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Flakster99

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Was watching Berman when they announced his death, and it was tough. So much emotion in the crew as they were remising about his career and the person.

/Salute the minister of defense
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
You can have heart attacks any age. And often it doesn't have anything to do with fitness, as shown here.

There was a quite famous Cameroon footballer called Marc Vivian-Foe who died of a heart attack a year or two ago during an actual game. He was only 28.

Pretty scary.
 

Seth C

Member
Mama Smurf said:
You can have heart attacks any age. And often it doesn't have anything to do with fitness, as shown here.

There was quite famous Camroon footballer called Marc Vivian-Foe who died of a heart attack a year or two ago during an actual game. He was only 28.

Pretty scary.

Yup. Kentucky had signed a kid a few years ago. Big guy, 6'11" or so. He died on the court during March MAdness his senior year of highschool and never made it to UK. Had a heart attack. :/
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Reggie White was a consummate professional, highly regarded for his skills as an athlete and well known for his generousity off the field. He was a kind person, a spiritual person and the only Philadelphia Eagle that a born Redskin fan such as myself could ever come to respect.

It's sad to see him go, and especially to see his all-time sack record go to Bruce Smith. I wish his family the best.
 
well i remember hearing that the average age of a football player is like 55 or something. All those hits take their toll. Especially for a lineman like White who has to be so heavy for most of their lives.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Just saw this on the Fox pregame show. They went into a clip of him singing "Amazing Grace" and I got all choked up. He was one badass dude as a player and a great human being. I thought he was as much to credit for GBs success as Farve.
 

AirBrian

Member
Even though I'm a staunch Bears fan and can't stand the Packers, I always had a lot of respect for Reggie. He was a great player on the field and a greater person off the field. It's a sad day for football.

RIP
 

Flakster99

Member
Yeah, the clip of him singing "Amazing Grace" got to me too. He had a heart condition, so it wasn't a heath or football issue.
 
Somebody needs to put up a quote of his infamously ignorant comments regarding race. Never mind, found it

White said he has thought about why God created different races. Each race has certain gifts, he said. Blacks are gifted at worship and celebration, White said. "If you go to a black church, you see people jumping up and down because they really get into it,'' he said.
Whites are good at organization, White said.
"You guys do a good job of building businesses and things of that nature, and you know how to tap into money," he said.
"Hispanics were gifted in family structure, and you can see a Hispanic person, and they can put 20, 30 people in one home."
The Japanese and other Asians are inventive, and "can turn a television into a watch,'' White said. Indians are gifted in spirituality, he said.

Sorry to rain on your guys parade but the guy was as dumb as a brick.
 

olimario

Banned
mrkapawutzis said:
Somebody needs to put up a quote of his infamously ignorant comments regarding race. Never mind, found it



Sorry to rain on your guys parade but the guy was as dumb as a brick.

HEY! THIS GUY JUST DIED! LETS HIGHLIGHT ONE OF HIS WORST QUOTES!
You dick.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
The first thing that popped into my mind when I heard this news was that audio clip - it was pretty ignorant (and hilarious).

That said, there's no need to be an asshole about it, mrkapawutzis.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
mrkapawutzis said:
Somebody needs to put up a quote of his infamously ignorant comments regarding race. Never mind, found it



Sorry to rain on your guys parade but the guy was as dumb as a brick.






What so if you are "dumb as a brick" then you don't deserve to have people mourn you, STFU dude!!!! Yeah he said it but it's obvious he didn't mean it to be offensive. He was trying to say that God created all people for a reason and they all contributed to the good that is in this world. Yeah he did it in a stereotypical manner, but it's not like he was a fucking racist trying to demean people.
 

Bat

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And the NFL continues to chew up and spit out its players. Something like half of NFL linesmen die early from heart related issues. It's a major problem, and it is going to get worse as player's weights continue to increase. For all the talk about steroids, this is just as serious of an issue health-wise.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
mrkapawutzis said:
Sorry to rain on your guys parade but the guy was as dumb as a brick.

That quote, while ignorant, is both six-years-old and irrelevant; Reggie White has apologized for offending people with his remarks. I think considering the track record of Reggie White, we should accept his apology. He's said to other people that it's one of the few things he truly regrets in his life.

Reggie White was not dumb at all, though. He was incredibly smart. Being ignorant doesn't make you stupid. There's a difference.
 

madara

Member
Sad, sad news. While I didnt agree with his views on gays or way my rightwinged family worshiped him(even got his book for christmas one year that I quickly exchanged for Embraced by light) I respected guy. Good man indeed.
 

etiolate

Banned
Reggie was cool. This sucks. Even if he had dumb quotes, they were hilarious. Him and Shaq should have joined the announcing booth together one day.
 

Roshamboi

Banned
Whoa thats like me having my heartattack last year except i'm almost half his age.... This is a sad day, with lots of death. Man Xmas sucks this year.

Roshi
 

warhead

Member
Flakster99 said:
Yeah, the clip of him singing "Amazing Grace" got to me too. He had a heart condition, so it wasn't a heath or football issue.
Anyone got that clip online somewhere?
 

Socreges

Banned
Is it just me or does it seem like some of you are more upset over the death of one person (who wasn't necessarily a great person, barring sport) than with the 10,000+ dead in South Asia?

I don't need an explanation. I just thought I'd mention it. People are interesting like that.
 

belgurdo

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Socreges said:
Is it just me or does it seem like some of you are more upset over the death of one person (who wasn't necessarily a great person, barring sport) than with the 10,000+ dead in South Asia?

Ding ding ding

GAFers=sociopaths?
 
Socreges said:
Is it just me or does it seem like some of you are more upset over the death of one person (who wasn't necessarily a great person, barring sport) than with the 10,000+ dead in South Asia?

I don't need an explanation. I just thought I'd mention it. People are interesting like that.

Case in point:

10 said:
So does this mean good surf on the west coast? If so its time to ride baby

Roshi

Reggie White Dead said:
Whoa thats like me having my heartattack last year except i'm almost half his age.... This is a sad day, with lots of death. Man Xmas sucks this year.

Roshi
He does acknowledge the other deaths though so...bah he shouldn't of made such a comment in the first place though.
 

seanoff

Member
From what i know of US football he was one of the gods. RIP


Just a word tho, NFL players don't have long lifespans. Too many body building drugs is really bad for u and the beating your body takes playing also not good. Adds up to less life.


http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/living/columnists/art_carey/5038288.htm?1c


Art Carey | Big men of the NFL pay for their play later in life

By Art Carey

Inquirer Columnist

Now that the Super Bowl is over, we know which team is the best in the NFL. But a more important question remains: Is there life after football?

If you're a fan, the answer is yes. You'll find other distractions (the Pro Bowl) and entertainments (The Bachelorette).

If you're a player, the answer is not so easy. Yes, there is life after football, but in light of the pounding the body takes, how long and what kind?

Locker-room lore has it that the life expectancy of a typical pro football player is 55. Experts say that number is apocryphal, that it's more likely in the low to mid-60s. Still, that's a good 10 years shorter than the life expectancy of your typical pencil-necked geek or newsrag scribbler. Moreover, some retired players, especially linemen, spend their waning years as physical and mental wrecks.

In September, Mike Webster, who played center for the Pittsburgh Steelers from 1974 to 1988, died at age 50. Webster epitomized toughness, playing six straight seasons without missing an offensive down. That's how he earned the nickname "Iron Mike."

But Webster paid a price. He took so many punishing hits and suffered so many concussions that by his 40s he literally began losing his mind. He had trouble performing simple tasks, and his mental state resembled that of a punch-drunk boxer.

What killed him, though, was not a broken brain. Iron Mike died of a clogged heart. In that and other ways, he's a poster boy for the fate that may befall many of his gridiron brethren.

Kevin Guskiewicz is a professor of exercise and sport science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and director of the Center for the Study of Retired Athletes. A graduate of West Chester University, he worked for the Steelers for three years as a trainer.

Guskiewicz and his colleagues are studying the health and fitness of about 2,700 retired pro football players, ages 27 to 94. They are focusing on post-concussion mental decline, osteoarthritis, and cardiovascular disease.

Not surprisingly, the trench warriors, offensive and defensive linemen, are the most battered (average playing career of an offensive lineman is only 3.7 years). Nearly half suffer from achy joints and other skeletal ailments; roughly half over age 50 have high blood pressure and heart disease. Says Guskiewicz: "Those are some pretty alarming numbers."

They jibe with a 1994 study conducted by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health. After examining the medical records of more than 7,000 athletes who played in the NFL from 1959 to 1988, NIOSH researchers found that offensive and defensive linemen had a 52 percent greater risk of dying from heart disease than the general population. Compared with other players, linemen were three times more likely to have heart trouble.

"Clearly, the increased body size typical of these positions is contributing to this substantial risk," the study says. Players in the largest body-size category, 64 percent of all linemen, were six times more likely to develop heart disease than folks of normal size.

(The New England Journal of Medicine reported last week that tests conducted last summer of 52 NFL players, 34 percent of them linebackers, showed evidence of sleep apnea, a breathing disorder that also may put them at risk for high blood pressure, heart disease, and stroke.)

Football players over 300 pounds once were remarkable. Now, they're common. The number has climbed from about 50 in 1990 to more than 300 today, according to NFL figures.

The body mass index, or BMI, is a ratio used to assess whether you're carrying a desirable amount of weight for your size. A BMI in the low 20s is ideal. If your BMI is over 25, you're considered overweight. If it's over 30, you're considered obese and you're jeopardizing your health. The BMIs of most football linemen are in the mid to upper 30s.

"Beginning in the '70s, they began building football players bigger and stronger," Guskiewicz says. "We began seeing a linear trend of increasing BMIs that has yet to level off. They're packing more muscle on the frame, loading it with more weight, which puts more stress on the heart and joints. Once the cartilage breaks down, it's gone for good."

The BMIs of pro football players are misleading because so much of their mass is muscle. But to maintain it, many consume huge quantities of food - 6,000 to 10,000 calories a day, much of it rich in fat. And mobilizing that mass, whether brawn or flab, is a big strain on the heart. Says Pierce Scranton, former team doc for the Seattle Seahawks: "Three hundred pounds of pumping is still 300 pounds of pumping."

God may be an NFL fan, but no way did the Chief Engineer envision Jon Runyan versus Michael Strahan when he designed the body. Ask players how they feel the day after a game, and invariably they'll say, "Like I've been in a car wreck."

"These guys have amazing speed, and when you combine that speed with that mass, it creates a collision that exceeds normal human physiology," says Art Bartolozzi, former team physician for the Eagles. "I've seen ruptured tendons, knees ripped apart, very serious foot and ankle injuries, and everybody has a crooked finger."

"The hands are the body part that definitely hurts the most," Eagles defensive end Brandon Whiting says. "They get beat up all the time. I have fingers that don't bend all the way. Your fingers get jammed, they get caught between helmets and face masks."

Because of the nature of their work - exploding from a crouch or squat and bashing into a rampaging refrigerator - many retired linemen have bad backs, the result of cracked spines and ruptured disks. All the shocks and impacts register in the bones and joints, with cumulative consequences.

Guskiewicz, of the Center for the Study of Retired Athletes, talks of "a snowball effect." After retiring, many football players become depressed, he says. They deal with it by eating too much and not exercising. Some are so accustomed to pigging out, they can't cut back. Many don't exercise because they're crippled by arthritis. The heavier they become, the more difficult it is to move, the more painful their joints, and the more imperiled their hearts.

"A significant number of players have all these things occurring at once," Guskiewicz says. "By age 50, they're walking nightmares."

"You look at some of the guys who played in the NFL 10 or 15 years ago, and they all look so much older than they are because their bodies took such a beating," Whiting says. "It's a trade-off, a Faustian bargain. You get paid lots of money in your 20s to play a game you love. And you know by the time you turn 40 you'll have arthritis and a bad back and wake up every morning in pain."
 

snapty00

Banned
Holy crap.

I didn't really keep up with him, but had he had any signs of heart trouble before now? Or was it extremely sudden?
 

MASB

Member
Socreges said:
Is it just me or does it seem like some of you are more upset over the death of one person (who wasn't necessarily a great person, barring sport) than with the 10,000+ dead in South Asia?

I don't need an explanation. I just thought I'd mention it. People are interesting like that.
I know you were trying to prove a point, but the point is so obvious that it didn't need to be pointed out, unless yoiu meant it in a derogatory manner. Lots of people died in Asia. Well now that's a terrible thing, but I doubt anyone or hardly anyone here at GAF knew or knew of a person there that has died in that event. For good or for bad, for most people they're just a number.

By the same token, I doubt anyone here, both his fans and detractors, really knew Reggie White. But the media does breed a certain sense of familiarity. At any rate, you at least know of the man and something about him, something that can't be said as regards us and the people in Asia.

So to criticze (or observe in a possible derogatory manner) people for not sufficently making over the tragedy in Asia is ridiculous. If a person you know dies (relative or friend) should you feel worse over that than 10,000 Asians you don't know dying? Heck yes! Unless you're a human who has lost all human emotion and looks at death on a statistical scale instead of what those deaths personally mean to you. Should you feel worse about the death of a person you at least know something about instead of people you've never heard of? Yes, you should be able to, without criticism. To think that people should feel the tidal wave deaths are a terrible thing is right. To think they should care beyond that is asking something that few humans who have human emotions can do.

But don't worry, like 9/11 I'm sure some nut will dedicate an emulator to the victims of the tidal wave tradegy two years after the event. So they'll be inordinately mourned by someone who doesn't know a thing about them beyond their deaths.
 

pilonv1

Member
Massive heart attack at 43? Sounds more like a steroid & drugs related wrestling death. Although he did have a match sometime in the 90's.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
joseph_stalin.jpg

"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic."
- Joseph Stalin
It is far easier to relate to the death of one than the death of many, especially considering the numbers involved in the South Asia tragedy, plus our familiarity with Reggie White. Wrapping your head around the deaths of thousands is an extremely difficult feat for anyone - of course the death of someone who you "know" is going to hit harder. That's not an indictment on anyone here, just simple fact.
 
There's also this lovely quote from the same speech he gave about race that was quoted earlier:

Homosexuality is a sin, and the plight of gays and lesbians should not be compared to that of blacks, White told lawmakers.

"Homosexuality is a decision, it's not a race," White said. "People from all different ethnic backgrounds live in this lifestyle. But people from all different ethnic backgrounds also are liars and cheaters and malicious and back-stabbing."

Sorry, but that last analogy is wildly ignorant and grossly offensive. Just because he "apologized for any harm" his words "may" have caused doesn't let him off the hook. He used his celebrity as a sports icon to be heard as a minister and he spewed stuff like that. Nasty.
 

Socreges

Banned
MASB said:
I know you were trying to prove a point, but the point is so obvious that it didn't need to be pointed out, unless yoiu meant it in a derogatory manner. Lots of people died in Asia. Well now that's a terrible thing, but I doubt anyone or hardly anyone here at GAF knew or knew of a person there that has died in that event. For good or for bad, for most people they're just a number.

By the same token, I doubt anyone here, both his fans and detractors, really knew Reggie White. But the media does breed a certain sense of familiarity. At any rate, you at least know of the man and something about him, something that can't be said as regards us and the people in Asia.

So to criticze (or observe in a possible derogatory manner) people for not sufficently making over the tragedy in Asia is ridiculous. If a person you know dies (relative or friend) should you feel worse over that than 10,000 Asians you don't know dying? Heck yes! Unless you're a human who has lost all human emotion and looks at death on a statistical scale instead of what those deaths personally mean to you. Should you feel worse about the death of a person you at least know something about instead of people you've never heard of? Yes, you should be able to, without criticism. To think that people should feel the tidal wave deaths are a terrible thing is right. To think they should care beyond that is asking something that few humans who have human emotions can do.

But don't worry, like 9/11 I'm sure some nut will dedicate an emulator to the victims of the tidal wave tradegy two years after the event. So they'll be inordinately mourned by someone who doesn't know a thing about them beyond their deaths.
Oh Jesus Christ...

Socreges said:
I don't need an explanation. I just thought I'd mention it. People are interesting like that.
I said that to avoid posts like yours (though I never imagined one so long and intense :lol). I know WHY people do it (there have been academic papers explaining it much better than you did). I just wanted to draw the correlation between one man's death (who was not that great a person) and that of several thousand. Scale is significantly less important than a minor emotional attachment. "People are interesting like that".

Talking about "doesn't need to be pointed out", wow. The fact is that two 'tragedies' happened on the same day, and I thought it was interesting to compare the reactions.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Mercury Fred said:
Sorry, but that last analogy is wildly ignorant and grossly offensive. Just because he "apologized for any harm" his words "may" have caused doesn't let him off the hook. He used his celebrity as a sports icon to be heard as a minister and he spewed stuff like that. Nasty.

He also hasn't done anything with the church in years and was learning Hebrew to go to Israel to learn the fundamentals of religion.

His ministry days were behind him. The guy was completely different near the end of his life.
 
Mercury Fred said:
There's also this lovely quote from the same speech he gave about race that was quoted earlier:



Sorry, but that last analogy is wildly ignorant and grossly offensive. Just because he "apologized for any harm" his words "may" have caused doesn't let him off the hook. He used his celebrity as a sports icon to be heard as a minister and he spewed stuff like that. Nasty.


It is not necessarily wildly ignorant and being grossly offensive is something we all are at some point. The fact that the plight of african american's was being used by homosexuals as a tool and weapon in their battles was probably wildly ignorant and grossly offensive to him when he made those comments and he has a valid point as there is a disconnect. He may not have used the most endearing terms to you personally, but no one can express oneself without offending someone.
 
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