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Quebec and Manitoba see influx of asylum seekers crossing U.S. border
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TheStruggler
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yep I think the scary thing however is the lengths they will go to leave. Again they are walking in -35/-45 wheather at times, one man arrived in manitoba and lost his fingers due to frost bite.
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Does Ontario even have a land border with the US?
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Quebec and New York state share many border towns and roads.
Highway 87s border crossing surroundings has been the busiest in Quebec with border jumpers.
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Ya sadly Manitoba is Conservative right now, I welcome them, if they feel that threatened and are willing to go those lengths to get away, #letthemstay
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Trudeau should do something to take care of this. Maybe this Trump guy has an idea on how to stop illegal immigrants...
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let our beavers build a wall with a big sign above saying sorry?
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A good start would be doing away with the Safe Third Country Agreement. With this agreement refugees are REQUIRED to apply for refugee status on the first country they land in, in this case it is the US. They're only able to circumvent it via these illegal and dangerous border crossings.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/laws-policy/menu-safethird.asp
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I live in Manitoba currently, and to be honest, it'll be probably one of the defining moments of Brian Pallister's time as Premier, how he handles this growing situation. Most of them are East African migrants, coming from places like Somalia, by way of the East African community in the Twin Cities of Minnesota.
Considering what Trump is going to be doing, I don't blame them for trying to risk crossing the border in the frigid Manitoba winter.
I mean, Pallister is reeling from comments about night hunting that First Nations people do as 'becoming a race war situation' (paraphrased) so this is going to add to it.
Considering what Trump is going to be doing, I don't blame them for trying to risk crossing the border in the frigid Manitoba winter.
I mean, Pallister is reeling from comments about night hunting that First Nations people do as 'becoming a race war situation' (paraphrased) so this is going to add to it.
It will be hard for Pallister to do much of anything when he's suntanning near the equator with limited access to phone or email.
It's going to get worse when the weather improves. Safe third country is the real issue. I keep hearing "the USA is good enough" and if they come here they take spots refugees from the Middle East could take instead. Plus if they lose digits they are a "burden on our healthcare system". Since MB had been a "have not" province basically since confederation from my understanding I can understand tax concerns but come on. Poor people are the people big government is supposed to help, and my 20 years there tells me MB is full of poor people; they aren't going to be the ones shouldering the brunt of the financial burden involved in caring for refugees.
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Good point.
Silver Arrows
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Exactly. Considering it is open season on brown Muslims, what's stopping Trump from turning his sights on the African Muslims?
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please be joking?
er, Niagara Falls? Michigan? Wisconsin? Vermont? NEW YORK?
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oh god
gutter_trash
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wow, Onatrio is very lakey and rivery, so much water everywhere LOL
As far as I know Lake Erie hasn't frozen over this year, or any of the Great Lakes, so it's kinda difficult to walk across the border to Ontario.
About one-fifth of the world's fresh water can be found in Ontario. We have a lot of water
All of them separated by water
River, great lakes, etc
There is direct areas where you can enter, but for an asylum seeker you can't enter officially once first claim made in US... so they'd have to cross water and the best place on foot is Minnesota/ ontario border... not a great place to do it in the winter
Also the lack of population centres nearby
Oppo
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it is, however, easy as pie to sail across.
seriously if you hang out at a boating club, they are always looking for spare sailors for racing ("rail meat", sit where you're told, for speed) and they do sail boat races across Lake Erie all the time. source: most of my childhood.
and when you enter on a sailboat you are expected to make a friendly phone call to the Border people and tell them you're there. voluntarily.
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Those are bridges with border checkpoints. The refugees can't cross the border checkpoints because they'd be sent back, that's why they're crossing illegally. There's no border with Vermont or Wisconsin land or sea, though.
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I don't know that it's actually totally comprehensive, but if you are counting rivers, ok.
there are likely lots of spots where Minnesota meets western Ontario, along the Prairie Portage.
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Southern Quebec is probably the easiest and the friendliest out of the 3 major land entry Provinces
You could rent/buy a boat. Or you could just make a land crossing into Manitoba or Quebec. Either way you end up cuffed and taken to customs and immigration.
The border runs through a river. The bridges all have checkpoints.
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which is why I didn't say rent/buy a boat.
but even then... I've been across and back many many times. Lake Erie is a smaller Great Lake but it's still huge. we used to race boats from Port Stanley to Ashtabula Ohio, stay overnight and sail back, and never bothered with any border stuff.
Retract, there's a lot of places you can cross, but it's not convenient in any way
But i still think the immigration offices being 1000 km away is an issue
Getting to there and claiming from there would be difficult.... it's pure wilderness on both sides of the border
Can you explain what this means? Native Americans in Canada are hunting the border crossers at night??
There are definitely portages, it isn't a constant river/lakes through the whole border. It is complete wilderness though and yeah you can't just drive across in a keep or something.
You could drive pretty damn close though and canoe/portage/hike in a matter of a few days though.
If I was a Muslim from one of the 7 countries in the ban I would probably be considering it. I would just walk across in NW MN and hitch hike to Winnepeg though. Much easier. I would also wait until May because it is fucking cold up there right now.
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