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Report: ISIS now has 3 fighter jets

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Jarrod38

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/world/meast/isis-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Could ISIS fighters be training as warplane pilots capable of turning their weapons on coalition aircraft?

That's the worrying prospect suggested by an unverified report from the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights that ISIS has three warplanes in its possession in northern Syria.

The Syrian opposition group also claims, citing reliable sources in Syria, that former Iraqi military officers are training members of the Sunni extremist militant group to fly them.

The planes are at the Al-Jarrah military airport east of the contested city of Aleppo, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

The former Iraqi military officers are among those who have joined ISIS, and people living near the airport have said that they recently saw an airplane flying at low altitude after it took off, according to the Observatory.

Information on how the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which calls itself the Islamic State and is also known as ISIL, obtained the planes, or the trainees' previous level of familiarity with flight, wasn't immediately available.

CNN has not independently verified the report.

However, the U.S. Central Command sought to pour cold water on the report.

"We're not aware of ISIL conducting any flight operations in Syria or elsewhere," said spokesman Col. Patrick Ryder.

"We continue to keep a close eye on ISIL activity in Syria and Iraq and will continue to conduct strikes against their equipment, facilities, fighters and centers of gravity, wherever they may be."

ISIS has captured large swaths of northern and eastern Syria, as well as parts of western and northern Iraq, for what it says is its new Islamic caliphate.

Kobani airstrikes target ISIS

This week has seen an increased number of U.S. airstrikes against ISIS in the northern Syrian city of Kobani, about 90 miles (145 kilometers) northwest of Aleppo.

The strikes are helping Kurdish fighters on the ground push back ISIS militants in the Syrian town, according to sources there.

The Pentagon said its increased focus on the area reflected greater opportunity rather than a strategic shift with regards to the importance of helping the Kurds hold Kobani.

"What makes Kobani matter for us from an airstrike perspective is that (ISIS is) there, and that they want it," said Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman.

Retired Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt told CNN Friday that Kobani is not tactically or militarily very important -- but has taken on a certain significance.

"It's a small little town along the border with Turkey, he said. "However, it has attracted the attention of the world.

"The world is watching the coalition fight ISIS and, because of that, a victory by either side in Kobani will have a psychological and strategic communication victory that far outweighs the tactical military victory to whichever side wins."

In recent weeks, administration and U.S. defense officials have said it wasn't essential to keep the city, on the border with Turkey, from becoming the latest in Syria to fall into ISIS hands.

Anbar advances

Meanwhile, in Iraq's western Anbar province, ISIS militants have tightened their grip over an area about 15 miles south of Falluja, a provincial official said Thursday.

ISIS has brought many of its fighters, armed with heavy weaponry and machinery, in order to attack and control the town of Amiryat al-Falluja, the head of the town's council, Shaker Mahmoud, said Thursday.

Mahmoud urged the Iraqi government to send military reinforcements to support the security forces inside the town.

The deputy head of the Anbar provincial council, Falleh al-Issawi, told CNN by phone Friday that a curfew has been imposed on the city of Ramadi until further notice.

This was prompted by fear of potential suicide attacks by ISIS fighters, particularly during Friday prayers, he said. The curfew was imposed Thursday night.

Al-Issawi told CNN the situation in Ramadi was critical, with "heavy clashes between Iraqi security forces and their supporters from one side and the ISIS militants from another."

Car bomb attacks claimed by ISIS targeted Shia areas of Baghdad Tuesday, killing at least seven people and injuring more.
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Those pilots will not last long once they come across a US fighter jet.
 

Krejlooc

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Nope.
There's no way a militia can learn how to fly these things like that. The amount of training and flight hours needed to be even a little bit competent is beyond what these guys have right now.
Its worrying that they have access to such hardware, but i don't believe for one moment they are capable of piolting jets.
 

Jarrod38

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Nope.
There's no way a militia can learn how to fly these things like that. The amount of training and flight hours needed to be even a little bit competent is beyond what these guys have right now.
Its worrying that they have access to such hardware, but i don't believe for one moment they are capable of piolting jets.

It would be like a real life Battlefield 4 moment crashing before they take off.
 

Slayven

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Nope.
There's no way a militia can learn how to fly these things like that. The amount of training and flight hours needed to be even a little bit competent is beyond what these guys have right now.
Its worrying that they have access to such hardware, but i don't believe for one moment they are capable of piolting jets.

Planes require a lot of support, would they have the capability to keep them in the air that long?
 

Not Spaceghost

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What type of planes? Some old MIGs?

Probably,some MiG-21s or 23s, I can't imagine any other fighter existing in such a surplus that they'd be cheap enough for ISIS to buy. Plus more modern jets require a shit ton more training to fly from what I understand because of all the crazy on board electronics systems.
 

ChrisRT

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The lack of training for their potential pilots, the lack of modern equipment to field, and the lack of numbers. No better story to cover, news?
 

Tamanon

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Man,the Air Force has been itching to get after some MiGs forever. Bet they're auctioning off the rights to do it amongst the pilots.
 

knitoe

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Nope.
There's no way a militia can learn how to fly these things like that. The amount of training and flight hours needed to be even a little bit competent is beyond what these guys have right now.
Its worrying that they have access to such hardware, but i don't believe for one moment they are capable of piolting jets.
More likely, trained Iraqi pilot deserters will be flying them. Even, I would be surprise if they even tried seeing how they would be shot down soon after taking off.
 

bionic77

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Is this is true this might be the easiest way to become a fighter pilot.

I don't think that you would live very long as the training is probably going to be playing a flight sim and prayer.
 

Scoot2005

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I bet the US has some well trained and really bored fighter pilots just waiting for a scenario like this.

I bet most of the civilized world has missiles that could track this bullshit and take it out of the sky while the highly trained soldiers sit there in total fucking boredom.
 

wildfire

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Planes require a lot of support, would they have the capability to keep them in the air that long?

Even if they had a dozen they pretty much would be extremely lucky to use them on a 3rd mission, so support capabilities is a much lower priority. They have the territory to hide them; but they need to stabilize and build up their infrastructure to seriously consider them as a regular part of their fighting strength. For now they are a symbolic ornament that will (should) be used for the most critical tasks a fighter jet is mandatory.
 

Jackpot

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However, the U.S. Central Command sought to pour cold water on the report.

"We're not aware of ISIL conducting any flight operations in Syria or elsewhere," said spokesman Col. Patrick Ryder

suggested by an unverified report

Information on how the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which calls itself the Islamic State and is also known as ISIL, obtained the planes, or the trainees' previous level of familiarity with flight, wasn't immediately available.

CNN has not independently verified the report.

I think we can rest easy. Not to mention how much further radar can pick up airborne objects compared to ground traffic. You'd be sticking a massive target on yourself.
 

Slayven

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Probably,some MiG-21s or 23s, I can't imagine any other fighter existing in such a surplus that they'd be cheap enough for ISIS to buy. Plus more modern jets require a shit ton more training to fly from what I understand because of all the crazy on board electronics systems.

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Not something I want a crash course in.
 

TheJLC

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Syria still has advanced AA and US jets and bombers are always escorted by jets and usually armed with Air to air missiles. 3 jets, even if they were to be flow would get shot down from the sky. And if it were true that they had these 3 jets, they would be bombed on the runway like the jets of other nations have been in the past.
 
London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights huh? I think this orginization may be currupt. Their sources are never revealed, merely "boots on the ground" type sources.
 
More likely, trained Iraqi pilot deserters will be flying them. Even, I would be surprise if they even tried seeing how they would be shot down soon after taking off.

That would make more sense...but the article says deserters are training others to operate them...not that the deserters are the pilots.

The support these things would need though...I just can't believe it.
 
Well, if these untrained jackholes learn how to fly easily/fast, i guess it makes the Battlefield earth sequence not suck as bad.
 
Probably,some MiG-21s or 23s, I can't imagine any other fighter existing in such a surplus that they'd be cheap enough for ISIS to buy. Plus more modern jets require a shit ton more training to fly from what I understand because of all the crazy on board electronics systems.

I'd imagine the maintenance requirements, unless they have a fully trained team of mechanics/aircrew + access to all the right spare parts, would make newer aircraft unlikely.
 
Nope.
There's no way a militia can learn how to fly these things like that. The amount of training and flight hours needed to be even a little bit competent is beyond what these guys have right now.
Its worrying that they have access to such hardware, but i don't believe for one moment they are capable of piolting jets.

Let's say hypothetically they do have some way of training up a few people to the absolute minimum level of competency required to get a somewhat modern fighter aircraft off the ground and back to Earth safely. That does not account for the amazing amount of resources necessary just to keep the damn thing running. I'm far too lazy to look it up but I'd suspect it takes, at the very least, dozens of people per pilot/plane just to keep it flying. Plus munitions. Plus fuel. Plus a place to store it that our drones can't see from the sky. I'd submit that something like a fighter plane in the hands of a group like ISIS would be pretty much useless.


Also, these guys "communicating" with them:
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