sensation and get some of those sweet extra clicks. People who didn't even know what a seizure is are now utterly outraged by this evil software house. They want to make us all sick and steal our money!
 
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