Razer's new keyboard is basically cheating

It's like those monitors with built in AI wallhacks. These stupid hardware companies are going to murder multiplayer gaming lmao.
Oh ya.

What happened to those? Are they available to buy yet? I remember seeing those vids and it was hilarious. For those of you who never saw it, a guy would be playing League of Legends and the game monitor would be smart enough to show gamers on screen with arrows or red indicators where enemies are coming from which direction. Kind of of like playing COD and you got UAV or indicators all game to help you out. lol

I'm not sure how the monitor would be smart enough to know where off screen online enemies are, but it does.
 
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Oh ya.

What happened to those? Are they available to buy yet? I remember seeing those vids and it was hilarious. For those of you who never saw it, a guy would be playing League of Legends and the game monitor would be smart enough to show gamers on screen with arrows or red indicators where enemies are coming from which direction. Kind of of like playing COD and you got UAV or indicators all game to help you out. lol
I had an MSI rep tell me they were toning down what those monitors can do but I also wonder what people are going to be able to unlock with that Ai chip being installed
 
It's like those monitors with built in AI wallhacks. These stupid hardware companies are going to murder multiplayer gaming lmao.
Personally I love watching the new tech take shots at damaging online gaming. I can't wait until it's so ubiquitous that online games are a wasteland and investment in future projects is gradually forced to avoid them as no longer a viable medium. That would be my dream.
 
Personally I love watching the new tech take shots at damaging online gaming. I can't wait until it's so ubiquitous that online games are a wasteland and investment in future projects is gradually forced to avoid them as no longer a viable medium. That would be my dream.
I dont play MOBA or RTS games but I've seen my share of Starcraft or LoL matches on YT. I just enjoy watching two people battling it out with hoards of units or whatever.

But when these monitors come out gamers who have it upload videos steamrolling an opponent who clearly doesnt, and laughing and trolling at the AI indicators, it'll be hilarious.
 
These f'n tiny ass keyboards, smh.

When did humanity's hands shrink so much?

The keys are standard size. It is just minimalist for those who don't care about functions or numpad. When I'm playing a FPS, I'll change out my keyboard for something similar and shelve the one I use for work.
 
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These f'n tiny ass keyboards, smh.

When did humanity's hands shrink so much?
60% keyboards have most of the functionality of full sized with Fn. And some have multiple keyboards for different use, or even separate numpad keyboards (I have one) for work.
 
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It's like those monitors with built in AI wallhacks. These stupid hardware companies are going to murder multiplayer gaming lmao.
Have to agree, they might sell lots in the short term; but long term those games will suffer. Publishers and developers themselves might have to account for these...
 
I watched most of the vid and needed to understand the strafing part a bit (the first part about the spring action keys part I understood). But if this becomes allowed in games, it'll be weird as hell playing against gamers with these keyboards.

But, cant the studio just adjust their gameplay engine so your character cant do these strafing juke moves no matter what hardware has it?
 
But, cant the studio just adjust their gameplay engine so your character cant do these strafing juke moves no matter what hardware has it?
They'd have to introduce a minimum delay between every directional input, which is just going to make the movement feel like crap for veterans who have legitimately gotten good at doing this on a regular keyboard.
 
They'd have to introduce a minimum delay between every directional input, which is just going to make the movement feel like crap for veterans who have legitimately gotten good at doing this on a regular keyboard.
True for the vets.

But there's got to be a point where it's humanly impossible. And if any new gear is going beyond human hands, maybe just cap it at that. I dont follow competitive gamers, so maybe there are gamers who ar so it good they replicate this keyboard. I dont know.

I'm just thinking back to turbo gamepads where it'd shoot 20 bullets instead of 3, which is humanly impossible. Or someone using it on Track & Field II on NES (incredibly hard game at some point), where the guy can turn on turbo and max out the power bar automatically 100% every turn. Humanly impossible. I think those gadgets had a way of overriding code. Because if I pressed a fire button 5 times super fast, the game might still limit me to 3 bullets. But somehow the turbopad could do 20.
 
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But there's got to be a point where it's humanly impossible. And if any new gear is going beyond human hands, maybe just cap it at that. I dont follow competitive gamers, so maybe there are gamers who ar so it good they replicate this keyboard. I dont know.
Alternating keypresses at frame-perfect intervals is hard, but far from impossible. Combos with single-frame timing windows used to be fairly common in fighting games, for example. Even I managed to get those down fairly consistently back when I was playing Street Fighter 4, despite being nowhere near pro level.

The interesting thing about this whole thing is that this is largely a fix for a problem mechanical keyboards created in the first place - overlapping inputs are significantly less likely to occur on cheaper membrane and scissor-switch keyboards, and some players in shooters with skill-based movement like Quake deliberately use non-gaming keyboards for that exact reason:

 
The Razer mice I had were great. The Wolverine controller, awful.
 
Yeah....for competitive gamers I'm betting it is an easy purchase considering what it can do.
The trick with Razer is to buy their stuff sold directly from Amazon as "Like New" or. "Very Good" condition. Especially if the product is on sale.

I have been buying Razer gear at like half off for years. And had very good experience with reliability with their keyboards and mice.
 
The trick with Razer is to buy their stuff sold directly from Amazon as "Like New" or. "Very Good" condition. Especially if the product is on sale.

I have been buying Razer gear at like half off for years. And had very good experience with reliability with their keyboards and mice.

Yeah....that's a good call. I buy "renewed" stuff on Amazon all the time and it saves me a lot of money. And the return policy is rock solid.
 
Full size keyboards are useless. A 75% keyboard is the max size anyone should need from coding to daily task.

I've got coworkers who swear they have to have their numpads, but I don't get it. Redundant keys for slightly more convenience, but less desk space. But....to each their own.
 
Being a Razer product, it will last a month.
You got a lot of pushback, but I'm with you. The laptop I got from them had pretty bad QC. The over-engineered power brick died just outside of warranty. Third-party replacement, albeit 5x the size, lasted forever.

The keyboard I got from them also died for no reason. Most of my keyboards live through trauma, I ain't gonna lie, it's not uncommon for one to eat an entire Big Gulp. But the Razer lived a charmed life and died with no signs of electricity. Very disappointing. Other keyboards post-spill typically come back to life just from a tap water rinse and adequate drying.

Was about to say... got a Blue Yeti a few years back and it was completely unsuitable for online gaming until I got a Monoprice arm to mount it on. Picked up every slightest vibration of my desk otherwise. Maybe nowadays Nvidia Broadcast could clean it up a little.
It's "cheating" only in the sense that it gives you an advantage over gamers that aren't using this kind of keyboard. But couldn't you say the same about having a lower ping, or lower latency display, or better mouse, or a zillion other things?
It makes it so you immediately release one key when another is pressed. I'd put this squarely in the category of "designing a better controller" and not "finding some unethical way to cheat the system".
Correct. Back in the day ping was the biggest thing. Half of us were on dial-up with like 300 ping, the other half were at a university playing on the server hosted on campus and had like an 8 ping. Or the fucks like Joe Rogan who got dedicated T1 line. And these were the days before 'lag comp'. Compared to that state of FPS gaming, cheesing some DADA strafe timing windows through hardware design is absolutely nothing. And neither situation is remotely "cheating".

The other thing is, if stuff like this proliferates, it completely fucks with crossplay numbers, if I'm a Playstation or Xbox owner and we're playing say.. Overwatch 2 or whatever.. Why would I enable crossplay when I'm primarily trying to relax after a long day at work?
Why are you "relaxing" with a competitive matchmade esports style shooter? If your concern is truly "relaxing", well sooner or later you'll sink to the correct MMR and have fun competitive matches facing the occasional dude with goofy strafing and absolutely no other skills to capitalize on it.
Have we really gone full circle to enhanced non-NKRO as a feature?
Pretty much.
Personally I love watching the new tech take shots at damaging online gaming. I can't wait until it's so ubiquitous that online games are a wasteland and investment in future projects is gradually forced to avoid them as no longer a viable medium. That would be my dream.
This is akin to incel logic.
These f'n tiny ass keyboards, smh.

When did humanity's hands shrink so much?
That one is a bit much for me, No F keys? Uhhh. F that.

But I do get minimizing width as that gives you lots of extra room for your mouse to roam and let you run a lower sensitivity. I just can't go any smaller than a tenkeyless personally. Seems like a sweet-spot.
Huh how is this cheating? It's just more precise tools?! Looks pretty cool
Yes, it's just a hyper-specifically designed tool. There aren't immutable laws of how a keyboard must handle multiple inputs.
 
Just use private servers with people you know. If that's not an option, join the cheating arms race. Just get better cheats.
 
Yeah....that's a good call. I buy "renewed" stuff on Amazon all the time and it saves me a lot of money. And the return policy is rock solid.
Yep, I got probably 4 keyboards and half a dozen mice over the years from Razer and majority of them through those Amazon sales.
 
I actually watched the linked video in OP and it seems like it's just a better keyboard and anyone can implement this in their keyboards, it's simply working out a longtime hardware limitation and isn't anything resembling automation, aimbotting, or scripting

So either everyone else copies Razer here or Razer becomes the official keyboard of CS tournaments I guess

Also my Razer Viper Ultimate has been great and reliable for many years and I've traveled with it a lot too, I can just throw it in a bag and leave and it's always fine jostling with my cables and chargers and crap in the same bag
 
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Yeah....that's a good call. I buy "renewed" stuff on Amazon all the time and it saves me a lot of money. And the return policy is rock solid.
Amazon Warehouse has saved me hundreds. I have always gotten new items in a damaged/different box and never had a single issue. I have no idea how the rebranded Amazon Resale will be in comparison. I hope it lives up to the warehouse items I received.
 
It's like those monitors with built in AI wallhacks. These stupid hardware companies are going to murder multiplayer gaming lmao.
This isn't anything different than what PS/2 keyboards were capable of YEARS ago, if anything this is crazy how much engineering it takes to do what keyboards were capable of since their inception before switching to USB
 
I don't get how this precision and fast response makes any difference in an online multiplayer scenario that has inherently too much input lag anyway?
 
I don't get how this precision and fast response makes any difference in an online multiplayer scenario that has inherently too much input lag anyway?
The video describes how this impacts competitive Counterstrike, tl;Dr there's some move that is key for playing competitively that is tricky to time just right even for very skilled players, but you can nail it effortlessly every single time with this keyboard.

Also with most games if you're holding e.g. left strafe and then you press right strafe, it treats it as if you're pressing neither. So it is nearly impossible to transition directly from strafing one direction to the other without some "neutral time" between. But with this keyboard again you can do it effortlessly and do some really crazy movements with it.

I still don't consider it cheating but it isn't simply a matter of reducing input lag, this is something different.
 
I've got coworkers who swear they have to have their numpads, but I don't get it. Redundant keys for slightly more convenience, but less desk space. But....to each their own.
Yeah I want a full size keyboard for work. I want the numberpad. I don't work in a closet so desk space is not an issue.
 
My Razer stuff have lasted for years without any issues
Unfortunately, I had a completely different experience. My Razor mousepad is now certainly over 10 years old. But all the other mice are either broken or somehow became sticky. And the one mouse has changed color and just looks disgusting. I don't know what kind of cheap junk razor uses, but I will never buy them again.

I still have an almost 20 year old logitech mouse lying around here and it still looks like the day I bought it. And yes, before anyone asks, I have washed my hands.
 
The issue seems to be the rubberized material they use to cover their mice, at least on my experience with the Deathadders, it doesn't last the same as hard plastic.

I had issues on the past with stuck clicks and often scroll wheels failing, but that's ok for me, changing them every two or three years to ensure maximum mouse freshness.
 
PSA: Do yourself a favor and get rid of Synapse and use OpenRGB. I had terrible performance in both new and old games on my 2yr old pc and it took me a while to realize Synapse was the cause of it. Kept seeing youtube vids of games running in a higher framerate than what i get although the specs were similar to my pc. Uninstalled Synapse and did a regedit to block the shady auto-installer, everything on my pc like apps felt way smoother in general and seen almost a 10% fps boost in some games. Also no random system freezes.
Steps to stop the Synapse auto installer:
1. Uninstall Synapse
2. Open regedit
3. Navigate to "Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Tracing\RazerInstaller_RASMANCS"
4. Right click and go to New-> D-Word 32bit and change the name to "start"
5. Right click "start", choose "Modify...", then set the value to 4 and hit ok.
6. Navigate to "Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Tracing\RazerInstaller_RASAPI32"
7. Repeat steps 4 and 5.
8. Reboot.
 
Alternating keypresses at frame-perfect intervals is hard, but far from impossible. Combos with single-frame timing windows used to be fairly common in fighting games, for example. Even I managed to get those down fairly consistently back when I was playing Street Fighter 4, despite being nowhere near pro level.

The interesting thing about this whole thing is that this is largely a fix for a problem mechanical keyboards created in the first place - overlapping inputs are significantly less likely to occur on cheaper membrane and scissor-switch keyboards, and some players in shooters with skill-based movement like Quake deliberately use non-gaming keyboards for that exact reason:



I have a Lenovo thinkpad mini keyboard and I swear its scissors switches feel more precise and faster
 
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