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Report: ISIS now has 3 fighter jets
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Not that I believe they are a real threat but a lot of you seem to think all the ISIS fighters are just a bunch of uneducated villagers. From everything I've seen there are a good number of educated ex Iraqi and Syrian military in ISIS that probably received training from the US and other Western countries. There are most likely people in ISIS that flew those planes for the Syrian Air Force.
You could bring the red baron back to life and it won't matter if the entire airforce is 3 planes.
They would be destroyed either on the first flight or shortly after so that isn't really a big concern for ISIS. But to answer the question, IS would have problems sourcing additional fuel long before they needed to find replacement parts. The country has nonexistent industrial capabilities even with their access to crude oil.
Kotetsu534
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Only useful thing ISIS can do with them is try to flog them.
Veritigo_X
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Just put oil in the planes. Same difference.
King Cobra
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We have 195 of these ready to go, I think it's safe to assume we have air superiority.
s_mirage
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Poorly trained pilots, with no air to air combat training, in Mig-21s, are not going to be a match for any western jet + pilot. The only hope they would have is if they were equipped with missiles that outrange the AMRAMM, but AFAIK the Mig-21 can't use any that do.
evil solrac v3.0
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no they aren't. not even close.
and all of you are so quick to be so dismissive. the point isn't that ISIS can't flight and maintain these but the fact that they captured military jets to begin with! they don't ever have to fly them and it's still a big propaganda win!
lol
Takeoff will probably look something similar to this:
I feel sorry for the pilots who died there.. I believe it was a cargo jet and the payload shifted drastically in the bay. :/
EDIT: Sorry missed the Wiki that posted.
shira
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We have 195 of these ready to go, I think it's safe to assume we have air superiority.
From what I hear, American fighter pilots aren't skilled beyond anyone else in the world. It's that they are riding multi-million dollar machines. If those machines fuck up they are going to look completely ridiculous
From what I hear, American fighter pilots aren't skilled beyond anyone else in the world. It's that they are riding multi-million dollar machines. If those machines fuck up they are going to look completely ridiculous
So the hundreds of hours a year on average of actual flight time, when most row aircrew get less then 100 on average per year, the equipment, and the air warfare schools we have on a monthly bases mean nothing, huh? The internet.....
shinobi602
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Folks are missing the point, I'm not worried about air to air dogfights, I'm worried about them strapping these things with a ton of munitions and kamikazi'ing into populated areas.
Not something I want a crash course in.
Just flip everything into the "on" position, hit the pedal, grab the stick, point at the thing that needs killin' and press the red button. What's so hard about this?
Blargonaut
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ISIS today talked to us about something that's foremost in all of our minds this holiday season: presence.
Now, of course, the big item this year is air superiority. Fortunately, due to foreign allocation, many extremists and non-infidels are going to be very disappointed when they look up from under the camouflage tarp this year.
...ISIS, however, will not be disappointed, for you see... ISIS has 3 MiGs.
So, what does ISIS do first? Does ISIS wiggle the stick around a bit with the engines turned off making whoosh-boom-boosh noises; does ISIS take notes from authentic first-person flight-sim gameplay on Youtube while sitting in the cockpit, does ISIS have dozens upon dozens of combat-ready non-pilots take turns striking a pose for selfies on the wing-tops?
The answer is, of course, yes; because, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
ISIS has one in the back of the van with candy,
one under the bed at night
and one under immense geological heat and pressure for crystalline enhancement. Why? Because ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...now, ISIS realizes that while they have 3 MiGs, some of you out there may actually have a MiG of your own, and be thoroughly enjoying your stolen property too. But, imagine how ISIS must feel, with 3 MiGs; I think you'll find that ISIS is enjoying it three times as much.
Now, some of you may be thinking: it's okay, I didn't really want a MiG anyway, and that's true; it is okay. Because, you're getting shot by one anyway; because ISIS, operationally, has 3 MiGs.
ISIS put it like this: imagine you have one cake; and, ISIS has three cakes. This is like that, except you have no cakes; and, ISIS has 3 MiGs. Also, ISIS steals cakes.
One extremist only has two nipples, but ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...is it worth it to have 3 MiGs, when ISIS has its forces under technologically-advanced allied attack? Well, I submit to you that, in time, allies will inevitably disband and turn into rivals amongst themselves; whereas, you will never have 3 MiGs.
Now, you may be trying to cover for your lack of MiGs by buying an F-35; you may even say that flying the F-35 is just as much fun as flying a MiG. This is obviously the talk of somebody who does not have 3 MiGs.
Figure 1.
This graph illustrates how many MiGs ISIS has, versus how many MiGs you have. As you can see, your column has 0 MiGs; whereas, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
And so, ISIS left us with these simple words to consider this holiday season:
ISIS has 3 MiGs.
Now, of course, the big item this year is air superiority. Fortunately, due to foreign allocation, many extremists and non-infidels are going to be very disappointed when they look up from under the camouflage tarp this year.
...ISIS, however, will not be disappointed, for you see... ISIS has 3 MiGs.
So, what does ISIS do first? Does ISIS wiggle the stick around a bit with the engines turned off making whoosh-boom-boosh noises; does ISIS take notes from authentic first-person flight-sim gameplay on Youtube while sitting in the cockpit, does ISIS have dozens upon dozens of combat-ready non-pilots take turns striking a pose for selfies on the wing-tops?
The answer is, of course, yes; because, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
ISIS has one in the back of the van with candy,
one under the bed at night
and one under immense geological heat and pressure for crystalline enhancement. Why? Because ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...now, ISIS realizes that while they have 3 MiGs, some of you out there may actually have a MiG of your own, and be thoroughly enjoying your stolen property too. But, imagine how ISIS must feel, with 3 MiGs; I think you'll find that ISIS is enjoying it three times as much.
Now, some of you may be thinking: it's okay, I didn't really want a MiG anyway, and that's true; it is okay. Because, you're getting shot by one anyway; because ISIS, operationally, has 3 MiGs.
ISIS put it like this: imagine you have one cake; and, ISIS has three cakes. This is like that, except you have no cakes; and, ISIS has 3 MiGs. Also, ISIS steals cakes.
One extremist only has two nipples, but ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...is it worth it to have 3 MiGs, when ISIS has its forces under technologically-advanced allied attack? Well, I submit to you that, in time, allies will inevitably disband and turn into rivals amongst themselves; whereas, you will never have 3 MiGs.
Now, you may be trying to cover for your lack of MiGs by buying an F-35; you may even say that flying the F-35 is just as much fun as flying a MiG. This is obviously the talk of somebody who does not have 3 MiGs.
Figure 1.
This graph illustrates how many MiGs ISIS has, versus how many MiGs you have. As you can see, your column has 0 MiGs; whereas, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
And so, ISIS left us with these simple words to consider this holiday season:
ISIS has 3 MiGs.
s_mirage
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Everything that needs to be switched to on must be switched in a specific order.
OrlanisWorks
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I assume most places where they could take off would be under live surveillance and drones can simply missile them before they can get all three wheels off the ground.
depths20XX
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What are you even saying here?
ISIS is gonna make well trained American fighter pilots look ridiculous when their fighter jets randomly fuck up?
jstevenson
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oh please ISIS, please fly these in a sortie against us.
More than that. There's a lot of shit you don't want to turn on period.
It is a lot more dangerous than you'd assume. It is a big propaganda gain for them and they have the pilots to use these things. They have huge remnants of the Iraqi military army under their control. The people who actuallly used those planes in wars. Does it matter the three of them get blown up if they can even take down one US jet? What happens if you just try to divebomb an airplane with one of them? Like for instance the one where the US is launching their jets from.
You'd also assume places where you keep fighter jets are kept under live surveillance so you could strike them with drones before they ever get them. The US army knows where these army bases are and ISIS keeps conquering them. Despite the fact multiple countries are bombing Iraq already with their fighter jets... What makes you think they'll fare better at actually catching them launching one of those jets?
Funky Papa
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No. Some mercenary groups operate helicopters and turboprop planes that can be armed with light weapons upon destination, but that's it.
HOWEVER, some African nations are known for employing Eastern European and Balcan pilots to keep a semblance of an airforce. They fly, maintain and operate soviet jets and trainers with attack capabilities. I doubt they'd like to fight for ISIS, though. The entire world hates them and it would paint a HUGE target on their faces. Bombing African rebels with some minor air defences is not the same as going against American and European forces, on top of whatever Syria can still throw at them.
King Cobra
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From what I hear, American fighter pilots aren't skilled beyond anyone else in the world. It's that they are riding multi-million dollar machines. If those machines fuck up they are going to look completely ridiculous
And where do you hear this if I may please ask? Because our pilots have hundreds of hours of training and flight time under their belts. We even have pilots with thousands of recorded flight hours which is more than some countries may have period. I know the internets favorite past time is to bash on America but when you start bashing our military might, thats just crazy.
fizzelopeguss
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A lot of your pilots are being reduced to soviet level 120 hours flight time, it's fucking outrageous.
s_mirage
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Hence "everything that needs to be switched on".
To be honest, I don't think even ISIS is stupid enough to try flying aircraft without having the knowledge to at least get them off the ground. This will be more about trying to instill fear in their local adversaries rather than posing a legitimate threat to western air power. As may be the case with some of their other stolen equipment, trying to actively use the stuff could actually hurt them since they likely lack the expertise or logistics necessary to maintain it.
If by some miracle they actually can maintain their equipment, perhaps work will have to go into targeting those who are enabling them.
entremet
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The ace with the most kills recorded in also American.
I'd like to see them trying to even turn one on.
lastplayed
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Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a real challenge pressing that launch missile button before their fighters even realise they've been targeted.
Please, even Australia's current meagre operation in Iraq of like 4 super hornets would laugh at them, let alone the might of the US or any other nations operating there.
I guess if random planes started appearing on the scene there would be a greater need for combat air patrols, meaning less assets available for ground support missions. We know how long it took to establish air superiority in the previous war in Iraq against a "proper" air force. They're minimal risk to air targets. Suicide runs would be the biggest threat to ground targets, but that could be done with any number of aircraft, all of which are easier to fly and maintain than MIGs.
I guess if random planes started appearing on the scene there would be a greater need for combat air patrols, meaning less assets available for ground support missions. We know how long it took to establish air superiority in the previous war in Iraq against a "proper" air force. They're minimal risk to air targets. Suicide runs would be the biggest threat to ground targets, but that could be done with any number of aircraft, all of which are easier to fly and maintain than MIGs.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
What is that? Some kind of laser?
SparkPeople
Banned
Jesus, even with a private license that cockpit looks nerve racking.
3 MiGs arem't a concern. How they got them is. If they can source entire jets, they maybe laying the groundwork to source support systems for them.
If I was the US, I wouldn't shoot them down. I'd let the jets strain their financial resources until they began to collapse from within.
Of course if they start adding more jets, let the fireworks begin.
3 MiGs arem't a concern. How they got them is. If they can source entire jets, they maybe laying the groundwork to source support systems for them.
If I was the US, I wouldn't shoot them down. I'd let the jets strain their financial resources until they began to collapse from within.
Of course if they start adding more jets, let the fireworks begin.
TacticalFox88
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No. It's shooting bullets.
It's a Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapon System). It's how Frigates and destroyers protect themselves from missile attacks from an opposing navy.
No shit. Have a little imagination people. They are not going to try and dogfight, they are likely going to use them as suicide bombs.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Holy shit - reading the incidents section of that thing from WIkipedia is like something straight from Robocop, when ED209 goes nuts:
Imagine a few together. They operate together with the Phalanx of other ships and land based C-Ram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XceGKHATcYE
What's the story on this?Takeoff will probably look something similar to this:
Broder Salsa
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"Approves 3 trillion dollar budget for the Airforce"ISIS today talked to us about something that's foremost in all of our minds this holiday season: presence.
Now, of course, the big item this year is air superiority. Fortunately, due to foreign allocation, many extremists and non-infidels are going to be very disappointed when they look up from under the camouflage tarp this year.
...ISIS, however, will not be disappointed, for you see... ISIS has 3 MiGs.
So, what does ISIS do first? Does ISIS wiggle the stick around a bit with the engines turned off making whoosh-boom-boosh noises; does ISIS take notes from authentic first-person flight-sim gameplay on Youtube while sitting in the cockpit, does ISIS have dozens upon dozens of combat-ready non-pilots take turns striking a pose for selfies on the wing-tops?
The answer is, of course, yes; because, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
ISIS has one in the back of the van with candy,
one under the bed at night
and one under immense geological heat and pressure for crystalline enhancement. Why? Because ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...now, ISIS realizes that while they have 3 MiGs, some of you out there may actually have a MiG of your own, and be thoroughly enjoying your stolen property too. But, imagine how ISIS must feel, with 3 MiGs; I think you'll find that ISIS is enjoying it three times as much.
Now, some of you may be thinking: it's okay, I didn't really want a MiG anyway, and that's true; it is okay. Because, you're getting shot by one anyway; because ISIS, operationally, has 3 MiGs.
ISIS put it like this: imagine you have one cake; and, ISIS has three cakes. This is like that, except you have no cakes; and, ISIS has 3 MiGs. Also, ISIS steals cakes.
One extremist only has two nipples, but ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...is it worth it to have 3 MiGs, when ISIS has its forces under technologically-advanced allied attack? Well, I submit to you that, in time, allies will inevitably disband and turn into rivals amongst themselves; whereas, you will never have 3 MiGs.
Now, you may be trying to cover for your lack of MiGs by buying an F-35; you may even say that flying the F-35 is just as much fun as flying a MiG. This is obviously the talk of somebody who does not have 3 MiGs.
Figure 1.
This graph illustrates how many MiGs ISIS has, versus how many MiGs you have. As you can see, your column has 0 MiGs; whereas, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
And so, ISIS left us with these simple words to consider this holiday season:
ISIS has 3 MiGs.
Muffdraul
Member
Allah is their co-pilot.
Are you sure? I'm fairly certain Erich Hartmann of the Luftwaffe has more recorded kills than any American. By a lot.
Unless you mean in jets? In which case, I still think that one goes to Glora Epstein with the IDF.
There've been some excellent American pilots in history, but to my knowledge, none of our guys have ever had the opportunity to generate SO many kills. The Soviets in WW2 provided the Germans with an amazingly target rich environment, so their records are probably going to stand for a long time.
ISIS today talked to us about something that's foremost in all of our minds this holiday season: presence.
Now, of course, the big item this year is air superiority. Fortunately, due to foreign allocation, many extremists and non-infidels are going to be very disappointed when they look up from under the camouflage tarp this year.
...ISIS, however, will not be disappointed, for you see... ISIS has 3 MiGs.
So, what does ISIS do first? Does ISIS wiggle the stick around a bit with the engines turned off making whoosh-boom-boosh noises; does ISIS take notes from authentic first-person flight-sim gameplay on Youtube while sitting in the cockpit, does ISIS have dozens upon dozens of combat-ready non-pilots take turns striking a pose for selfies on the wing-tops?
The answer is, of course, yes; because, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
ISIS has one in the back of the van with candy,
one under the bed at night
and one under immense geological heat and pressure for crystalline enhancement. Why? Because ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...now, ISIS realizes that while they have 3 MiGs, some of you out there may actually have a MiG of your own, and be thoroughly enjoying your stolen property too. But, imagine how ISIS must feel, with 3 MiGs; I think you'll find that ISIS is enjoying it three times as much.
Now, some of you may be thinking: it's okay, I didn't really want a MiG anyway, and that's true; it is okay. Because, you're getting shot by one anyway; because ISIS, operationally, has 3 MiGs.
ISIS put it like this: imagine you have one cake; and, ISIS has three cakes. This is like that, except you have no cakes; and, ISIS has 3 MiGs. Also, ISIS steals cakes.
One extremist only has two nipples, but ISIS has 3 MiGs.
...is it worth it to have 3 MiGs, when ISIS has its forces under technologically-advanced allied attack? Well, I submit to you that, in time, allies will inevitably disband and turn into rivals amongst themselves; whereas, you will never have 3 MiGs.
Now, you may be trying to cover for your lack of MiGs by buying an F-35; you may even say that flying the F-35 is just as much fun as flying a MiG. This is obviously the talk of somebody who does not have 3 MiGs.
Figure 1.
This graph illustrates how many MiGs ISIS has, versus how many MiGs you have. As you can see, your column has 0 MiGs; whereas, ISIS has 3 MiGs.
And so, ISIS left us with these simple words to consider this holiday season:
ISIS has 3 MiGs.
The US owns 20 MiG-29 Fulcrums, an additional one is on display in a museum, and a slew of modern Sukhoi fighters.
Edit: They picked up 1-2 more from Iraq if I recall correctly.
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