Lucifers Beard
Member
What a mess, 4K continue to be an absolute waste of resources. Target lower resolutions at higher frame rates where possible.
Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only (4K30FPS) - 60fps to be patched in at some future point
GHG
Member
Nydius
Gold Member
Indeed. They are lowering the expectations bar to an inch off the ground. That way if it does happen to launch with something like a 40fps mode for 120hz displays they can praise it as a victory.
mrmustard
Banned
It always was. I saw the title and instanly knew this is a 20 pages thread. If this was not an exclusive game, it would be 1 page or not even a topic.
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NickFire
Member
60 fps, 120 fps, and vrr were not supposed to be just some "in-between generations" temporary thing. Why are people talking in absolutes and about casuals not caring all of sudden?
Snake29
Banned
Oh so you're a time traveler somehow you've been to the future and played starfeild already and know it's a bad game?also infinite is not a shitty game it's actually a good game that lacked launch content for sure but not a shitty game. No one cared about redfall it's been pile on on everything shown for this game without no one even playing the damn game. If this was 60 it be no news there's clearly people that have shitted on this game in other threads that are in here acting like this was the breaking point for them. So forgive me if I don't believe the massive outrage. Clearly the game has this option on pc why is it not ready for consoles I have no idea but if it comes a month later as long as the games good I don't see the issue. It's not like it's a pay to play service game.
Again, people react like this because MS did it to themselves from the start of the gen.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Haha, my reaction too.9 pages already?
Christmas has come early for (part of) Neogaf.
kyoji
Member
I think the most alarming thing about all of this is games like redfall, starfield and halo infinite dont even seem to be that graphically intensive. Kind of a red flag considering this gen hanst even really gotten balls deep yet.PS5 first party seems to be fine as well, 60fps options along side quality modes with raytracing, no need to wait months or even weeks for a patch
BootsLoader
Banned
I remember motion sickness also. Had trouble with FPS games, my brain had to calibrate first.
GHG
Member
Skifi28
Member
Did anybody ever said it was a playstation game? I'm curious.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Most people aren't warriors on GAF. They just want to talk about good games. I will admit there may be more negativity than should be healthy - but that isn't warring. Folks like DeepEnigma, Kyoji, you, and Rhodesianshepard, to name a few make up the vast majority of users.
The reason why it *looks* like console warring all the time is because the handful of console warriors left never shut the fuck up and spam endless threads. Mod team here does a good job at trying to reign it in and give people second, third, fourth, chances. Eventually these dipshits will earn a perm as they always do.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Yeah same. It prob won't be long befor it's out
R3claimer117
Member
lol let's not act like there are no other games on the system that do 60fps or 120fps at all for whatever reason redfall is the base game that defines the series x now? Lol some of you are laughable and you want to bring up the activision acquisition as metric to bash them because of redfall. It's not like the developers said it can't be done they said it will be there post launch. Now if they implemented and it wasn't stable you'll be complaining damed if they do damed if they don't story of Xbox.
Jimmyisback
Banned
Gobjuduck
Banned
Check the Activision discussion. Redfall and Starfield were never xbox games, apparently.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
holy hyperbole, batman.
R3claimer117
Member
Lmao
we all know why it's 9 pages suddenly there's massive interest in gamepass fodder redfall. Most media stories about this game on here barely make it to 3 pages lol .
Dr. Claus
Banned
Graphical intensity means nothing today. What matters more is the gameplay. Fallout 3 was never a looker, but it was a ton of fun. Meanwhile look at the games that tried to put emphasis on graphical fidelity and where they are now. Order 1886, Ryse, Crysis - they are all forgotten as they never put their focus on gameplay. Crysis is literally only ever remembered for being a graphical benchmark and nothing else.
I want Starfield to be good as its been a good 12 years or so since the last good Bethesda RPG (I wasn't the biggest fan of Skyrim after the first playthrough and Fallout 4/76 took too many steps back). I also hope MS releases a cool CE console/controller bundle for it. That fake one we had a few weeks back was absolutely brilliant.
I did. It was absolutely boring. Far too easy to stumble across the "one correct path" in how you kill each of the folks and then after that the replayability drops off the face of the planet.
Did you play it on ps5 yet?
Snake29
Banned
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Explain Destiny then
kyoji
Member
are u implying redfall gameplay looks good? lol explain
also why cant you have good gameplay without sacrificing graphics and performance?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I also want them to explain what's "so large and massive in scope" in Starfield where 60fps would be "so impressive." Especially when we have better looking open world games now at 60fps. Only thing that would be impressive, is that engine they use runs like hot trash on anything outside high end PCs whenever they launch a new game.
I'm just not seeing anything so graphically impressive in Starfield, that other games out now do much better on a visual technical level, that warrants "so impressive" if they hit 60. Unless the impressive part is due to their technical pedigree, much like Fromsoft, and that has nothing to do with "scope."
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Fess
Member
I don't do 30fps anymore for any fast game and barely even slow games. That's how I am. I'll rather play at 720p if that's what's needed for 60fps. I even played Control on Geforce Now in internal 480p or whatever with DLSS performance to get 60fps when my PC wasn't RTX capable. High resolution might honestly be the least important thing I know in gaming.
Dr. Claus
Banned
No. I am implying Starfield gameplay looks good despite its graphical fidelity lacking in many places.
Redfall looks like generic COOP GAAS Shite.
As for your edit, what you do mean "have good gameplay without sacrificing gameplay and performance"? That seems like an oxymoron. I assume you mean graphics?
In which case, why go for graphical fidelity and not a strong, unified artstyle? Its why games like Grounded, Pentiment, and Hi-Fi Rush look great. Why most of Nintendos' games look brillaint even 20+ years post launch, why WoW (despite its god awful gameplay these days) still looks distinctly WoW.
Performance is a non-issue at 30 FPS (as long as it is steady with no fluctuations). I never understood this "games are worthless at 30 fps, they should all be 60!" nonsense. Again, if that is not what you are referring to, then apologies.
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Skifi28
Member
Seems like a rather weak "gotcha". To my understanding, people were saying that it was a game that would have released on playstation if it wasn't for Microsoft's aquisiton. Which is very ikely true while also having little to do with the current discussion. Regardless of when it started development and what the original target platforms were, it is an xbox game right now and the decision to release it unfinished is on them. Who else can we blame for this? Jim Ryan?
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baphomet
Member
30fps for a game that looks like this? Lol
As soon as they said this was Arkane's Far Cry it meant I would be playing this. The last couple of weeks have just made this shit look worse and worse. Arkane haven't made a good game yet, and it doesn't look like they're about to start.
As soon as they said this was Arkane's Far Cry it meant I would be playing this. The last couple of weeks have just made this shit look worse and worse. Arkane haven't made a good game yet, and it doesn't look like they're about to start.
roosnam1980
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Nemesisuuu
Member
Human eye can't see above 30 fps.
/jk
/jk
Mr.ODST
Member
Multiple games coming out having performance issues with Xbox consoles, not sure whats going on but only difference is the Series S (And I play and like Xbox and MS before I called a fanboy) just seems to often atm.
Ill play RedFall on PC but disappointing for those on console
kyoji
Member
I dont think just having 100's of hours of gameplay will be enough to give bethesda a pass this time, their needs to be substantial substance. if this is just another one of their fallout/elder scroll games without any form of evolution then i think thats quite disappointing.
Gobjuduck
Banned
That's right. That's why it's coming in a patch later. It's just a sign that the game is being rushed out the door. Usual Bethesda fair. Not that Xbox doesn't believe in high FPS anymore.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Honestly I disagree. If this was just Morrowind or Oblivion in Space? Or Fallout 3 in Space? I would be extremely happy. We get so few of these types of RPGs anymore.
The biggest fear I have is that it will play more like Fallout 4, 76, or Skyrim - incredibly watered down and simplisitc "RPG-Lite" systems that ultimately are not fun to explore or min/max.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MacReady13
Member
And this is why this kind of thinking will be the end of gaming for me. Game pass gives them leeway to release incomplete games and update later!?? What!?
This was on my list of games to BUY on my series X. It's off that list now.
And just as a side note- every advertisement for this game shows Microsoft saying it's releasing for Series consoles, PC and Gamepass. Since when is Gamepass it's own thing? They make this game for PC, consoles and then code it for Gamepass cause that is what it would sound like to the average person reading these ads.
feynoob
Banned
Dude you don't need gamepass to release incomplete games.
Look at the state of released games these days.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
FH5's progression was broken for months and months after launch and I still believe there are issues that plague the progression (leveling up), rewards, and leaderboards till this day. You and I have been through this before, I reckon.
FH5, Psychonauts 2 etc.
Paychonaughts 2 AA was pretty much almost done before MS even bought them. C'mon son.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
FH5, Psychonauts 2 etc.
FH5 is a glorified expansion pack for FH4.
Psychonauts 2 is a multiplatorm release and was designed as such for years before MS bought out the company.
Try again.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Phil now owns Bethesda last I checked.
The buck stops with him. First party games should not be rushed out the door.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I bet this thread has more pages than any other Redfall thread before it.
LMAO!
LMAO!
GHG
Member
You would hope that the backing of a 2 trillion dollar company would reduce the need for them to rush games out the door, but alas.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I hate this direction MS is going, but GamePass is their baby and their focus. Sales isn't their incentive. PC game sales are not that huge to begin with. Games are a huge success on PC is they sell like 1 million. They have ~25 million gamepass subscribers to "deal with it".