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Reggie: Switch matchmaking and lobbies handled through phone app
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Denial. Amazing.
DrROBschiz
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I think its very important to say to Nintendo loud and clear that not having these features native to the system is unacceptable
Especially now that we have to pay for this service
Give us at least the bare minimum for our money
Especially now that we have to pay for this service
Give us at least the bare minimum for our money
No. You don't need the app to be able to play online!!
I've mentioned this twice already.
The app is for managing invites, lobbies and better matchmaking.
The friendlist is part of the free online tier, which implies that the system itself has this functionality.
Online gameplay is part of the free trial and so what exactly the app does is open to debate. By inference, it seems like the app is for managing lobbies/matches with friends.
Inference is the problem with the entire argument. We don't know exactly how the app works and exactly what/how functions are on the system. All of this needs to be cleared up by a direct and/or actual hands-on with a multiplayer game.
Dark Cloud
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yeah can you not be a douchebag? this isnt really personal for me so chill? if you view me as another fanboy "burying my head in the sand" then youre just advocating for the conclusion you've reached. an implication is not a confirmation, and to relegate people who are literally asking fucking questions about a different possibility without actually knowing for a fact yourself is not much better than being a fanboy.
the only reason they've been "vague" is because they -didnt- tell us about something.that raised questions which we now have, that are currently unanswered. being vague would be us, now, asking them to clarify, and them not answering.
DrROBschiz
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Reggie doubled down on these details pretty hard in multiple interviews
Either hes trying to sell us hard on some really bad news or he doesnt know for sure either
Take your pick
MatrixMan.EXE
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No but I think this mess of an online system will be a contributing factor to why this isn't going to sell nearly as well as some people think it is.
ok so he has implied that this app would not be available on switch itself? thats what i was asking. where?
Nah, it's been communicated pretty clearly several times and even asked and answered. The only lack of clarity is from people who don't want to hear it.
DrROBschiz
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He did interviews with Gamespot, ProJared, and many other outlets
Joelstinton14
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I don't know man, there are people attacking it that doing full mental gymnastics too. Just wait for details. We gone from no one is going to buy a switch because all the kids are playing on smartphones to (Gaf) going this is a stupid idea because no kids have smartphones. Also i think it is interesting that you say you yourself used a third party app to arrange games etc. It seems to me that is one of the main reasons behind the app.
The actual idea of the app is not bad, if it is optional. If it works out how people are imagining it, especially organising games etc with your friends away from the console, and just hitting 'go' when you get home. It is not a bad idea. It is clear Nintendo want you to engage with Nintendo away from the console. It the whole reason behind releasing games on mobile etc.
I guess we will have to see and what the whole thing entails before lambasting it/supporting it. If it is optional it is not a big deal, and i can't see why Nintendo can't drive home they would like to see people using the smartphone rather than the Switch for doing stuff like this.
If it turns out you can't do certain things without the app then there is a bigger problem. Nintendo really need to bring forward their announcements on the OS because there is too much ambiguity at the moment, and if this isn't optional, make it optional and just say it is coming in an update later in the year.
Besides being really easy to search on google for his statements, you could actually read the OP.
Voice Chat is always communicated as a pure Smartphone app. Even in graphics.
Matchmaking and Lobbys are mentioned now for the first time, but it makes just sense to put it in the same app as Voice Chat.
He could clarify when it would be on the system itself.
so many of my questions will be answered if you can show me where reggie has answered that the switch does not support voice chat itself
im actually asking
I read the OP show me where i missed the confirmation that im asking for
im asking if the switch is known to not support "smart phone apps"...
No, and I think you know that that's not what the poster means. If it bombs, it's because they didn't learn anything from the Wii U and have doubled down on baffling design choices
Even if this turns out to be some sort of massive misunderstanding, it still shows that they've learned absolutely nothing about how to clearly market features to the public.
Dark Cloud
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What kind of sales are people expecting? Bruh nobody knows the full details of this whole online thing until Nintendo talks. It could be great or good or the worst thing. Once we know the details then it will impact the Switch.
No, the poster commented on the app and proceeded to say it would bomb based off that. There's no spinning. Keep that out of my discussion.
Crazy Diamond
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Just waiting to see it in action or try it for myself at this point.
I use an earbud, the one that came with my PS4, for my voice chat. It's not some big bulky headset.
timestamp please? gotta go to work soon
DrROBschiz
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PartTimeWarrior
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So why am I paying for online again if I have to have a phone to handle all of this?
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(From Nintendo's website
Online lobby and voice chat
Our new dedicated smart device app will connect to Nintendo Switch and let you invite friends to play online, set play appointments, and chat with friends during online matches in compatible games─all from your smart device.
(From Reggie again
When asked why voice chat for Nintendo Switch will be tied to a mobile app, Reggie said, "we want to reinforce the capability to take your experience with you on the go.... The ability to do matchmaking, voice chat through your phone, it's a hell of a lot more convenient than having a gamer headset stuck into your backpack trying to do that. That's why we're doing it the way we are. We see the convenience, we see the ease of delivery. We think it's going to lead to a better experience."
But you will dismiss this too since of course he doesn't straight up say "No we don't support this industry standard feature".
According to people who made 3rd party games for Wii U the people at Nintendo who made the Wii U network had never used Xbox Live or PSN so it's not that hard to believe Nintendo could come up with something as stupid as having to use an app for voice chat and matchmaking.
Oh, you're playing the stupid game "Nintendo doesn't say anywhere that the sky is blue so it's not clear". I get it.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/reggie-fils-aime-nintendo-interview/
DrROBschiz
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yeah I dunno
The irony of all this is that you could have used to free app to leverage the free service
"Yes its not built into the system but we are passing the savings onto you with free online play"
Peter Ian Staker
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At this point they are just trying to be different just to be different.
There is no reason they couldn't have baked all this functionality into the system itself like everyone else.
There is no reason they couldn't have baked all this functionality into the system itself like everyone else.
Thank you for stating the bolded. I agree completely.
A limited version of the app is supposed to be coming in the summer, so how can the friends list and random matchmaking work, without some control of online functionality from the Switch console, itself? E.g. For Mario Kart or Arms.
I'm not sure why some people have missed all of this. If people just actually read what was available, they'd just be asking for further clarification before launch - even if that means right now, and not just accept this strange app requirement setup as fact, or as a chance to laugh.
can you just like, take a step back and have a conversation? we've literally exchanged like two posts and youre already telling me you can predict my thoughts and that im burying my head in the sand. i know i have a pokemon avatar but that doesnt mean im a brainwashed fanboy? so please just like, chill the fuck out.
listen, i understand everything thats been said. i get it. im looking at it in terms of very specific language. theyve said voice chat is done through an app. im asking if we know for sure that the switch doesnt support apps and mobile games, like pokemon go and fire emblem heroes and their new online app. explicit, specific language. its not because I want to bury my head in the sand and lick Nintendo's balls, its because I have a question about a potential reasonable theory and explanation for things. Do you get what I'm saying?
refer to above first paragraph
Unknown One
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Well the online won't be ready on launch. I have a feeling that we'll be seeing threads like this for a while.
Razgriz-Specter
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The Wii U already was, without the app.
At this point the only hope they have of me ever buying the multiplayer titles is if there's the possibility to get a sub that's literally just online gameplay for like <10 a year. I'm not paying for any of this nonsense.
People think the Switch will be a great commercial success?
Omega Kirby
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Aww yeah Arrogant Stupid Nintendo is best Nintendo
If Switch would have supported mobile games they would have mentioned that by know. We would have had some games announced etc.
And Reggie has no reason to talk and talk and talk about how convenient is to use your smartphone if the app was on Switch. Nintendo doesn't sell smartphones.
The very specific language is there, you just don't want to acknowledge it.
"You must travel by boat to go to the island" is the same thing as "You can't travel by train to the island", it doesn't need the specific formulation to understand the limitation. Logical reasoning.
so you dont know the answer to my question, thanks. dont need the implications that im a fanboy in denial or unable to think logically, thanks for that too anyways.
DrROBschiz
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I am hoping with products like these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MUANWOL/?tag=neogaf0e-20
That its an indication voice chat can be done directly on the system, and maybe the app just manages (or it can manage where voice chat will pipe through - either phone or switch). LOL if they expect you to connect this directly to your phone.
That its an indication voice chat can be done directly on the system, and maybe the app just manages (or it can manage where voice chat will pipe through - either phone or switch). LOL if they expect you to connect this directly to your phone.
I know the answer to your question. You know the answer to your question. One of us is playing dumb (hopefully), but that's fine, we don't need to interact in the future.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Everything since the 12th has reminded me of Patton Oswalt's "I want to kill George Lucas with a shovel" routine.
"Would you like some ice cream? Well here's a big bag of rock salt!"
"Would you like some ice cream? Well here's a big bag of rock salt!"
Yes, one of us is certainly unable to follow the conversation and is instead determined to make this a console warrior argument, I think you're confused on which is which.
And no, you don't actually know. You are making an educated guess. There's a big difference. Especially when Im literally asking about something specific and whether or not it has been confirmed or not. lol
I think they understand it. But I think they have goals that are not in complete sync with core gamers. Instead I believe they're trying to leverage mobile apps to push mobile users into interacting with and using the system, to make it more attractive to the casual user who used to buy Wiis and DSs and moved on to smartphones.
The problem comes with the fact that this app/functionality should be optional. You can never go wrong with options, by empowering the user to do as they wish. You offer a "simplified" level and an advanced, customizable level of functionality. Yes, it requires a bit more work on the engineering side, but it's usually worth it.
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