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[Tobor]

What do you say to the two thirds of consumers who still insist on buying physical media for their music, Tobor? Do you tell them that they are ALL wrong?



I want HDDs in my mp3 players because SSDDs can't yet do what I went them to do (be a high enough capacity to meet my needs at a cheap enough price to be affordable.) That's just a personal prefference, though, not an observation on the market as a whole. In terms of DD versus hard copies, well, the numbers show that people still like hard copies, for the time being. Yes, this is trending towards a change, but catering towards that change prematurely would result in a loss of business.

I already shot down your shoddy media argument in the last thread, complete with a link to some proper data. You should check it out. Seeing an argument made with relevant facts might be enlightening for you.

Evander you are trying REALLY hard. :lol

The new PSP is 50% smaller, sexier, probably looks better (smaller screen), 16GB internal flash, etc. People are going to buy it. You'll save a lot of breath if you don't try to interrogate them all individually.

That's his whole issue. If a product doesn't interest him, he assumes it doesn't interest anybody.

 

[Binabik15]

Only reason I would get this is SIZE.
I don't take my PSP anywhere because it's just too long.

I have my Micro in my pocket right now, and with a jacket, I'll carry around my DSi.

Is that a Micro in your pocket or aren´t you happy to see me :/

I agree with you, I carry my PSP around in my backpack sometimes, but I could never get it in my pocket (hey, I´m not that tall, I have small trousers). And having a non CFW PSP, lugging around those UMDs is a pain.

Maybe I can get my dad to buy one as a picture viewe and swap it for my PSP 2000 without him noticing. :lol Or my uncle could buy one on a business trip to the US, 175 euro instead of 250 sounds much better.

 

[Tobor]

Is that a Micro in your pocket or aren´t you happy to see me :/

I agree with you, I carry my PSP around in my backpack sometimes, but I could never get it in my pocket (hey, I´m not that tall, I have small trousers). And having a non CFW PSP, lugging around those UMDs is a pain.

Maybe I can get my dad to buy one as a picture viewe and swap it for my PSP 2000 without him noticing. :lol Or my uncle could buy one on a business trip to the US, 175 euro instead of 250 sounds much better.

Exactly, the old PSP's are just too large. That's why removing the UMD drive was so important, you can't reduce the form factor without losing it.

 

[AwRy108]

Which people have been buying all of these UMDs? Outside of people on GAF, I can't think of any. Hell, I own a PSP, and I have one single UMD: Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles. PSP software sales are disgustingly low.

You guys can hate on this thing all you want, but there are plenty of people in this thread that are all over the Go, and just about everyone at E3 who's actually gone hands-on with it has serious gadget lust over the device. I'm really trying to figure out exactly why you're all so offended by this... if you think the PSP-3000 is a better machine, stick with that. Or go out and buy one, if you were waiting to see what the Go offered.

Are you pissed because you secretly want one and it's so "expensive"? I can't tell, because the arguments seem to be about how shitty the Go is, but they're all stained with anger and tears.

PS - I love how many people know for a fact this isn't going to sell well. Since you've gone that far into the future, please PM me Final Fantasy XIV beta details, and TGS 09 info. Thanks in advance.

While I agree with all your points, I think Jack Random makes a good overall point from the side of being a consumer. I've had the PSP since practically day one, and have over 30 UMD-based games that I legitimately don't want to lose access to if I become a Go user (yeah, I'll keep my PSP-3K; but who wants to carry 2 different PSP's around?). It would've been very, VERY smart of SONY to have some sort of UMD trade-in plan to announce during their conference.

On top of this, simply adding some internal memory doesn't justify pricing the device almost $100 more, especially considering how long the hardware has been around for.

I'm a huge PSP advocate, but the fact that this latest hardware revision completely nixes backwards compatibility in the same damned hardware cycle is not the brightest strategy, at least not without having a back-up plan for all our UMD's.

 

[Christopher]

I like it looks very sleek.

 

[fatigues_gasolini]

What do you say to the two thirds of consumers who still insist on buying physical media for their music, Tobor? Do you tell them that they are ALL wrong?

I want HDDs in my mp3 players because SSDDs can't yet do what I went them to do (be a high enough capacity to meet my needs at a cheap enough price to be affordable.) That's just a personal prefference, though, not an observation on the market as a whole. In terms of DD versus hard copies, well, the numbers show that people still like hard copies, for the time being. Yes, this is trending towards a change, but catering towards that change prematurely would result in a loss of business.

You seem to already have a psp, and are happy with it. You say the Go is so expensive, and crappy and etc. Ok, then dont buy it. No one is forcing you to do it. End of story. Why you seem to care so much about it is mind boggling.

I'm a huge PSP advocate, but the fact that this latest hardware revision completely nixes backwards compatibility in the same damned hardware cycle is not the brightest strategy, at least not without having a back-up plan for all our UMD's.

Has there been official word on this yet? No UMD transferring?

 

[gutter_trash]

I will jump on PSP Go on 1 major conditions
-if 75% - 80% of Year 1 and Year 2 games are readily available for download by winter

I understand that sports franchises have no point of redistributing early years iterations
but I rather have Lumines 1 than Lumines 2

 

[Gamecocks625]

I will jump on PSP Go on 1 major conditions
-if 75% - 80% of Year 1 and Year 2 games are readily available for download by winter

I understand that sports franchises have no point of redistributing early years iterations
but I rather have Lumines 1 than Lumines 2

I'm getting a white Go, but yeah I'm with you. I'd love to see Lumines II, Hot Shots Golf Open Tee 2, and Scrabble on PSN.

 

[AwRy108]

Originally Posted by AwRy108:
I'm a huge PSP advocate, but the fact that this latest hardware revision completely nixes backwards compatibility in the same damned hardware cycle is not the brightest strategy, at least not without having a back-up plan for all our UMD's.​

Has there been official word on this yet? No UMD transferring?

Nope. There's been some rumors of a mail-in program in which you mail your UMD's to Sony and then they provide you with a download code that links the UMD to your PSN account. Not a bad deal if true.

 

[Tobor]

Nope. There's been some rumors of a mail-in program in which you mail your UMD's to Sony and then they provide you with a download code that links the UMD to your PSN account. Not a bad deal if true.

Still seems unlikely, unfortunately, but it would be a nice touch.

 

[AwRy108]

Something else I haven't seen people discuss yet: between downloading and installing, it took me over 30 minutes to get FFVII off of the PSN Store. Isn't this kind of unacceptable for a portable device, especially if the PSP Go relies on this same method for all full-retail PSP titles that clock in at around the size of a UMD?

The download times I can handle, but the install is forced immediately when the download finishes, and you lose all access to the device during this time, and it takes for-freeking-ever.

 

[Arpharmd B]

So, for 80$ less I can have a PSP with a bigger screen and a UMD drive. Ooooook.

Well, I'm all for this blunder simply because it might mean a PSP price drop and I've been waiting to get one forever.

 

[Tobor]

Something else I haven't seen people discuss yet: between downloading and installing, it took me over 30 minutes to get FFVII off of the PSN Store. Isn't this kind of unacceptable for a portable device, especially if the PSP Go relies on this same method for all full-retail PSP titles that clock in at around the size of a UMD?

The download times I can handle, but the install is forced immediately when the download finishes, and you lose all access to the device during this time, and it takes for-freeking-ever.

Well, the internal memory could theoretically be faster than the Memory stick in the old units. There could also be tweaks to the install process in the Go firmware.

 

[Gamecocks625]

any infos about the battery life?

I haven't seen anything yet. I'm surprised no one has asked any Sony reps at E3.

 

[Yes Boss!]

So, for 80$ less I can have a PSP with a bigger screen and a UMD drive. Ooooook.

Well, I'm all for this blunder simply because it might mean a PSP price drop and I've been waiting to get one forever.

Clearly the system is not for you then. I don't know why folks find this so hard to see. You don't value a smaller screen, form factor, and lack of drive where others find this and advantage they are willing to pay a premium for.

 

[Arpharmd B]

Something else I haven't seen people discuss yet: between downloading and installing, it took me over 30 minutes to get FFVII off of the PSN Store. Isn't this kind of unacceptable for a portable device, especially if the PSP Go relies on this same method for all full-retail PSP titles that clock in at around the size of a UMD?

The download times I can handle, but the install is forced immediately when the download finishes, and you lose all access to the device during this time, and it takes for-freeking-ever.

I can see the mass market loving this.

I can also picture the retail confusion this holiday. I also see people buying PSP games for this, causing more commotion, I also see this going mostly ignored over the holiday for the cheaper, UMD PSP.

Honestly, I have the feeling this is going to be a failure of Sega 32X/Nintendo Virtual Boy proportions. It

 

[kaching]

Except that it is completely unnecessary.

Your objections on this are pedantic. Whether it turns out as you say, it's not replacing the existing model so who does it hurt exactly to have the option? Most successful product lines diversify to cater to a wider range of tastes/preferences over time.

 

[Cruzader]

I can see the mass market loving this.

I can also picture the retail confusion this holiday. I also see people buying PSP games for this, causing more commotion, I also see this going mostly ignored over the holiday for the cheaper, UMD PSP.

Honestly, I have the feeling this is going to be a failure of Sega 32X/Nintendo Virtual Boy proportions. It

You know b4 PS3 came out(and soon after), Blu-ray was said to be the next betamax....how'd that turn out?

 

[Yes Boss!]

I'm a huge PSP advocate, but the fact that this latest hardware revision completely nixes backwards compatibility in the same damned hardware cycle is not the brightest strategy, at least not without having a back-up plan for all our UMD's.

Well, they need to do something...PSP sells shit software. This is a hopeful rebirth for their system. It has been out for five years. Honestly, I don't think they really caring about legacy users for this model.

 

[VanMardigan]

Clearly the system is not for you then. I don't know why folks find this so hard to see. You don't value a smaller screen, form factor, and lack of drive where others find this and advantage they are willing to pay a premium for.

I think Sony is keeping the previous gen PsP's around because they realize a great many people won't see the value of paying $80 for that.

 

[RuneFactoryFanboy]

You can carry your entire catalog just as easily with a 3000.

No argument there. It's a little sad that it took a DD-only unit to finally kick SCEA in the pants to do it, but yes older models will benifit from this. Only point I'd raise is that the onboard 16GB helps becuase 16GB Mem Sticks are still pricey, but then agian so is the Go! so I imagine it evens out in that regard.

And, let's be honest, the Go! looks at much like a kids toy as any other PSP model. The "toy" perception isn't because of looks, it's because people actually see kids playing with them. When some one's exposure to a device is that primarily kids use it, then they are going to view it as a "toy", regardless of design.

I disagree. I think the current PSP with its open face D-Pad + Buttons is indistinguishly a videogame handheld in apperance. Related story, at my work the president of the company saw my 3000 sitting on my desk and I was told "not to bring games into the office anymore" even though he makes no comment about the numerous employees plugging away on their iPods and phones during lunch.

However the Go!, thanks to its slide design, I think looks like an iPod or Phone when closed. When open and with somebodies fingers resting on the controls, I would be hard pressed to tell if it wasn't a sliding phone. I think its descrete-ness also helps it stray further away from the "big kiddie toy" image than the original design

As far as the value of size to some one who travels, what kind of traveling do you do where you don't have some kind of bag or briefcase with you?

I work in IT in an office and go to school at night. I don't have the need (nor desire) to carry any sort of bag/briefcase with me and generally like to travel light. Meaning my travel gadgets sit in my pockets. While I can fit my 3000 in my pocket, it sticks out and feels like a brick. Going up stairs and sitting down it becomes especially bothersome. I am away from home 14+ hours every day and I simply don't take it with me because I don't want to lug the big thing in my pocket that long.

Most of the arguments I have been seeing so far against this thing are from the perspective of Functionality>Anything Else. I fully understand that and there is nothing wrong with that viewpoint. My only problem is members behaving like that viewpoint is the only correct one by making statements such as "no reason whatsoever to get this over a 3000" ect ect

It reminds me a lot of when the Game Boy Micro was annouced. Smaller screen, less functionality, same price as the SP and I heard the exact same arguments agianst it. Yet the GBMicro is my favorite handheld (hardware wise) and definitley my most played due to its size/weight. I don't think twice about popping that little guy in my pocket.

 

[Kai Dracon]

You know b4 PS3 came out(and soon after), Blu-ray was said to be the next betamax....how'd that turn out?

You know, b4 PS3 came out (and soon after), PS3 was said to be the next PS2....how'd that turn out?

(Juuuuudooooo CHOP!)

 

[DaBargainHunta]

Related story, at my work the president of the company saw my 3000 sitting on my desk and I was told "not to bring games into the office anymore" even though he makes no comment about the numerous employees plugging away on their iPods and phones during lunch.

Your company president is a piece of shit and deserves to be mauled.

 

[Arpharmd B]

You know b4 PS3 came out(and soon after), Blu-ray was said to be the next betamax....how'd that turn out?

Awesome.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

I guess this would be the place to ask.

These memory sticks are the ones compatible with PSP Go right?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WPF5FS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001I5F452/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Just making sure. Want the 16GB but its kinda high and no reviews on it so I may go with the 8GB...lol if I buy it now I wont have any use for it till October :lol

But may aswell prepare for it. This is the best PSP for me atleast. Can't wait!

 

[ShinoguTakeruKoeru]

I guess this would be the place to ask.

These memory sticks are the ones compatible with PSP Go right?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WPF5FS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001I5F452/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Just making sure. Want the 16GB but its kinda high and no reviews on it so I may go with the 8GB...lol if I buy it now I wont have any use for it till October :lol

But may aswell prepare for it. This is the best PSP for me atleast. Can't wait!

That is the one, yes.

 

[Yes Boss!]

I guess this would be the place to ask.
But may aswell prepare for it. This is the best PSP for me atleast. Can't wait!

But you might want to wait until august till ordering memory...it is just going to drop in price by then.

 

[LowParry]

I'll buy me one next year around tax returns.

 

[gutter_trash]

the size and space isse in your back pack is mostly true during awkward moments of ejecting the UMD, fiddling in your bag and inserting the next UMD

airplanes, commuting, waiting rooms, I usually fidget from one game to another depending on the environment the Go's size plus huge internal storage space will be a big help for lazy people like me

 

[Tobor]

But you might want to wait until august till ordering memory...it is just going to drop in price by then.

I'm not going to order a memory stick at all. Since I'm not going to put anything but games on mine, I won't need more than the 16GB for a while.

 

[Yes Boss!]

I'm not going to order a memory stick at all. Since I'm not going to put anything but games on mine, I won't need more than the 16GB for a while.

Yeah, the internal is ample for me. Even Gran Turismo won't be much more than the size of a UMD.

 

[WiiRevolution1]

That is the one, yes.

But you might want to wait until august till ordering memory...it is just going to drop in price by then.

K. Thanks. Might wait. Not sure yet.

 

[BeEatNU]

You know, b4 PS3 came out (and soon after), PS3 was said to be the next PS2....how'd that turn out?

(Juuuuudooooo CHOP!)

:|

 

[Cruzader]

You know, b4 PS3 came out (and soon after), PS3 was said to be the next PS2....how'd that turn out?

(Juuuuudooooo CHOP!)

Im not gonna get into a fucking PS3 argument in a PSPgo thread. Point being PSPgo will not be "a failure" such as Virtual Boy. In that were the case, PS3 would already be dead and Sony would of announced PS4 by now.

 

[Tellaerin]

You guys can hate on this thing all you want, but there are plenty of people in this thread that are all over the Go, and just about everyone at E3 who's actually gone hands-on with it has serious gadget lust over the device. I'm really trying to figure out exactly why you're all so offended by this... if you think the PSP-3000 is a better machine, stick with that. Or go out and buy one, if you were waiting to see what the Go offered.

Are you pissed because you secretly want one and it's so "expensive"? I can't tell, because the arguments seem to be about how shitty the Go is, but they're all stained with anger and tears.

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind about why you think people are offended. Speaking for myself, I just don't like the idea of a company - any company - demanding inflated prices for electronics based on marketing buzz (like calling it a 'premium product') or styling inconsequentials rather than what's under the hood. I feel the more a company sees they can get away with it, the more they'll do it. Apple's made it an institution.

$250's not too much for a handheld device, but it's too much for this handheld device. When you compare the Go! to the 3000, what's going into the Go! doesn't warrant a higher price. Of course it's smaller than the 3000. Pulling the UMD drive out is going to do that. Sure, it adds 16 GB of memory, but I suspect eliminating that drive more than offsets that particular cost. The only difference between the PSP Go! and console hardware revisions like the PSOne and PSTwo is that those were actually cheaper than the originals, and retained all their functionality. The Go! is the opposite. It does less than a regular PSP, but they're trying to sell it for more. 'Look! It's so small and pretty now! It's a Premium Product! Surely it's worth even more of your money now, isn't it?'

Call it the Sony Tax.

Some people here seem to have seen through the BS, to their credit. But there are still enough people here excited about buying this thing at the current price to make me worry about the future. Are we going to see Sony go the Apple route with their games line, demanding more money not for what's inside, but because the cases are pretty? Ugh.

 

[gutter_trash]

the 16GB internal storage is good enough to justify the price dif with the 3000.... but that is just me

 

[ConsumerSquare]

I'm guessing this thing won't use Memory Stick Duos, right? M2 only?

 

[BeEatNU]

the 16GB internal storage is good enough to justify the price dif with the 3000.... but that is just me

you and I both.

I can actually use my Stereo Bluetooth headphones now lol.

I was waiting for my fucking iphone to do it but 3.0 isn't out yet

 

[Tobor]

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind about why you think people are offended. Speaking for myself, I just don't like the idea of a company - any company - demanding inflated prices for electronics based on marketing buzz (like calling it a 'premium product') or styling inconsequentials rather than what's under the hood. I feel the more a company sees they can get away with it, the more they'll do it. Apple's made it an institution.

$250's not too much for a handheld device, but it's too much for this handheld device. When you compare the Go! to the 3000, what's going into the Go! doesn't warrant a higher price. Of course it's smaller than the 3000. Pulling the UMD drive out is going to do that. Sure, it adds 16 GB of memory, but I suspect eliminating that drive more than offsets that particular cost. The only difference between the PSP Go! and console hardware revisions like the PSOne and PSTwo is that those were actually cheaper than the originals, and retained all their functionality. The Go! is the opposite. It does less than a regular PSP, but they're trying to sell it for more. 'Look! It's so small and pretty now! It's a Premium Product! Surely it's worth even more of your money now, isn't it?'

Call it the Sony Tax.

Some people here seem to have seen through the BS, to their credit. But there are still enough people here excited about buying this thing at the current price to make me worry about the future. Are we going to see Sony go the Apple route with their games line, demanding more money not for what's inside, but because the cases are pretty? Ugh.

Like a lot of people in this thread, you seem to be caught up on what the Go is "worth", which is of course subjective. You disclaim size as not being of value, but to most of us who are want the Go, the physical size of the handheld is a value added feature.

It's "worth" a premium to some of us to have a smaller handheld. That's not BS, it's a design change that you may or may not feel is worthwhile.

the 16GB internal storage is good enough to justify the price dif with the 3000.... but that is just me

This as well.

 

[Cruzader]

you and I both.

I can actually use my Stereo Bluetooth headphones now lol.

I was waiting for my fucking iphone to do it but 3.0 isn't out yet

Well enjoy your Sony tax as Sony are the only ones who do it! MS would never charge too much for their proprietary stuff and Nintendo wouldnt keep hashing old tech and raising the price. You guys are clearly fanboys!

:rollseyes:

 

[Falch]

Any vids of the PSP Go from the showfloor yet?

 

[CoilShot]

Does the PSP Go have TV Out like the PSP 2000 and 3000?

 

[gutter_trash]

if people only knew how much I payed for a 1 GB memory stick when the 1000 launched back in those days....

people today are just insane complainers when it comes to price when they do not appreciate such things as internal 16GB

 

[CoilShot]

Any vids of the PSP Go from the showfloor yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21_yiAjvdA

 

[Tobor]

Any vids of the PSP Go from the showfloor yet?

This just popped up from Stephen Totilo's Twitter:

http://kotaku.com/5277695/watch-the-psp-go-sliding-in-action

 

[hateradio]

nvm bottom post

 

[Cruzader]

Does the PSP Go have TV Out like the PSP 2000 and 3000?

Based on peripherals, yes:

http://www.us.playstation.com/PSP/Systems/pspgo.html

 

[Falch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21_yiAjvdA

Thx.

I'm warming up to the design, looks slick.

 

[sKwah]

Any word on the durability of this thing? One thing great about my ipod touch is that I can literally throw it into my backpack and not worry about the screen getting scratched up. While if I handled my psp in the same way I would have to worry about the screen getting scratched pretty badly, or the plastic cracking etc - it just feels cheap. So unless the PSP Go feels very durable, like something that can just be tossed into a backpack I'm not sure I really care about the portability and I'd feel better off keeping my 3000. I'm hoping at $250 they can match the build quality of an ipod touch.

 

[Yes Boss!]

This just popped up from Stephen Totilo's Twitter:

http://kotaku.com/5277695/watch-the-psp-go-sliding-in-action

Shit that is sexy. Smaller screen is going to mean a more brilliant screen. I pre-ordered a black from Amazon but I'm just waiting for the white to go up and I'll probably switch.

I would like to hear build about build quality if anybody has touched it. I'm hoping for something classier than the 2K and 3K and more akin the launch PSP with metal touches.