Honestly by the end of the game, maybe about 1/10 of my time rush uses were for melee. The rest were to get a better position/angle or sometimes run away/hide from the enemy to regain health. As for those enemies with the chronon shield, they won't always have it active, what I do for those moments is time rush or go directly into a timestop as soon as they bring down their shields and unload a bunch of clips into the time bubble. Two timestop's worth usually bring those bullet sponge guys down.
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Alx
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Just finished the game, hard mode all the way through. Very interesting experience, now to test a few variations ; from what I understood from the "time knife" script reading video, the choices can be inter-dependent, so you could have up to 16 different variations of the story ?
Btw plot spoiler :
Btw plot spoiler :
Paul Serene was right.
Samurai G0SU
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I didn't melee a single enemy in the boss fight when I beat it.
That sounds dangerous, haha.
Holy crap, 80+ hours. Thought my 24+ was a lot.
Ricky Ricardo
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Completed this on PC last week. I love the art direction of this game so much, just wish it wasn't so short. I think I finished it in two or three sittings. Love the idea of weaving in a cinematic game with an actual TV show to break up chapters. The sci-fi concept sure ain't gonna dethrone The Matrix any time soon (a college student genius invents a time machine in 1999 all on his own...such a genius that he doesn't realize how much a time machine could fuck shit up in reality. Seems legit) and the idea of "fracturing" time never made sense to me and seemed like that concept was just an excuse to use the glorious time-manipulation powers, but I was really invested in the characters in both the show and game. I can't believe they got two prominent actors from the wire and one from Lost to star in a legit entertaining TV show. Not all the characters were interesting, but the central ones were, especially Charlie who you hate at the beginning but have more complicated feelings towards as the show continues.
I hope more games attempt a presentation like this. Imagine how cool it would be if the next Alan Wake were structured like QB, or the next Naughty Dog franchise or Mortal Kombat or Hideo Kojima game. And games with a focus on multiplayer, like Battlefield and COD could have new life breathed into their campaigns instead of cutting them out completely. Ideally the writing and overall concept would be more engaging than QB's, but the live action show segments really made me care about the characters in a way I didn't expect.
I hope more games attempt a presentation like this. Imagine how cool it would be if the next Alan Wake were structured like QB, or the next Naughty Dog franchise or Mortal Kombat or Hideo Kojima game. And games with a focus on multiplayer, like Battlefield and COD could have new life breathed into their campaigns instead of cutting them out completely. Ideally the writing and overall concept would be more engaging than QB's, but the live action show segments really made me care about the characters in a way I didn't expect.
Samurai G0SU
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not until jack goes back in time and saves her. /kappa. You ready for this sunday tho!?!?!?
Well the boss won't use the time bomb until the entire wave of enemies is cleared, so as long as you're pacing out your time rush to use it when there's at least a few enemies still left, you should be good. When you're down to just one enemy left in the wave, I would be very conservative with using time rush since you're going to need it for the time bomb.
One major caveat with using melee in that final boss battle is if you get into an unlucky situation where you're locked into the melee finishing animation while one of those red mini-bombs goes off at the same exact time and you're standing right on top of it, you will get one hit killed. This happened to me at least twice.
Sometimes you can use it to your advantage as enemies caught in those red mini-bombs can potentially get OHK as well, but I wasn't able to figure out a way to lure them into those sites without taking damage myself. What makes it a bad boss battle to me is it seems avoiding one hit kill encounters comes down more to luck than exhibiting any skill.
lol, me? I would imagine that includes paused time.
So I watched the live stream of Angry Joe "playing" the game and just as I thought. They were literally making up some things to attack and complain about.
There's a section where they complain and fuss and bash the game for invisible walls and being forced to use certain powers. It's a "puzzle", the simplest in the game. I just went to that spot and went right through the spot with completely different powers on my first, second, and a fancy 3rd try.
Figures.
Them smacking into a fence and screwing up the timing and taking 5 tries to figure out an elementary puzzle is hilarious.
That's a lot of pause time, haha.
There's a section where they complain and fuss and bash the game for invisible walls and being forced to use certain powers. It's a "puzzle", the simplest in the game. I just went to that spot and went right through the spot with completely different powers on my first, second, and a fancy 3rd try.
Figures.
Them smacking into a fence and screwing up the timing and taking 5 tries to figure out an elementary puzzle is hilarious.
That's a lot of pause time, haha.
Second play through (still on hard) has definitely been less enjoyable for me, mostly because I've forced myself to no longer use the Carbine Rifle, and instead experiment with a more diverse range of weapons which has forced me to bring myself in closer, inadvertently showing up more of the mobility flaws.
Against the medium heavies, the starting pistol I find is still more effective than most other weapons, especially at any sort of range. The assault rifles and SMG's have too much recoil and are weaker at even medium range, even if coupled with a time stop. Comparatively with the pistol a chain of well timed headshots against the bigger brutes, is often far more effective.
Also whilst the shotgun is super effective against regular grunts, against the medium heavies it becomes a liability, especially if your time shield runs out or you're not directly aiming at their backpack. They will riddle you with bullets as you run away, even if time running/dashing, and if you get stuck behind a random object, things can go South fairly quickly.
Expanding on that, I think the thing that really prevents the combat from being truly special, is the mobility, collision and animation redundancies. Jack is just not nimble enough, and the animations and collision avoidance simply can't keep up with the momentum of the combat. The game desperately needs some of the fluidity from games like Uncharted, Gears, Assassin's Creed etc, where you can easily hop or slide over walls, obstacles etc mid run, without it slowing your flow as much, or things feeling cumbersome and cluttered. I think I've got stuck in front of things like walls, cars, boxes, and other random objects, more times in QB, than with any third person shooter I've played in recent years, which given that the powers promote mobility and open combat, shouldn't be the case.
If with QB2 Remedy can add in hip fire, better cover systems, blind fire and above all, more fluid animations, an improved camera and better character object avoidance, I think the combat would be elevated to a whole new level, more so because the foundation is already excellent and highly satisfying despite these drawbacks.
Also, on top of some sort of Horde or Survival type mode, I think the game needs a harder difficulty. Hard isn't quite hard enough, especially as the hardest setting in the game.
Against the medium heavies, the starting pistol I find is still more effective than most other weapons, especially at any sort of range. The assault rifles and SMG's have too much recoil and are weaker at even medium range, even if coupled with a time stop. Comparatively with the pistol a chain of well timed headshots against the bigger brutes, is often far more effective.
Also whilst the shotgun is super effective against regular grunts, against the medium heavies it becomes a liability, especially if your time shield runs out or you're not directly aiming at their backpack. They will riddle you with bullets as you run away, even if time running/dashing, and if you get stuck behind a random object, things can go South fairly quickly.
Expanding on that, I think the thing that really prevents the combat from being truly special, is the mobility, collision and animation redundancies. Jack is just not nimble enough, and the animations and collision avoidance simply can't keep up with the momentum of the combat. The game desperately needs some of the fluidity from games like Uncharted, Gears, Assassin's Creed etc, where you can easily hop or slide over walls, obstacles etc mid run, without it slowing your flow as much, or things feeling cumbersome and cluttered. I think I've got stuck in front of things like walls, cars, boxes, and other random objects, more times in QB, than with any third person shooter I've played in recent years, which given that the powers promote mobility and open combat, shouldn't be the case.
If with QB2 Remedy can add in hip fire, better cover systems, blind fire and above all, more fluid animations, an improved camera and better character object avoidance, I think the combat would be elevated to a whole new level, more so because the foundation is already excellent and highly satisfying despite these drawbacks.
Also, on top of some sort of Horde or Survival type mode, I think the game needs a harder difficulty. Hard isn't quite hard enough, especially as the hardest setting in the game.
I second this. Needs an extra mode and a NG+
Also, I don't like the "heavy" handgun. It sucks on Hard, lol. The default or rapid fire are excellent though.
Steverulez
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They don't need a better cover system, it should be there to generate health and provide basic cover, they shouldn't be expanding on it. Hip fire would help for the shotgun.
Agree on Horde/Survival, and a harder difficulty but harder difficulty only if they fix the boss fight
I would personally prefer a better cover system with more of the basics. If it existed, I'd still generously use my time powers and mostly rely on time shield, but for those moments where my time shield and/or dash/run were charging, or there were cars, ramps or other things blocking my escape route or making it less viable, it would just make more sense to run and slide over or behind a piece of cover, and dash from cover to cover till you're in the green, to more effectively escape or buy time to charge up.
I get that would make the game easier, but improving AI and reworking encounters accordingly, to balance things out again could solve that. Point is, the more options and freedom you have, the better. That way it's not the mechanics or a lack of a feature that's holding you back, just your imagination, strategy and skill level.
I wasn't initially trying to melee but then everyone said they beat it by just melee'ing everyone. So I tried that.
The thing I find ridiculous is the bombs don't have a very distinctive sound compared to all the other time dashing going on, and since they don't seem to have a big area of light surrounding them - if you're not looking in their direction you may not even know they are there. After the initial bomb, no other bombs do that camera shifting to show them. Half the time I just blow up without realizing one was next to me.
...I didn't know you could shut the HUD off. I might need to try a third playthough like that. Sounds interesting
Just got to act 4, part 2 and fuck yes there's SO MUCH TO READ lol
I know people tend to be a bit averse to this sort of story-telling, and I can see why - a lot of these documents, emails and such are in completely random places, which I'm sure breaks the immersion for some. But I fucking love this stuff. I mean, of course it'd be NICE if the locations made more sense, but it's really a non-issue for me.
I know people tend to be a bit averse to this sort of story-telling, and I can see why - a lot of these documents, emails and such are in completely random places, which I'm sure breaks the immersion for some. But I fucking love this stuff. I mean, of course it'd be NICE if the locations made more sense, but it's really a non-issue for me.
Bornstellar
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Alx
Member
I suppose that without the HUD you can't see your powers charging level ? How do you know which ones are available ?
I admit that I spent a lot of time using powers without checking if they were charged, but it lead to many deaths where I was desperately hammering the button of an empty shield ability.
I admit that I spent a lot of time using powers without checking if they were charged, but it lead to many deaths where I was desperately hammering the button of an empty shield ability.
I suppose that without the HUD you can't see your powers charging level ? How do you know which ones are available ?
I admit that I spent a lot of time using powers without checking if they were charged, but it lead to many deaths where I was desperately hammering the button of an empty shield ability.
Honestly I never looked at the HUD during my whole playthrough on hard, worked pretty good except for a few instances where I needed time shield and it was not available yet.
Also I think time shield should have been a real SHIELD and not a bubble which makes you immobile. More tactics! They could have thrown the heal on top of the activation. But I guess it does not make sense for the powers at all.
Alx
Member
Now that I think about it, I didn't really care about the HUD for the powers with multiple charges, like shield, stop and dash, since there was usually at least one left. Blast and rush was a different story though, because they took a long time to charge and were quickly depleted. Even then I did have some issues with rush, with the effect shutting off just before I reach an opponent and trigger the melee attack.
I hated Rush. I ran up to enemies and the prompt did not pop up most of the time. I had enough juice left as well, frustrating sometimes. I think Dash and Shield were my top 2 powers, even though I thought I would use time stop more, but I found the dash>aim slowmo a lot more reliable.
Alx
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I think rush was fun and very effective against smaller opponents, but yes the execution was sometimes flawed. Also I never managed to do a multiple melee, as the upgrade suggested I could do. It could have been great to teleport from one enemy to another.
I agree dash + focus + shotgun was the most reliable and rewarding strategy. Time stop is fine too, but you get tired of shooting into a bubble, and it doesn't let you aim for weak points.
I agree dash + focus + shotgun was the most reliable and rewarding strategy. Time stop is fine too, but you get tired of shooting into a bubble, and it doesn't let you aim for weak points.
SenjutsuSage
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Serene also noted, if you read the right optional story material in game, that jacks progression with his powers was far faster and more adept than anything he ever demonstrated.
For the sequel, listen Remedy:
Make a Time Shield that moves with the player by holding the B button.
When Time Rushing to an enemy and holding RB let that Time Blast hit the enemy hard and launch him into the air or stagger heavy enemies.
Use mini stutters for a stealth section.
Make a Time Shield that moves with the player by holding the B button.
When Time Rushing to an enemy and holding RB let that Time Blast hit the enemy hard and launch him into the air or stagger heavy enemies.
Use mini stutters for a stealth section.
I would have liked it more if opening something to read it paused any dialog that was going on. I kept opening things and then having to listen to dialog plus my own internal dialog plus trying to read what I opened. It could have been more elegant.
SenjutsuSage
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Alx
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Yes, and maybe more stealth all around. It was actually a bit jarring that Jack's only solution for everything was to kill everybody in the room, when he had abilities that could let him sneak through.
I'm actually more fond of action games in general, but I think there is more potential for puzzle and stealth here. Although the shooting is fun, so I would miss it if it went away.
Also two things :
- no one-shot kill, ever.
- on checkpoints before a difficult boss, avoid repeating the cutscene, obviously, but if you can't at least make sure the first seconds are silent. Hearing the same sentence again and again was turning me crazy.
Samurai G0SU
Member
I imagine a DLC plan like they did for Alan Wake.
More so- Act 5 and 6 announced at e3. There are so many questions unanswered by the time you end the game. It's awesome but at the same time painful. Cause i want MOAR.(
I dont think they will do a Sequel just yet. If they do it will revolve around
More so- Act 5 and 6 announced at e3. There are so many questions unanswered by the time you end the game. It's awesome but at the same time painful. Cause i want MOAR.
(I dont think they will do a Sequel just yet. If they do it will revolve around
2021 during the END OF TIME.
AusRoachman
Member
Can't state enough how much I'm loving this game .
Just did
. Really don't want it to end , and love the time stutters / effects so much . Something surreal about seeing a bird stuck in mid air or hearing people sloooowwwllllyyy talk when you get near them.
At least I know I have a few different choices to go back and replay. Bring on dlc remedy please
Just did
the tanker / bridge crash scene
At least I know I have a few different choices to go back and replay. Bring on dlc remedy please
If one person riots and nobody hears it, is it still a riot?
Did you ever hear me riot?
And I'm finished. Loved it! Hated it!
Well, maybe hate is a bit strong, but frankly actually playing wasn't fun. The powers were cool and easy and fun to use, but moving and aiming was so bad I cannot believe some of the more positive comments I've seen regarding the gunplay. I dunno. Maybe it's the framerate. I spent a lot of time doing something completely different, though, so this actually isn't that big a complaint. Maybe 20-25% of my time with the game was spent fighting.
That's pretty much the only negative though, otherwise I loved it! Aside from the obvious IQ problems, the game looks and sounds fucking amazing. I particularly loved the lighting and all the hazy reflections and shadows and whatnot. Fucking awesome to look at. Story, while pretty predictable to someone who's watched/read a lot of time travel stories already, was very good, really enjoyed all the characters.
I fucking LOVED the detailed world, spent a stupid amount of hours just reading shit and looking at notes, stickers, really just objects around the world. There was a lot of fun stuff to see everywhere.
But yeah, overall a great experience. If the DLC and/or sequel ever happen, I'll be sure to check them out
How much do the different junction choices affect the game? Are the bigger story changes restricted to the TV show stuff, or is the whole story affected?
e: oh and yeah, the final boss was stuuuupiiiid.
Well, maybe hate is a bit strong, but frankly actually playing wasn't fun. The powers were cool and easy and fun to use, but moving and aiming was so bad I cannot believe some of the more positive comments I've seen regarding the gunplay. I dunno. Maybe it's the framerate. I spent a lot of time doing something completely different, though, so this actually isn't that big a complaint. Maybe 20-25% of my time with the game was spent fighting.
That's pretty much the only negative though, otherwise I loved it! Aside from the obvious IQ problems, the game looks and sounds fucking amazing. I particularly loved the lighting and all the hazy reflections and shadows and whatnot. Fucking awesome to look at. Story, while pretty predictable to someone who's watched/read a lot of time travel stories already, was very good, really enjoyed all the characters.
Could have done without the cliffhanger, but I guess we gotta bait for them DLCs/sequel.
But yeah, overall a great experience. If the DLC and/or sequel ever happen, I'll be sure to check them out
How much do the different junction choices affect the game? Are the bigger story changes restricted to the TV show stuff, or is the whole story affected?
e: oh and yeah, the final boss was stuuuupiiiid.
IdreamofHIME
Member
It's nothing to do with changing weapons, the game just dictates what shoulder depending on where the character is. It pretty annoying and the support in the remedy forums pretty much always reply with "well look into that in the future" when it's brought up.
Suck man. Giving me a headache.
Finished the game, I liked it. It's not the best thing ever, but I really enjoyed it for what it was. I didn't like the final boss fight though, just like everyone. The thing is that once you know what you have to do it's stupid easy to avoid those red zones, but the attack that Paul uses against you is never explained which makes it frustratingly hard. I surprisingly ended up loving the live action 'TV' show, didn't expect that.
Oh, and I'll take that Alan Wake live action show now, Remedy.
I kinda felt bad for Burke when I had to fight him
Oh, and I'll take that Alan Wake live action show now, Remedy.
The final battle is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in a game before. FUCK. I'm playing on normal and getting irritated. I don't envy my hard playthrough.
What the HELL are these red things killing me? Fucking red bombs? I put 10 or so hours into this game and never saw these red bombs before and now out of nowhere there are these red bombs killing me off-screen with no warning?
They don't look like bombs. They don't sound like bombs. Just RANDOMLY some sections of the level will become red and if I'm in that diameter then I'm dead?
Up to this point I had purely glowing impressions. I.E. game of the gen. Pretty much had absolutely no complaints. But this final battle is terrible.
What the HELL are these red things killing me? Fucking red bombs? I put 10 or so hours into this game and never saw these red bombs before and now out of nowhere there are these red bombs killing me off-screen with no warning?
They don't look like bombs. They don't sound like bombs. Just RANDOMLY some sections of the level will become red and if I'm in that diameter then I'm dead?
Up to this point I had purely glowing impressions. I.E. game of the gen. Pretty much had absolutely no complaints. But this final battle is terrible.
They're Paul's version of your time blast. Just keep moving and use the hold LB to escape everything
Lol, he's doing a time blast
It's pretty easy once you understand the pattern. Whenever you see red just keep dashing. He places them where you're at every now and then. After you defeat the wave of enemies he'll place a few more at your current location. Just dash to the other side of the building as these have more range. Keep doing that (you only have to get him down twice) and he's done. I died 4 times on normal because I was just learning but I replayed on hard and easily beat him without dying.
