Ok, so you're asking if it's possible, I see. Apologies.
Quantum Break PC is a mess (non-native render, badly optimized, overpriced, etc)
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Ok, so you're asking if it's possible, I see. Apologies.
Papacheeks
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Just catching up in this thread. But can someone with short answer tell me why RexNovis got banned?
I understand Saul cause he was AstroTurffing. But REX?
I understand Saul cause he was AstroTurffing. But REX?
New to Pc gaming? You lucky thing didn't have to go through their bullshit "Games for Windows Live"
It hasn't been pirated. It's a bug in the game for some people playing offline.
Basically, it was just weird for me to see people just acting like "security" is a non issue when that is definitely not the case. Granted I dunno much about what exactly UWP allows or blocks on a technical level but I was under the impression that by it's very nature it was a counter against piracy. Granted Denuvo has done a fine job of hurting piracy but It can't be cheap. Every single AAA game using UWP has yet to be pirated is that because they are using denuvo or because they are using UWP and are on the win10 store.
1080p renders the game at 720p, then applies 4xMSAA.
The UWP initiative so far draws many similarities to GFWL and is actually worse in many ways.
Pirates will also get an eye patch on Jack Joyce, lol.
But I think it is currently a bug that is displaying that.
More to the point, I think the real piracy is MS charging money for this pc port, amirite?
I think this was just being tripped by people running the game outside of the Windows Store. I don't see Quantum Break on any popular torrenting websites.
i'm seeing it as available on some torrent sites
Crayon
Member
Security and piracy are issues at large, but are only hollow words in the uwp scheme.
Piracy = Not a Joke.
UWP is here to save us from piracy = Joke.
GHG
Member
Denuvo might not be cheap but it pays for itself if you are actually able to sell some games.
I didn't look too closely, but are they actually scene releases or just random fucks uploading nuked releases?
SunBroDave
Member
Maybe they haven't been pirated because the UWP bullshit has made it so that no one wants to play them, not even pirates.
The one result on kickasstorrents has No Crack in the title.
If even that site doesn't have it, no sites do.
Install that thing and let us know results. Curious about it. Is it an appx?
i don't want to bother downloading a 50 gig game i'm not interested in, plus this discussion is skirting the edge of the forum rules
roadrunn3r
Member
Yup that's the saddest part, even worse than astroturfing in my book. When consumers stop being consumers and prefer instead to defend big corporations, something very wrong has happened somewhere in the process.
I'm sorry but I call bs on this. I know my way around the net and I'm not seeing it on torrents or usenet. You have to be seeing a fake.
potatohead
Member
Shuhei is really my father so I must defend his evil ways.
i'm seeing it directly on scene sites, but Corpekata is right that it looks like there's no crack yet which is normal for a release this new
regardless, gears is available and i see a version with a crack
But if it's stopping piracy then it's understandable why modding files is something MS doesn't want to allow. I'm not even trying to defend them but the way some people in this thread act is just bonkers to me. It's not like modding was left out just to spite people. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.
The fact that this thread even devolved into a debate about UWP in the first place speaks volumes when at the end of the day many of QB's problems have nothing to even do with UWP in the first place.
SunBroDave
Member
Yo who's got that quote from Remedy themselves about UWP being the cause of many of QB's issues
Edit: not being sarcastic, there was legitimately a quote floating around this thread earlier
GHG
Member
They're lying to us obviously.
I strongly doubt they're legitimate. It's not like an EXE that you can just download and install. It'd have to be an AppX file, with specific instructions of how to install it using PowerShell. It'd then also need Microsoft's / Remedy's official security certificate before it'd even install or run.
So lets go down this alleyway of assuming that Gears has been cracked. How are games usually cracked? Does it involve modifying files, dlls, etc? I'm assuming even the cracked version would be running on the UWP.
The cert is an issue, but it's always possible that crack teams have figured out how to fake sign or run without it.
EDIT: if there is something called AppX and I'm wrong, my mistake please ignore
EDIT2: yea I'm totes wrong, removed the relevant stuff
Man I find this so hard to believe. I don't even see mention of a working gears anywhere. I do not believe there is a cracked uwp game.
Because the game running like poop and not having native resolutions is totally a uwp problem lol. More like a Microsoft and Remedy problem.
I know you aren't that dense.
In its current state, yes, UWP Is unfit for one of its many intended uses. Such is the nature of being a work-in-progress...
My whole involvement in this discussion has not been that UWP doesn't have issues. its that people are making blanket assumptions about the API, and blaming it for specific issues that it has nothing to do with...
The lack of mods: Inherent issue with UWP
Over , SLI, Vsync, full screen, etc: current issue with underdeveloped API
Temporal reconstruction, quit button, 144Hz framerate issue (KI), etc: developer issues
The vast majority of the issues with these releases have to do with devs decisions unrelated to UWP or UWP, IN ITS CURRENT FORM, not supporting certain features that are planned for a future date. But to suggest that these issues (with the exception of mods) are inherent to the premise of UWP, is false.
Regarding Forza, You can get in any discussion you like... Just don't mischaracterize my comments, or throw in a bunch of non-pertinent 'information' to counter arguments I didn't make.
Not worth pursuing because it's getting off-topic. Even if Microsoft's entire goal was to stop piracy with UWA, there are plenty of other ways to do it without affecting core gamers. Denuvo works pretty well and allows injection.
This has such enormous ramifications, I don't know why you are trying go up to bat for this shit.
...Is that all the reconstruction tech is? Everyone's making it seem more complicated than that.
I understand that but denuvo is also not cheap which is why I assume nobody but big pubs have bothered to use it in the first place. Also, didn't Microsoft say they where working on allowing injection?
It really sounds like the only legit thing people have against uwp is modding and understandably a lot of people don't give 2 shits about mods. I wouldn't even be reading this thread if QB had good performance and took advantage of both my damn 980 TI's. Though it's not like MS has sent me my damn pc code yet anyway. TBH this whole ordeal has soured me on MS so much it's not even funny and I already didn't like them much.
I just don't think all the blame should go on uwp. Hell even so many people basically giving Remedy a free pass and they're blaming Microsoft for all the wrong reasons. -_-
It's complicated because it's a core part of the renderer. It's not something that you can just switch off. Forced 4xMSAA at a lower resolution is blurry and causes performance issues compared to native 1080p.
Pathfinder
Member
That's basically what it is. Digital Foundry goes into more detail about how it actually works.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-quantum-break-tech-analysis
Reading through thread and picking up on heavy koolaid drinking going on I could only think of one thing
Back on topic this snippet from the FAQ I find confusing and (potentially) distateful....
I'm sorry, what? I've never seen the movie but I know why it was such a big deal when it was released...
Like any windows 10 app? you mean like chrome? firefox? steam? edge?
Ok, so a giant community around PC gaming has to give up for Microsoft's shitty platform. Sounds like an amazing trade off.
How about give me the option to do whatever the fuck I want on the computer I paid for on the hardware I paid for.
keltickennedy
Member
Reading through thread and picking up on heavy koolaid drinking going on I could only think of one thing
Back on topic this snippet from the FAQ I find confusing and (potentially) distateful....
I'm sorry, what? I've never seen the movie but I know why it was such a big deal when it was released...
Like any windows 10 app? you mean like chrome? firefox? steam? edge?
"I wish I could quit you" is a quote from the movie.
Crayon
Member
You postulate two motivators for MS locking up uwp in this post: Stopping Piracy or Just to spite people. If you could imagine other possible motivators such as.... the chance to establish the phone-like app store on the pc by hamfistedly copying the app store model from successful competitors, then you can reason from there and see if sound reasoning matches reality.
In this case, Microsoft might be inclined to shoe-horn full-effort game developments into a software paradigm that was designed for cell phone apps consequences be damned. Lo and behold.
You really may want to consider that microsoft may not say what they intend to do in the most straightforward manner all the time. You may want to take their word with a grain.. just an itty bitty little grain, mind you... of salt
Starfield
Member
So this may be helping some people out who have fps issues like I have:
If you are experiencing massive frame drops (aka. slide show) then just lower your graphics settings/resolution, switch in-game to see if it helped and THEN go back to your old/higher settings and voila, no fps drops.
I know it sounds weird but it works.
This surely must be something that is patchable right? Bc it's certainly not my hardware that is having the problem here.
Edit: nvm, game still runs like a potato
If you are experiencing massive frame drops (aka. slide show) then just lower your graphics settings/resolution, switch in-game to see if it helped and THEN go back to your old/higher settings and voila, no fps drops.
I know it sounds weird but it works.
This surely must be something that is patchable right? Bc it's certainly not my hardware that is having the problem here.
Edit: nvm, game still runs like a potato
Sora the Cat
Member
I've seen the movie and I also don't get it.
Sora the Cat
Member
No,just rendering it at 720P/4*MSAA and displaying at 1080P would be upscaling a 720P image to 1080P and nothing more..so that's not "basically what it is" like someone said in a reply to you above.
What it does is that it uses 4 frames of 720P/4*MSAA images (3 of which are past frames and the 4th one being the current frame) to reconstruct a full 1080P image. Works well in cutscenes and during gameplay it leads to 720P/4*MSAA when moving and 1080P image when still, the transition is very quick...quick enough that the moment you stop you end up with a 1080P image straight after.
Regardless of all that, the game has a heavy film grain filter which will make it look low resolution even at higher than 1080P rendering resolution (as seen in the image in OP). Which is why the difference between 720P and reconstructed 1080P ain't anything significant. Ironically, the cutscenes don't use film grain (or use very little of it if it does use any).
paperspace
Member
... how is this being sold?
They are charging 70 for this. That's 80$ here. How on earth is this possible.
They are charging 70 for this. That's 80$ here. How on earth is this possible.
Crayon
Member
Then code your own os so you can do whatever you want? your argument doesn't make sense to me man. There are always trade offs, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Let me ask you this. Imagine if pc games all cost 10$ more so they can afford denuvo. Would that be a worthwhile trade off for you to be rid of UWP? obviously just hypothetical and obviously ignoring the stupid ass pricing MS has going on right now with QB lol.
Oh you mean those trade offs that didn't exist 6 months ago?
I've always been a huge supporter of gaming on Linux and I'm hoping this pushes developers towards Vulkan and Linux.
I just don't get how you can defend something that will potentially destroy a huge benefit on PC for little benefit to the consumer.
roadrunn3r
Member
What? Mods are huge on PC, the most casual PC players I know did play Skyrim with mods. Same with lets say every moddable game ever. "Most people don't care about mods" is just something someone who has no idea about what PC gaming is would say.
Considering many mods have turned into full games, I don't understand how that can be an argument that no one gives "two shits" about them.
These limitations didn't exist 6 months ago. There is absolutely no reason to believe Microsoft will develop UWA into a bigger or better platform compared to Win32 without giving up features we've had for 20 years. The fact so many people staunchly defend Microsoft for these moves scares the hell out of me.
Yeah, ultimately what I always miss from the opposing side in these discussions is a solid list of reasons why any core PC gamer should desire to support UWP.
"It will be somewhat less of a reduction in functionality at some point in the future" is hardly the most striking of motivaions.
This sounds eminently reasonable.