Doesn't that just confirm you're handing the role to Town?
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Doesn't that just confirm you're handing the role to Town?
Dusk Soldier
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If the votes go back to 0 the last person unvoted will become director.
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Running for Director
Verelios
acohrs
CCS
Natiko
Kalor
Ourobolus
Karkador (Claimed Infected)
Swamped
Burbeting
Sawneeks
Opposed to Being Director
franconp
Undeclared
11037
Lone_Prodigy (No posts D1)
Zippedpinhead (No posts D1)
Faddy
Kawl_USC
exmachina64 (No posts D1)
TheExodu5 (No posts D1)
Seath
Fat4all
Running for Director
Verelios
acohrs
CCS
Natiko
Kalor
Ourobolus
Karkador (Claimed Infected)
Swamped
Burbeting
Sawneeks
Opposed to Being Director
franconp
Undeclared
11037
Lone_Prodigy (No posts D1)
Zippedpinhead (No posts D1)
Faddy
Kawl_USC
exmachina64 (No posts D1)
TheExodu5 (No posts D1)
Seath
Fat4all
Yes, but that's only if I know you are lying, which I don't.
What is the difference between us making you Director and you not being elected Director, and we lynch you Day 2 regardless?
Gotcha, thank you.
Then if that is the case that Level 2 always infect people there has to be some equally insane Town counter or else this game is broken.
Yeah this doesn't make me feel any better about deciding to give it to you. :x
Why did you think there was a cure?
Let's say Kark is telling the truth.
What happens if, for some reason, they aren't cured tonight?
They become Level 2.
If we make Kark Director and they aren't cured, they are going to lie about being cured, because now that they are Level 2 infected, their win condition has to be in line with the scum. Whoever can cure won't come forward to disclaim them because it would out them to the scum. So if Kark is telling the truth, there is no reason whatsoever to make them Director, as it is currently the only way to had this 3-vote power to a potential Level 2 infected.
Vote any other player Director, then they are guaranteed to be Level 1 tomorrow if they get infected. Any even going by what Kark says, that infection mechanic seems to be random anyways.
tl;dr
19 out of 20 players, if made director, at the worst will be Level 1 infected tomorrow.
1 out of 20 players, if made director, at the worst will be Level 2 infected tomorrow.
What happens if, for some reason, they aren't cured tonight?
They become Level 2.
If we make Kark Director and they aren't cured, they are going to lie about being cured, because now that they are Level 2 infected, their win condition has to be in line with the scum. Whoever can cure won't come forward to disclaim them because it would out them to the scum. So if Kark is telling the truth, there is no reason whatsoever to make them Director, as it is currently the only way to had this 3-vote power to a potential Level 2 infected.
Vote any other player Director, then they are guaranteed to be Level 1 tomorrow if they get infected. Any even going by what Kark says, that infection mechanic seems to be random anyways.
tl;dr
19 out of 20 players, if made director, at the worst will be Level 1 infected tomorrow.
1 out of 20 players, if made director, at the worst will be Level 2 infected tomorrow.
Or we can all agree to lynch Kark regardless of what he says tomorrow?
I just don't see the utility of keeping a role like the Director around long enough for it to fall into Scum's hands.
Another aspect about this no one has discussed is how many NKs we are looking at. If we are looking at 2 per Night we will have a very pressured game where we can't afford mislynches or 'test lynches' later on. So if that happens, what do we do with the Director? People are still claiming 'policy lynch if alive on Day X', but what if we get to Day X and we are few in number? Do we risk lynching the Director on the chance they are Scum or look elsewhere?
Get rid of that question now so it won't pop up later because if we don't deal with it now it will be around all game.
The word "vaccinated" in my role PM clues me to it, but it is a little bit of a gamble
If you think I'm lying, then I'm either Town, or making a needless power grab for Director that still makes me outed Infected and lynchable Day 2.
I'm counting on you not lynching me Day 2 regardless, because, as I say below:
Town has the Axometer and can see the # of Infected. If it still reads "1" tomorrow, you know that I was cured. If it's "2", you know I was not cured and my alignment is obvious. It's that simple.
That mechanic hasn't been confirmed to work like that yet.
At the moment, that's still an assumption.
How do we know there's not another infected like you?
I feel this is too much of a gamble.
Yeah, I think I've swung back around. We should not make Kark Director. My main issues are the chance that his role has some sort of built in protection if he is Infected, his insistence that if we give it to him and he is cured he will remain cured, and his belief that he can even be cured in the first place. I mean lets pick this apart.
Kark also pushes this angle about once he is cured he will remain cured multiple times. Why? What information could Kark have as scum that would make him think he could be forever cured? Personally I don't think there's much chance of that.
Another thing is his discussion about recruiting. He mentions that it's random in that initial post. There's also this post:
In the same post he talks about how recruiting is blind but then also talks about how infected would target anyone asking to be cured. It's just contradictory, as much of his claim is. Contradictions or assumptions. I mean lets look at another example:
The implication here is he is feral right now in D1, but was also feral at the time of Cabot's death (N0). This would mean that either a person remains feral for two day phases (meaning he would have been feral in this theoretical D0 as well) or that he's claiming a person turns feral AND performs a selected NK in the same night. This makes little sense given how night actions would need to have tiered time limits in order to lock in someone being infected and then lock in their night kill.
My ultimate takeaways are as follows:
A) I think Kark is playing at something. He's making claims that contradict each other and don't add up. Either he is a neutral or he is scum with a special ability. If he was being honest I do not think we would see all of these issues. Thus we should not make him Director.
B) I also think he is lying about some of the details he has provided, specifically I think he has flipped how the kills and infections work. I would be willing to bet that a "feral" player in stage 1 performs a random NK and a player in stage 2 performs a targeted infection. This lines up more with Dusk's opening post in which he says feral Araxoid's "can kill without warning". I wouldn't be surprised if a player in stage 1 is not even made aware of their infection barring a special ability granted to them in their role PM.
Fake Edit:
We also have this newest post:
We have no way of knowing if the Axometer will pickup on people in stage 1 or if it's only those in stage 2. This is a dangerous assumption to make if we buy into it and grant Kark Director.
So back to my takeaways..
C) I think we need to be very careful in who we elect for Director. We need someone that feels they can avoid backfiring on town due to the possibility of becoming infected. I will keep my name in for running for Director, but I would like those of you in that list to consider the possible outcomes if you are elected and decide if you want to remain in the running.
So if we believe that Kark is the one person on the scum team currently we have to decide if he is stage 1 or stage 2. He implies in this post that during stage 1 a person is "feral" and can perform a NK. Well, what do we know about the beginning of the game? We know Dusk made a point to include Cabot and have him killed. The easy assumption is he did this to setup the need to elect a Director, but maybe there was more to it? Perhaps this was intended to act as Kark ascending to stage 2 as well. We also know that logically the chances of a stage 2 scum with access to scum chat being able to be cured should be nearly 0 as it would break the entire game.
Kark also pushes this angle about once he is cured he will remain cured multiple times. Why? What information could Kark have as scum that would make him think he could be forever cured? Personally I don't think there's much chance of that.
Another thing is his discussion about recruiting. He mentions that it's random in that initial post. There's also this post:
In the same post he talks about how recruiting is blind but then also talks about how infected would target anyone asking to be cured. It's just contradictory, as much of his claim is. Contradictions or assumptions. I mean lets look at another example:
The implication here is he is feral right now in D1, but was also feral at the time of Cabot's death (N0). This would mean that either a person remains feral for two day phases (meaning he would have been feral in this theoretical D0 as well) or that he's claiming a person turns feral AND performs a selected NK in the same night. This makes little sense given how night actions would need to have tiered time limits in order to lock in someone being infected and then lock in their night kill.
My ultimate takeaways are as follows:
A) I think Kark is playing at something. He's making claims that contradict each other and don't add up. Either he is a neutral or he is scum with a special ability. If he was being honest I do not think we would see all of these issues. Thus we should not make him Director.
B) I also think he is lying about some of the details he has provided, specifically I think he has flipped how the kills and infections work. I would be willing to bet that a "feral" player in stage 1 performs a random NK and a player in stage 2 performs a targeted infection. This lines up more with Dusk's opening post in which he says feral Araxoid's "can kill without warning". I wouldn't be surprised if a player in stage 1 is not even made aware of their infection barring a special ability granted to them in their role PM.
Fake Edit:
We also have this newest post:
We have no way of knowing if the Axometer will pickup on people in stage 1 or if it's only those in stage 2. This is a dangerous assumption to make if we buy into it and grant Kark Director.
So back to my takeaways..
C) I think we need to be very careful in who we elect for Director. We need someone that feels they can avoid backfiring on town due to the possibility of becoming infected. I will keep my name in for running for Director, but I would like those of you in that list to consider the possible outcomes if you are elected and decide if you want to remain in the running.
*shrug*, there's nothing more I can do to prove it to you today, but I'm betting my game on it
I do think the role could be fun but I'll pass.
I said so to Kawl earlier but I don't trust my reads well enough to use 3-votes effectively. So far I still think Director Kark is the best one-two combo but if we aren't for that idea I'm not against taking the Director role for myself ( albeit reluctantly ). I trust myself more than I trust everyone else right now anyway. :x
I know you can't directly quote but does it mention you being the target of the vaccination or just vaccination being a mechanic in general?
vaccination being a mechanic in general, and yeah, can't quote PMs. I think that's all I can say about that
Also in regards to this, vaccines do not treat an infection, but they instead prevent an infection. If vaccination is a mechanic I would guess it prevents someone from contracting the disease, but that it does not cure someone who already is infected. Again, I doubt there is anything that can cure you at this point.
Fair point, but it doesn't rule out that I can be cured
This is also my main point of contention. I think it is safe to assume that even if you are the sole scum at this point, there's not much we can do on our end to help you.
exmachina64
Banned
Hey, guys, sorry for being absent. Catching up now.
Random thought: Is there any possibility that by taking on the role of Director you would lose access to any abilities you may have and take on strictly those of the Director? That would maybe prevent it from getting in the hands of someone that could have a really good ability and breaking the game.
Dusk didn't say as much. so I am assuming it's just a day action that is extra.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Ok I'be read the thread, and I have two things I want to say.
1: I do NOT want the director job. I can't package all that and really get my reads in.
And
2: I love Kark's gambit. It plays out in a lot of different ways, it makes a great rationale for day 1 director. It's viable both as a scum gambit, infected gambit AND as a power play from a normie. Can't sterilize that away, ethylene oxide, steam or radiation...
So i don't want the director job, don't give it to me. I'm going to lay low day one, so I don't engineer up some reasons for you all to kill me (pineapple/Pork BBQ pizza aside).
1: I do NOT want the director job. I can't package all that and really get my reads in.
And
2: I love Kark's gambit. It plays out in a lot of different ways, it makes a great rationale for day 1 director. It's viable both as a scum gambit, infected gambit AND as a power play from a normie. Can't sterilize that away, ethylene oxide, steam or radiation...
So i don't want the director job, don't give it to me. I'm going to lay low day one, so I don't engineer up some reasons for you all to kill me (pineapple/Pork BBQ pizza aside).
I kinda support giving Kark the directorship, on the basis that if we then lynch him day two it takes it out of the game which is probably better than having it on someone who later becomes infected.
However, that would be on the condition that we can all agree to lynch him day 2. Sorry mate, but I don't trust that you can be cured. You die tomorrow.
However, that would be on the condition that we can all agree to lynch him day 2. Sorry mate, but I don't trust that you can be cured. You die tomorrow.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Running Tally for Your New Lakeshore Pharmatech Director:
acohrs (1)
CCS #105
Karkador (0):
Ourobolus #255 #317
No active vote for Day 1: Verelios, acohrs, Natiko, 11037, Kalor, franconp, Ourobolus (has previously voted), Lone_Prodigy, Zippedpinhead, Faddy, Karkador, Swamped, Kawl_USC, Burbeting, exmachina64, TheExodu5, Seath, Fat4all, Sawneeks
Day 1 ends:
acohrs (1)
CCS #105
Karkador (0):
No active vote for Day 1: Verelios, acohrs, Natiko, 11037, Kalor, franconp, Ourobolus (has previously voted), Lone_Prodigy, Zippedpinhead, Faddy, Karkador, Swamped, Kawl_USC, Burbeting, exmachina64, TheExodu5, Seath, Fat4all, Sawneeks
Day 1 ends:
I'm confused by what this post means.
Also, morning all. This thread moved quite a bit while I was asleep. The general consensus seems to be that the role of Director is a poisoned chalice. Yes, 3 votes, but...
likely to be targeted by infected, despite whether infected or not everyone else will not trust you and prolly lynch you as soon as possible, may be scum and abuse the 3 vote power, etc.
Hey buddy, you take it back!
Vote: CCS
likely to be targeted by infected, despite whether infected or not everyone else will not trust you and prolly lynch you as soon as possible, may be scum and abuse the 3 vote power, etc.
Hey buddy, you take it back!
Vote: CCS
All of you remember when I said earlier that Kark was lying and making a weird move to gain something? And when I said that he and you where working together?
It seems I was right. I don't know what you are (I'm leaning neutrals or something like that) or your objetive but it seems that you need the Director role to fulfill a condition or something.
I don't know either if someone else is working with you. I could see Sawneeks working with both of you.
So, I was right in Overwatch and it seems that I was right here too.
It doesnt take being in kahoots with Kark to be able to smell one of his famous gambits. Ouro believes this is one and is merely asking him if he will continue this one to days end or if he will come clean earlier.
Maybe, but the interactions between themselves seems weird.
The post of Ouro asking Kark who we should vote as Director is the worse. Why would he ask him that?
The same reason you ask any one a pointed question in mafia? To get an answer and gauge their reaction?
This is about becoming Director
Has anybody else really made even half of the rationale for Director as me? If you're not giving it to me, you better have a good reason.
lol that's not how any of this works
Also I don't see how would benefit Kark to lie about his role if he isn't part of a group. To make that gambit Kark needs someone who can backup him up saying that he is town.
Either Kark is part of a group looking to gain benefit ir he is telling the truth and just suicide himself.
Either Kark is part of a group looking to gain benefit ir he is telling the truth and just suicide himself.
I would like to know the meaning of this too.
I had a chance to read through Kark's idea and I don't like it. I think the first thing we should do is vote to lynch him D2. While it was super entertaining to read through his plan, ultimately I don't think it's best for town to act on it.
According to Dusk's D1 post, an infected human is an "Araxoid". This is what Kark is claiming to be. They are "dangerous and can kill without warning". So Kark could kill someone tonight (though he claims he will only infect). Anyway, not much we can do since we aren't voting to lynch today.
(I don't normally like dissected the OP flavor, but since highlights were used I assume it's more than just flavor).
Kark also says:
As soon as Kark infects someone N1, they will become an Araxoid and kill someone, probably Kark. But, Kark just mentioned that the targeting process is random. So why would they choose to target Kark? The Level 1 infected probably have no control over who they target.
Additionally, the opening said that only Level 2 players have the ability to infect. So I don't know what Kark is going on about, although I still need to read his followup posts carefully.
Anyway, basically I don't know if Kark is lying about being able to target someone or not, but he's definitely withholding some information. Therefore I think we should not vote for him as Director.
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My offer to take on the Director job still stands. As I said, if you all vote for me, I will:
(1) Tell you exactly what happened to me during N1 on D2, whether I got infected, roleblocked etc
(2) Reveal my history on D1, towards the end of the day
I think having three votes is very powerful and can make or break the game for town (or scum) during endgame or pre-endgame. In scum hands, mylo/lylo comes earlier than anticipated. But in town hands, it gets pushed back which is awesome.
Since one can't self-vote, Ouro would be my choice. He is a great town player with a penchant for dying early so seems like the perfect candidate for the Director role.
VOTE: Ourobolus
For an average player I would probably agree with you. But Kark has a history of doing complex gambits and often times getting a positive gain from them. I lean more towards this being a gambit than him being truthful. Doesn't pass the smell test imo
Have you considered a promotion to Director? Reading through the thread I'm definitely town reading you
It's only an idea
I'm really not sure about if this is a Kark gambit or genuine, but if we give him the dictatorship he's got to be lynched tomorrow is more the point.
Yes and already said I don't want it. To me it seems more like a burden than a benefit. The Director will be killed quickly and, having been killed N1 in Zelda, I want to play the game longer.
I'm leaning to give the role to someone known for shitposting or low activity. Someone I won't care to kill if I needed, like acohrs or CCS maybe.
We simply don't have time to wait for nin to sub into this game.
But why such convenient names like acohrs and CCS, who are active and not shitposting?
Someone didn't read Zelda Mafia!
Also, @Franconp, you can feck off with that level of responsibility! Give it to CCS, he loves a nice, full poisoned chalice
Because they spent all day one of Zelda shitposting and this time don't look different. I don't know all of the players but I know both of them and know what to expect. Can be anyone for that matter. I just don't want to give it to a useful townie (like burb for example) because it would be harder to kill him later.
Zippedpinhead
Member
After thinking about it, I like that rationale against the "if day X policy Lynch" talk. I could get behind a sawneeks directorship.
So chill out everyone, let's make her director...