-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Rebs Gaming: Inside how 343 Industries Leadership ruined Halo: Infinite Campaign
Robb
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Folks disagreeing on an aspect of a game is the opposite of "hive mind mentality".
Last edited:
D
Deleted member 848825
Unconfirmed Member
GOTY though? That 600 vote by the sounds of it was made up of
adamsapple
&
Negotiator101
voting 300 times each lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The best FPS SP campaign this generation, at least in terms of game play. Folks may have their issues with how it discarded previous narrative but that's a different matter.
GOTY though? That 600 vote by the sounds of it was made up of
Last edited:
Topher
Identifies as young
Eh.....I'd say the opinion that is the "best SP campaign this generation" in gameplay is held by a very small minority such as yourself. Obviously you are free to have that opinion, but let's not frame it as if it is the consensus.
Last edited:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But I will rephrase it to say best FPS, not best wholesale.
Good FPS based campaigns are very few and far this generation.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Nor should it. It also serves as a reminder to anyone trying to gauge GAF's temperature with a new release.
Last edited:
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
They are great FPS campaigns. But we’re getting away from the original comment I replied to.
When people are listing best single player games they’re saying Mario, Zelda, God of War, Last of Us, etc…not those games.
Unless that person meant in the context of FPS genre. In that case I misunderstood.
Last edited:
Buggy Loop
Member
Gudji
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Your reply was talking about FPS games and suggesting Halo Infinite isn't in the "best single player"conversation because FPS in general are not. That is not necessarily true. Half-life 2 is consistently in the conversation for best single player games ever. The question then becomes how big of a list are we talking about. Top 10? Top 100? In either case, the campaigns of the games I listed are typically going to make it into the conversation before Halo Infinite except for diehard Halo fans.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
True. In my head I was thinking top ten.
Havoc2049
Member
They even did a horrible job at the GAAS part, as months and months would go by between updates. By the time Infinite started to receive a steady flow of updates, the vast majority of the player base had left for good, as 343 missed the window to keep a large player base and have a successful GAAS game.
Bonnie Ross had years and years of incompetence, spaning multiple releases. Bonnie comes across to the public as a very likable person and in the begining, it seemed like the fan base wanted to like her, but after multiple failures and Microsoft PR letting the fan base know that she was a female, it became obvious that the only reason she wasn't being replaced, was because she was female. Microsoft bet their biggest franchise on her multiple times and she failed each time, although I thought Halo 4 was solid, the most feature complete at launch and had the best post launch support out of the 343 Halo games.
mayham2199
Member
I wasn’t here but yea that was surprising. Until I looked up the games released in 2021 and then it made more sense.
avin
Member
It's the first I'm hearing of this. But yes, if the voting mechanism allowed spamming, then it isn't a meaningful result. That's good to know.
It also means none of the other results in previous years are meaningful either, until the change you mention.
avin
Last edited:
Saber
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
343 leadership behind the scenes:
Plus counting that money Phil just kept handing them
People would be shocked at the figure Ybarra threw out one night the tab had gotten close to
gothmog
Gold Member
Microsoft culture at its finest. Throw money at it.Plus counting that money Phil just kept handing them
People would be shocked at the figure Ybarra threw out one night the tab had gotten close to
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It looked like shit for sure. Crappy outdoors. Shitty repeated indoor environments. It looked really bad for a 500 million dollar budget game.
RaptorGTA
Member
I honestly enjoyed the campaign. Enjoyed it way more then the last game.
Idk, there were a few scenes I really enjoyed between chief and cortana. I am surprised there was no expansion to the campaign.
Also, hearing mismanagement occurring in the gaming industry is par for the course anymore. Hell, the behind the scenes of Halo 2 showed mismanagement back then.
Idk, there were a few scenes I really enjoyed between chief and cortana. I am surprised there was no expansion to the campaign.
Also, hearing mismanagement occurring in the gaming industry is par for the course anymore. Hell, the behind the scenes of Halo 2 showed mismanagement back then.
DragonNCM
Member
Codes 208
Member
It was ok. 6/10 for me. The open world aspect was neat, and the story was leagues better than 5. Also I liked the banished as a covie replacement (but Im one of the few people that actually likes halo wars)
But heres the issues:
-it took a year just to get co-op and level selection added in. And once you beat the campaign and found all the goodies prior to that update, continuing just felt hallow.
-lack of environments, seriously, for such a bigass map, WHY IS IT NOTHING BUT PINE??
-the story felt like a in-between. A small leap into something bigger considering the only real accomplishment we make is killing Escharum
-bosses being nothing but bullet sponges =/= fun (but the elite of the tower cracked me up at least)
-not only did the flood not come back but they blue balled us on this “bigger” threat called the endless. They pulled a godamn destiny with the “darkness” (the joke being when destiny first came out, even bungie wasnt entirely sure what the darkness was yet)
Oh, and also how it once again had tremendous focus on extended universe stuff. Like yeah, we know cortana is dead but youd have to read the books to understand how that alone stopped the created or how atriox escaped the ark, and where the weapon came from.
Last edited:
Mortisfacio
Member
I actually really enjoyed the campaign. My only actual complaint with the campaign was the same environment the entire time. Would have liked some sort of terrain change or something.
It's the multiplayer that sucked for me. So much wasted time exiting and relaunching the game to fix de-sync issues and wasted time trying to complete challenges that kept resetting and would only "stick" if I either completed the challenge in a single match or relaunched the game so my progress would save.
It's the multiplayer that sucked for me. So much wasted time exiting and relaunching the game to fix de-sync issues and wasted time trying to complete challenges that kept resetting and would only "stick" if I either completed the challenge in a single match or relaunched the game so my progress would save.
Codes 208
Member
Tbf halo 2 wasnt designed around being a gaas, the multiplayer was tacked on and was an accidental success. Bungie dug deep into that one and made the decision to split it into two games (since halo 3 wasn’t originally planned)
Thats another thing, halo infinite was intentionally meant to be a gaas, it launched with less content than either 2, 3 and Reach and it took 3 seasons (15 months btw) for the multiplayer to finally be decent, how the hell do you fuck up that badly?
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The media cheered Bonnie Ross as director ONLY because she was a woman. You can see the articles in this thread. So, if the only relevant trait for a person to be in charge of 343 is her gender it's fair that she is questioned for that same reason. It's very simple logic, no need to call names.
Balducci30
Member
I liked the campaign tho
Balducci30
Member
Agreed on all fronts - the game is just fun to play. They just need to iterate on the open world and make it better (I do not care about the story, never have)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I didnt see goty in the campaign. it was competent at best. devoid of any sense of epicness and scale that made bungie halos so great.
the open world was standard ubisoft fare. except for the fact that you could upgrade very little.
the story was lacking from the short time i played. i might give it another shot but honestly shocked to see it win goty over it takes two or resident evil village. its a good 7/10 game like ratchet.
the open world was standard ubisoft fare. except for the fact that you could upgrade very little.
the story was lacking from the short time i played. i might give it another shot but honestly shocked to see it win goty over it takes two or resident evil village. its a good 7/10 game like ratchet.
Krappadizzle
Member
Dishonored, Prey, Bioshock, Titanfall 2, Metro Exodus, Wolfenstein, System Shock .. There are plenty to pick from for single-player potential goats depending on preference. Admittedly, most developers of the genre aren't chasing the single-player demo though, so it's almost always an afterthought comparatively, but there's still plenty. And even some really potential bangers on the horizon, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 could be amazing if it's given the love and attention the series needs.
Varteras
Gold Member
LavitzSlambert
Member
Dude has no idea what he's doing. People hate Phil Spencer but his biggest fault keeping Booty in a position of power.
looking at her face i see some kamala harris in thereWhat matters is that a brave and stunning woman was put in charge to lead one of the most famouns franchises in gaming.
Doesn't matter if the game was a sucess or not, that wasn't the point.
Just for the gameplay and the fact the game (really really) sticks to the basics of Halo in terms of sandbox/enemies it's more enjoyable not only than Halo 5 but also than the borefest that is Halo 4 campaign, no cap.
And this whole year was absolutely dogshit so i can understand the forum's choice despite the campaign being clearly bareboned/unfinished/mediocre, most people probably missed Returnal when it came out.
I would still chose Halo Infinite for the moment-to-moment gameplay over a gimmicky game like It Takes Two, or a Psychonauts 2 that's not satisfying to play.
And this whole year was absolutely dogshit so i can understand the forum's choice despite the campaign being clearly bareboned/unfinished/mediocre, most people probably missed Returnal when it came out.
I would still chose Halo Infinite for the moment-to-moment gameplay over a gimmicky game like It Takes Two, or a Psychonauts 2 that's not satisfying to play.
Last edited:
March Climber
Member
I liked the campaign a lot too, but I could tell there was one big problem with it’s development: Whoever designed all of the boss fights in tiny open arenas felt like they were developing them for a first person 1v1 melee system that didn’t exist.
It was immediately more apparent on harder difficulties where you had to either cheese them or play the RNG game in order to progress.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I'm triggered
bender
What time is it?
BlackTron
Member
This is exactly it. It may not be some amazing new thing, but at least it delivers a new game that is actually Halo in its bones. Infinite is more Halo than TOTK is a Zelda, despite the ludicrous gap in quality and creativity between these titles.
CoreyFlawless
Member
The campaign and mp was good. It was fun to play. But I just didn’t care for any of the new mp content. Just couldn’t hold me in. After the first 4 months i believe. I was done. Hadn’t look back and don’t care too I guess. But I had fun as hell playing it when I did.
JimmyRustler
Member
I can only imagine with dread how it is to have someone like that as a boss…bonnie ross , the franchise destroyer
We have someone like this as well in the company. Absolutely notorious for having people leave left and right but nothing is done because she is a childhood friend with the HR boss.
BlackTron
Member
It's better and I can't get enough Firefight mode now, I don't know why it took so long to update the game though. They really had a window to grab everyone and lost it.
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
Well the campaign was great, but it should be said that the game ended up a normal one and done kind of game and not the long lasting kind of gaas game Microsoft was hoping it would be.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Halo 5 gets way too much hate. Halo 4 by far was the worst of any of all the halos.
CoreyFlawless
Member
See, if firefight would had been out. I would maybe still longer and maybe it could had hook me to stay more idk.
iHaunter
Member
Was literally a copy/paste building and all you did was clear them. The story was atrocious, and the characters were bland and boring.
SkylineRKR
Member
They nailed the gameplay of Infinite, but everything else was subpar. The open world was useless, and only had about 3 different mission types (like a VIP, a base and some group of enemies). Everything was copy pasted.
The actual linear story levels were decent, but there were only a handful and the last ones with the waves of flying bots sucked. It was also odd that you couldn't swap out your elite weapons in those story missions, you could only access them in the field. You'd be chucked into a loading screen each time you'd enter a story mission. These things made the overall experience feel disjointed. I think if you beeline the story you'll be done in one evening, to me it felt like there were only 5 or so story missions.
The open world was small and fearured only one type of biome. This killed the atmosphere. I much prefer Halo 3's settings which were very varied. They should've taken this as a template, the classic trilogy wasn't open world but each chapter offered some degree of freedom in tackling your opponents.
The actual linear story levels were decent, but there were only a handful and the last ones with the waves of flying bots sucked. It was also odd that you couldn't swap out your elite weapons in those story missions, you could only access them in the field. You'd be chucked into a loading screen each time you'd enter a story mission. These things made the overall experience feel disjointed. I think if you beeline the story you'll be done in one evening, to me it felt like there were only 5 or so story missions.
The open world was small and fearured only one type of biome. This killed the atmosphere. I much prefer Halo 3's settings which were very varied. They should've taken this as a template, the classic trilogy wasn't open world but each chapter offered some degree of freedom in tackling your opponents.