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[ShadyAcshuns]

What hyperbole are you actually seeing?

Some acting like 30fps is "unplayable" when a very large majority of people won't care. Especially a GP game that no one will be paying anything for.

 

[mckmas8808]

Well I think GamePass gives them some leaway to release a game incomplete and update it later. When you don't count on a ton of $70 sales Day 1, you don't need to start with the most polished product. So it's more of a byproduct of not having to go for millions of $70 sales in the first month or so of release.

This is a HORRIBLE excuse! Just TERRIBLE!!!

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Any game with the word "fall" in it fails it seems.

Godfall
Babylon's Fall
Redfall

Fall Guys?

 

[Denton]

They should probably just delay the console version, 30fps is disgusting.

But I want my PC version in a month, assuming it's reasonably ready.

 

[jose4gg]

I need to make a new comment because I have laughed a lot today...

I hope MS never leaves gaming, the way they plan to fail is always random and interesting, WHO TOUGHT an FPS in 2023 with THOSE graphics would be 30FPS?

Not me

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

From what I'm seeing, no one is shitting on the developer, just shitting on the decision to allow the game to be released in this state. Needs to be delayed.

First page, "keeping track of multiple users can't be that taxing".

 

[reksveks]

No, because 4K screenshots are better in 4K for marketing and we all know marketing is the priority for most AAA games.

Basically

 

[Skifi28]

I wanna laugh, but i feel like this is gonna be common on consoles. I hope i'm wrong.

This isn't really a case of "the game is too ambitious for 60fps". They're just rushing it out the door for whatever reason.

 

[Fess]

If it's a CPU bottleneck then the resolution matters very little until they fix the underlying problem.

Sure but more pixels results in lower framerate in like 99% of all games. And I don't get the obsession, especially if they add motion blur or some other effect to hide the stutter that will blur the pixels they just managed to force in there.

Just go with 1080p and don't do motion blur and it'll look better when you're actually playing it. Then include 4K and ray-tracing and the whole spectrum of things you can get there in 1fps for the photo mode if you desperately want people to post good looking screenshots on the internet.

 

[dem]

Not here to shit post by any means and while I too would have preferred the 60fps version over the 30fps 4k version, I (and none of us here) have ANY idea what those meetings looked like and what expectations were placed on the dev team.

Co-op game play in a large shared environment is difficult to do performantly. Games are not easy to make and a very V E R Y select few developers have unlimited time, talent, and budget.

Play it or don't play it totally up to you...just please stop shitting on the developer because you THINK you know what the fuck goes into making a game today.

I guess.
If they tried their best... that's what really counts.

 

[Topher]

First page, "keeping track of multiple users can't be that taxing".

That's referring to Gotham Knights

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

And they even wanted always online.
Redfall would be a 100% flop. And it might be a flop even with Game Pass. It is just collecting bad rep before launch. Does not look great, has bad presentation, runs so so, no 60 fps. And it launches close to Zelda.


I know people blame "management" all the time, but it cannot be just management - like how many delays do you need to finish the game? I wonder if situation in the gaming industry is no different from any other software development, where due to popularity more and more people join game dev while having no idea what are they doing.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

That's referring to Gotham Knights

This one referring to GK?

"This game looks like a mid-tier Xbox One game. No reason for no 60 fps mode unless Arkane is incompetent."

 

[Markio128]

They just need to rezfall to hit that 60.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

This is a HORRIBLE excuse! Just TERRIBLE!!!

But it's the truth. There are negative consequences to subscriptions services and when you change the overall goal, the main cash incentive, things change.
Hell I think GP is leading to some of these xbox devs leaving. I bet they don't get sales bonuses like they used to. If you hit people in the pocket book, shit happens.

 

[Harlock]

Gamepass don´t incentive to be good.

 

[TrebleShot]

There are three platforms

PS5
PC
Switch

 

[geary]

They fucked up...It's like some devs have their priorities in opposite direction from what the customers want. It's incredible how out of loop they are...

 

[kyoji]

To be fair to greenberg, This was during the brief period where xbox series was the 'worlds most powerful console' right before something changed and it got rebranded to the 'worlds most powerful xbox'. If you know you know.

 

[Snake29]

Lol now redfall is everyone's most anticipated game because the 60 FPS mode on console not being there at launch is the the deal breaker huh? Hopefully arkane gets that patch out for consoles soon. Man people love their negative Xbox news.

MS did this to themselves early on before these consoles were even released. They were chestbeating the shit out of it, and this is what you get...a shitty Halo game, Starfield 30fps and Redfall?

Some acting like 30fps is "unplayable" when a very large majority of people won't care. Especially a GP game that no one will be paying anything for.

Man this is worrying. This is why people don't like MS to buy up everything because they mess up everything also. This is pure damage controlling and gives a look how future xbox games quality standard will be low compared to the competition, because GP subs don't care since they don't pay per game.

This will fuck up the gaming industry with this thought.

 

[Topher]

This one referring to GK?

"This game looks like a mid-tier Xbox One game. No reason for no 60 fps mode unless Arkane is incompetent."

Well....that's just misinformed since there will be a 60 fps mode, just not at launch, but I get your point.

 

[Nydius]

Some acting like 30fps is "unplayable" when a very large majority of people won't care. Especially a GP game that no one will be paying anything for.

"The majority won't care" is top tier copium.

Both Microsoft and Sony plastered 4K/120 badges all over their top end product for marketing. As has been linked in this thread multiple times, Aaron Greenberg doubled down on 60fps as the standard output.

Stop making excuses for terrible developer decisions because the game will be on Game Pass. 30fps only from a (now) first party studio on the "most powerful console ever" is an absolute fucking joke In 2023.

 

[FBeeEye]

What hyperbole are you actually seeing?

Let's just say that the bulk of the snide comments are from people who were never going to play the game.

I have no interest in Redfall, so this doesn't bother me one way or another. But I always thought the high resolution vs framerate was always a personal preference that people respected. But all of a sudden (we know why), it's make or break for Redfall.

I would bet both my nuts that if the situation were reversed: "We're launching with a 1440p/60 FPS performance mode with a 4K/30 fps quality mode to be patched in later", it would be met with the same pearl-clutching from the concern troll peanut gallery.

Even the usual Xbox trolls on Youtube are pissed off about this because it doesn't help them with their specs list wars. But they're trolls, so intellectual honesty isn't their strong suit.

 

[mckmas8808]

But it's the truth. There are negative consequences to subscriptions services and when you change the overall goal, the main cash incentive, things change.
Hell I think GP is leading to some of these xbox devs leaving. I bet they don't get sales bonuses like they used to. If you hit people in the pocket book, shit happens.

I agree with you. I just hate that this is where Microsoft has decided to go with their gaming business.

 

[kyoji]

Some acting like 30fps is "unplayable" when a very large majority of people won't care. Especially a GP game that no one will be paying anything for.

Since u just join this forum, i will throw you a bone rookie. its ok to have a 30fps mode if you have some really good tech and graphics going on but you should STILL offer a 60fps option. Redfall has none of this going for it.

 

[Dick Jones]

Sorry to all the Green Rats not getting a 60fps version at launch. Along with the Denuvo news, it's a bit of a gut punch. I hope Arkane do well as I generally like their games, but hopefully it's the end of the bad pre launch press.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

B bluecowboys
what do you think of this fake concern even coming from hard core xbox fanboys?

 

[Riky]

To be fair to greenberg, This was during the brief period where xbox series was the 'worlds most powerful console' right before something changed and it got rebranded to the 'worlds most powerful xbox'. If you know you know.

They changed the branding when they announced the Series S so they could show the difference between the two. If you know, you know.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

"The majority won't care" is top tier copium.

Both Microsoft and Sony plastered 4K/120 badges all over their top end product for marketing. As has been linked in this thread multiple times, Aaron Greenberg doubled down on 60fps as the standard output.

Stop making excuses for terrible developer decisions because the game will be on Game Pass. 30fps only from a (now) first party studio on the "most powerful console ever" is an absolute fucking joke In 2023.

Nobody will care except for a few forum elites, and console warriors.

Since u just join this forum, i will throw you a bone rookie. its ok to have a 30fps mode if you have some really good tech and graphics going on but you should STILL offer a 60fps option. Redfall has none of this going for it.

It'll be added later on, just play something else if you don't like quality mode.

 

[Fess]

I know that it's not close to 30 FPS but it was fine when I played it back then. At least it delivered some nice looking graphics, awesome gameplay, those gun reloads were something else. Lastly it had a good scenario. It packed a great multiplayer experience and more.

I'm a nostalgic too but if we're honest many games from that era ran badly and it was only good enough because we didn't know better and had few games that ran better to compare. Even the hyped up Halo was uneven 25fps on PAL Xbox, 10/10 everywhere but the stutter gave me motion sickness so bad that I skipped the IP for years.

 

[reektann]

i cant wait to summon "the rook" at 30fps!

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

This will fuck up the gaming industry with this thought.

Maybe this industry needs a good shaking up?

 

[systemr123]

This isn't really a case of "the game is too ambitious for 60fps". They're just rushing it out the door for whatever reason.

Maybe because MS needs to release something since the release calendar is dryer than grandmas veejayjay?

 

[suspicious mind]

And thats without working on a ps version.....
I dont care as i have a huge backlog and i never play games day one because of possible achievement issues.

 

[DeepEnigma]

They changed the branding when they announced the Series S so they could show the difference between the two. If you know, you know.

 

[Skifi28]

Maybe because MS needs to release something since the release calendar is dryer than grandmas veejayjay?

Sorry, but I have no idea how dry your grandmas veejayjay is. Do tell though as I'm intrigued now.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I agree with you. I just hate that this is where Microsoft has decided to go with their gaming business.

Same. I wish they'd all just make AAA banger games and have 3rd parties do the indie/AA/mobile/live service crap.
I bought the $150 series S just to rent whatever game I want to play for a month. Until then, I don't even turn it on.

 

[bluecowboys]

B bluecowboys
what do you think of this fake concern even coming from hard core xbox fanboys?

When did I say the 60 fps is fake concern? Must be putting words in my mouth but I understand you have no multiplayer games to keep you busy.

Only one and done games that you can finish within a week lol

 

[Stare-Bear]

Microsoft first announced Xbox Series X (project anaconda) in June 2019… it's now April 2023 and they can't even push a first party game out the door that's actually finished.

 

[Tommi84]

30 fps... THIRTY FPS for a co-op shooter

 

[Punished Miku]

I mean ... I've never played an Arkane game. Maybe if I just can't wait, I'll play Deathloop this summer instead. Will probably just wait for this 60 fps patch then.

Rough.

 

[sendit]

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

When did I say the 60 fps is fake concern? Must be putting words in my mouth but I understand you have no multiplayer games to keep you busy.

Only one and done games that you can finish within a week lol

of course you didnt... because i bet you can't even "see" the difference.

 

[Fake]

No fucking way this FPS in 2023 will only run at 30 frame.

This game was like 6 years to make? WTF are they doing in all this time?

I start to believe there are a huge laundry money mafia in gaming dev. No way in fucking hell this is possible or acceptable.

There is a huge red flag here.

 

[Zuzu]

I think first person shooter games should be designed around 60fps minimum in this day and age. If it can't hit 60fps comfortably then change the design and features of the game. 30fps in first person shooters is pretty much mandatory because of the perspective and camera movement. Even more so with OLED tvs these days where 30fps often looks awful.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

Drop that resolution or whatever you need to do to get it running at 60fps. It's a coop first-person shooter ffs.

 

[kyoji]

They changed the branding when they announced the Series S so they could show the difference between the two. If you know, you know.

sure pretty riky. because they didnt know they were going to launch a series S beforehand....

 

[kyussman]

Redfall......more like REDFAIL,ha,ha,ha,ha.......see what I did there,pretty clever aye.

 

[kyoji]

Nobody will care except for a few forum elites, and console warriors.

It'll be added later on, just play something else if you don't like quality mode.

Why do people got to wait? wasnt this game already delayed? or does this launching into gamepass give it a pass when these modes should be standard at this point? just sounds like more excuses, but if you like that then do you. Either way its embarrassing. but hey at least u didnt have to pay that 70$ for it!

 

[bluecowboys]

of course you didnt... because i bet you can't even "see" the difference.

So when did I say anything about 60 fps? We were talking about a mini boss fight. Also, it looked like it ran well on ign video (might be PC version). Just a bad player is all.

However, I know you are upset because you don't have any multiplayer games to play. Just one and done.

This game will get a 60 fps mode and 0 fps mode on ps5 lol