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PSN Hack Update: FAQs in OP, Read before posting
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Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
Dreams-Visions said:
This exactly. There really is no depth to how apologists on Gaf will debase themselves for the sake of their favorite toy company. Bravo for all the repeat performances.
LiquidMetal14
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This guy here, the expert has arrived everyone!ZZMitch said:
The main reason it was hacked was not by Sony's will. You can argue playground and say them guys reap what they sow but it's BS for the customers who get screwed in all this. And that never was their intent.
Kung Fu Grip
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Did he deactivate his account? =PX-Frame said:
What we're talking about is due diligence - whether Sony took reasonable steps to ensure the security of the data it held.
Unless there is compelling evidence to suggest that Sony was aware of its network vulnerabilities and actively disregarded them, there's nothing to suggest Sony was acting improperly.
As long as there is evidence that Sony had a framework for network security in place and functioning, then its failure is an unfortunate one, but ultimately not criminal.
Unless there is compelling evidence to suggest that Sony was aware of its network vulnerabilities and actively disregarded them, there's nothing to suggest Sony was acting improperly.
As long as there is evidence that Sony had a framework for network security in place and functioning, then its failure is an unfortunate one, but ultimately not criminal.
hauton said:
I don't mean criminally, I just think that Sony has let me down as a consumer. I understand that servers get hacked and that no one is safe, but Sony is the only company that has ever lost my personal information so I guess it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
demosthenes
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ZZMitch said:
Statements like this make my head hurt.
Every day so-called top secret information is stolen from various governments by various government and non-government entities.ZZMitch said:
China and USA are engaged in one of the biggest active wars in the world - one that's fought entirely over cyberspace.
It sounds Hollywood, but it's also true.
Bumblebeetuna
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So... has Sony said anything more about potential CC info being taken? I have seen nothing but "doesn't appear to be compromised" from them yet I keep seeing people talk about weird charges on their cards.
Musashi Wins! said:
If there were another company which offered comparable, reliable console technology with a reputation for getting content to that platform, I might be all over it right about now.
As it is my Xbox is dead in the closet, my PS3 is scared to go online, and I haven't touched my Wii in a year.
MustacheBandit_
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NullPointer said:
time to get a new credit card carrier. i have zero worries with mine. doesn't make me naive, I am basing my comfort on experience.
LiquidMetal14
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They did not know the extent. That is why they shut it down instead of creating a panic over something that they did not know yet.JasonMCG said:
demosthenes
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JasonMCG said:
And again, according to them and the security report they had done they didn't know until the day before they told everyone. That's fine to me given the scale of this and having to coordinate all of Sony all over the globe.
Musashi Wins! said:
Really?
I think that a lot of people are not over exaggerating, thinking objectively and don't have an axe to grind with the respective company.
As for the favourite toy company jibe, a lot of people on GAF are here because they like the output from said 'toy' companies.
You do yourself and others down with that crap, you are on a forum where people talk about their favourite games and the latest news about their favourite 'toy' company.
Are you as sad as you implied others were with your post?
NullPointer
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Not a bad idea at all. Thanks.KingOfKong said:
Come at me bro.statham said:
At this point we have no evidence that this due to some sort of negligence. Also, you act as though there is no precedence.
Let me put it this way. If someone stole your car ... and let's assume for a second you aren't a git that left the doors unlocked and keys in the ignition ... should we be calling you out as having fucked up? How about someone breaks into a business and steals shit, and it employed industry standard (or better) security ... did the business fuck up? Again, assuming they didn't forget to activate the security system and lock the doors?
Maybe we should actually wait until there's enough information before blaming those who may be the victim?
People can feel free to bitch about how Sony has handled PR for this, but that's completely unrelated to what you seem to be bitching about.
demosthenes
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Raistlin said:
Because it's so easy to blame them?
I agree with your post 100%
ZZMitch said:
First result for "us government hacked"
http://arstechnica.com/security/new...tary-research-labs-infiltrated-by-hackers.ars
pharmboy044
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bhawahahaha.....keuja said:
LiquidMetal14
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Yes, this is a rational response. Not some pent up nerd rage or just simple irrationality like some exhibit here. I've always felt that Sony was more of a victim and it's going to cost them more than these idiot hackers who try to prove a point.Raistlin said:
People aren't complaining about the car being stolen. They're complaining about having their wallets in plain sight in said car with *them* being stolen. I guess that's the better analogy. It depends on exactly what format the real critical data (credit card numbers) are stored, though. If they were really encrypted, then it's overreaction central.Raistlin said:
Uno Venova
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yeah sony did confirm that the CC info was encrypted.Shaneus said:
ZZMitch said:
There's a well known cyberwar going on with the DoD and, many believe, the Chinese government. Maybe the DoD was successfully hacked, of course they would be coy to reveal that. My main point is that for a network as large as PSN, with tens of millions of possible entry points, ensuring every point is locked down is asking the impossible for anybody. And even if that's so, this may be a case where the hackers were just better than the security.
Certainly. Again my point is we don't know whether they were just yet.Shaneus said:
That said, I'm not sure if the subtlety you bring up is even evident in the OP's comments. It's a bit difficult to ascertain quite what he was raging about. Sounded more like the hack itself is where he's leveling blame on Sony? Admittedly I didn't see his prior posts - this thread is moving pretty damn quickly.
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Ah ... well there you go. Assuming they didn't leave the key in the ignition (decryption method easily found with the data) ... then yeah, I think it is as you said ... overreaction central. At least in terms of blame.
jim-jam bongs
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Oh I agree completely with that. If this thread were about Microsoft and privacy you can bet I'd join the bitching about their billing system.Speevy said:
Ickman3400
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Lord Error said:
Yeah I was guessing that when they flip the switch I'd have to make a mad dash for the website to change my password.
But if they're just going to make it so we have to use the firmware then I'm kind of screwed until I get a new ps3.
This comment is in NO WAY meant to make light or trivialize the troubles of those who may have had their credit cards stolen.
It is a serious question.
If you guys are still doubting that credit card info was taken, even after several users in this topic have said their card was used to buy X and Y, would that mean you're calling those people liars?
I'm confused.
It is a serious question.
If you guys are still doubting that credit card info was taken, even after several users in this topic have said their card was used to buy X and Y, would that mean you're calling those people liars?
I'm confused.
Along the same lines, it's also very possible that no one is trying to 'prove a point' and just wanted to do it for fun or to actually steal the info for the ability to sell it.LiquidMetal14 said:
And since Sony is stating that they're not bringing PSN back up until they feel the issues are resolved, you can sure bet that groups or individuals will be trying to break in to give put it to the test.
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