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old. we talked about br good and bad. console gamers live in a world of compromises.

end of the day sobots will overplay it. xbots will underplay it. it is inbetween that is real.

btw iso size dun make big games imo.


_leech_ said:
You guys have to stop asking, "what are they doing that's taking up 22GB?", and start asking, "what can they do now that they have up to 25/50GB of space?" The answers become clear (uncompressed audio being the obvious one).

i thought dolby digital live is encoded + compressed audio?
 
I have no idea how much it'll cost but I read somewhere that PS3 games might be costing between $60-$70

BTW, who'll be able to notice the difference between compressed and uncompressed textures and stuff? I mean, I understand someone will a fancy sound system will notice the differences in compressed and uncompressed sound but wouldn't visuals look almost the same either way?
 
firefoxsux said:
old. we talked about br good and bad.
:lol Yes, we "talked" about it. More like everybody talked at each other. Now, we have the benefit of real data starting to filter in to help assess how things will truly work out.
 
don understand what you want to tell me?

but my conscience is clear. we talked about br good and bad. it is inbetween

i think to assess more imo the data is insufficient to process it out.

note: i am not saying br is bad with the statement.
it is good and bad. talked before. compromises brudder.
 
Zoramon089 said:
So, assuming the game will cost $70 how much do you guys think it'll need to sell for them to break even?


I think the game will cost $79.99!! For realz.

dur dur dur....
 
firefoxsux said:
don understand what you want to tell me?

but my conscience is clear. we talked about br good and bad. it is inbetween

i think to assess more imo the data is insufficient to process it out.

note: i am not saying br is bad with the statement.
it is good and bad. talked before. compromises brudder.

YO! You need to speak english mother****er!
 
firefoxsux said:
don understand what you want to tell me?

but my conscience is clear. we talked about br good and bad. it is inbetween

i think to assess more imo the data is insufficient to process it out.

note: i am not saying br is bad with the statement.
it is good and bad. talked before. compromises brudder.

What exactly is "bad" about BD, and what don't you understand about kaching's post that now we have more info (and I consider a 22 GB first gen game some pretty interesting info) to talk about how useful BD is?
 
Doom_Bringer said:

Just your wording really. Leave the bans or threats of bans to the mods, though feel free to discourage someone from personal attacks through other means. Also, he was just quoting firefoxsux's tag, if you didn't notice ;b

Anyway, no big deal.
 
firefoxsux said:
don understand what you want to tell me?

but my conscience is clear. we talked about br good and bad. it is inbetween

i think to assess more imo the data is insufficient to process it out.

note: i am not saying br is bad with the statement.
it is good and bad. talked before. compromises brudder.
I'm glad your conscience is clear about trying to brush off further conversation on the topic at the first glance of real data coming in on the subject ;)

Considering that the "bad" stance on BR has basically been that it's an expensive addition to a console *and* it won't be necessary for games in the near future, I'd say knowing that at least one launch game for the PS3 will in fact need the space BR affords is worth beginning to re-examine things. Because, you know, you haven't been the only one involved in these conversations and not everyone has taken such a "reasonable" approach as yourself ;)
 
forgeforsaken said:
Using the space and needing the space are two different things.

And how do you know it doesn't "need" the space? In fact how do you know that many 360 games didn't need more space and developers were forced to cut back on features/textures/models to fit their games in DVD9?

I say lets look at the facts and stop the needless speculation because everyone can create speculation adjusted to his biases (and it's easy, just look at the previous paragraph).
 
forgeforsaken said:
Using the space and needing the space are two different things.

How could devs use the space, if the PS3 only read DVD9, they would just shovel over 360 code and call it a day. :lol :lol

BR is a differentiating feature of the PS3, Suck it down X-bots!!
 
forgeforsaken said:
Using the space and needing the space are two different things.
They could cut the space the game uses in half and it still wouldn't fit on a DVD9. Be my guest and try to justify how there's no actual need for them to go beyond DVD9, because right now they'd need about 2.5 of them.
 
kaching said:
I'm glad your conscience is clear about trying to brush off further conversation on the topic at the first glance of real data coming in on the subject ;)

Considering that the "bad" stance on BR has basically been that it's an expensive addition to a console *and* it won't be necessary for games in the near future, I'd say knowing that at least one launch game for the PS3 will in fact need the space BR affords is worth beginning to re-examine things. Because, you know, you haven't been the only one involved in these conversations and not everyone has taken such a "reasonable" approach as yourself ;)


nope i don understand why you say i brush off?

xbots argue dvds can last next gen. reasonable yes. but overplay it.
sobots argue br is next gen greatness. reasonable yes. but overplay it.

both got good arguements. take a good at 10 and a bad at -10 = 0. absorb and understand.

you can reexamine resistance. can i stop you? no. its a good thing. carry on chaps.

imo data is insufficient thats all i say. you think is sufficient? :)
 
firefoxsux said:
nope i don understand why you say i brush off?

xbots argue dvds can last next gen. reasonable yes. but overplay it.
sobots argue br is next gen greatness. reasonable yes. but overplay it.

both got good arguements. take a good at 10 and a bad at -10 = 0. absorb and understand.

you can reexamine resistance. can i stop you? no. its a good thing. carry on chaps.

imo data is insufficient thats all i say. you think is sufficient? :)

You still haven't named the bad of BD. Also what do you mean by "unsufficient data"?
 
Ajax said:
What exactly is "bad" about BD, and what don't you understand about kaching's post that now we have more info (and I consider a 22 GB first gen game some pretty interesting info) to talk about how useful BD is?

there are xbots old arguements read them. i think is reasonable.

if you not happy i put a "bad" word besides br. i change the statement.

good of br and good of dvd. PEACE.
 
firefoxsux said:
nope i don understand why you say i brush off?
I think you do. But I'll humor you: It's because of the way you characterized the debate on BD as "old", as if it had already been settled, as if the arguments of its proponents and its detractors had already been clearly and absolutely balanced out against the others' arguments. You want to act as if there's nothing more to discuss, then the best way to do that is really not to say anything at all :)

cool for you pal. next gen enjoyment begins at figure 22gb.
You're showing your bias, ffs.
 
firefoxsux is probably that kid "Chap", "Chaperone", "Chaphack", etc, etc from B3D (he was banned approx. 10 times there for trolling and came back for more)

He was heavily pro-MS / anti-Sony over there, writing style seems almost 1:1 the same, except he's trying hard to be more balanced here (with not much success I might add) knowing how trigger happy mods here are.
 
kaching said:
I think you do. But I'll humor you: It's because of the way you characterized the debate on BD as "old", as if it had already been settled, as if the arguments of its proponents and its detractors had already been clearly and absolutely balanced out against the others' arguments. You want to act as if there's nothing more to discuss, then the best way to do that is really not to say anything at all

imo i don. it is old for me.

i hear disccusions from proponents and detractors. extremists but i balanced them.

my conscience is clear i always said more space is good but dvd is not omg doom3d.



You're showing your bias, ffs.
why am i showing my bias?

i asked him for gameplay data. he said 22gb is enough

maybe i don understand you?
 
firefoxsux said:
cool for you pal. next gen enjoyment begins at figure 22gb.

What does this have to do with the argument? First you're trying to stop the discussion because "we've had this discussion again". Then you're talking about the "bad" of BD which you don't specify which are, and you're trying to completely disregard Insomniac's statement and the fact that the game is 22 GBs.

Considering your post history I'd say you're desperately trying to trivialize BD as a feature on PS3 because of your console preferences.
 
Marconelly said:
firefoxsux is probably that kid "Chap", "Chaperone", "Chaphack", etc, etc from B3D (he was banned approx. 10 times there for trolling and came back for more)

He was heavily pro-MS / anti-Sony over there, writing style seems almost 1:1 the same, except he's trying hard to be more balanced here (with not much success I might add) knowing how trigger happy mods here are.

who what again?

why i must try hard? i don play much videogames now to support any company. only psp gets some playtime.

don have xbox now no plans to buy next gen consoles. I can safely assure you forums mentally is not what i am.
 
Wow.

Resistance developer: "Our game is using 22GB!"
Everyone: "uh huh"
Xbots: "WTF PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT MAKES IT A BETTER GAME!!"
Everyone: "uh what?"


Stop with the damage control, especially whent there's no damage to control.
 
Marconelly said:
firefoxsux is probably that kid "Chap", "Chaperone", "Chaphack", etc, etc from B3D (he was banned approx. 10 times there for trolling and came back for more)

He was heavily pro-MS / anti-Sony over there, writing style seems almost 1:1 the same, except he's trying hard to be more balanced here (with not much success I might add) knowing how trigger happy mods here are.

"heavily pro-MS / anti-Sony"? Are you sure? He doesn't seem like that kind of guy. Just wait till hew finishes his list of the "bad" of BR. Oh and meanwhile don't you dare to talk about BR's advantages for the PS3. It has been discussed before. Also till you play Resistance yourself you must completely ignore/disregard Insomniac's statement of the game's capacity. That's the rules.
 
Ajax said:
"heavily pro-MS / anti-Sony"? Are you sure? He doesn't seem like that kind of guy. Just wait till hew finishes his list of the "bad" of BR. Oh and meanwhile don't you dare talk about BR's advantages for the PS3. It has been discussed before. Also till you play Resistance yourself you must completely ignore/disregard Insomniac's statement of the game's capacity. That's the rules.

:lol See what I mean dudes.
 
firefoxsux said:
who what again?

why i must try hard? i don play much videogames now to support any company. only psp gets some playtime.

don have xbox now no plans to buy next gen consoles. I can safely assure you forums mentally is not what i am.
I apologize if you're not him, but just that you reminded me of him is not a good thing :P

FirefoxSux, as ironic as it may be, your post writing quality would probably increase tenfold if you would switch to Firefox 2.0b1 that has integrated instant spell checker for every text field.
 
Ajax said:
What does this have to do with the argument? First you're trying to stop the discussion because "we've had this discussion again". Then you're talking about the "bad" of BD which you don't specify which are, and you're trying to completely disregard Insomniac's statement and the fact that the game is 22 GBs.

Considering your post history I'd say you're desperately trying to trivialize BD as a feature on PS3 because of your console preferences.

i don trivalize bd. i said old extremists arguements were made. reasonable but you need to balance them, about 1st party 3rd party compromises etc.

consider my br post history. not in any matter i am desperate or downplay bd big size.



jett said:
Wow.

Resistance developer: "Our game is using 22GB!"
Everyone: "uh huh"
Xbots: "WTF PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT MAKES IT A BETTER GAME!!"
Everyone: "uh what?"


Stop with the damage control, especially whent there's no damage to control.

Correct. There is no damage control. That is what i want to say. uh-uh.
 
firefoxsux said:
imo i don. it is old for me.
Then there really shouldn't have been any need to bring it up, like I said. If you're so certain that there's nothing more to discuss, you should be able to just sit back and watch the rest of us figure that out on our own.

why am i showing my bias?

i asked him for gameplay data. he said 22gb is enough.
And that's called trying to change the subject. We're not talking about gameplay here - you made the comment about insufficient data in the context of a discussion about storage needs.

The longer you debate this topic that is supposedly all resolved in your mind, the less convincing that argument becomes. I don't want to put you in that position any more than I already have and I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I'm done discussing it with you.
 
jett said:
Wow.

Resistance developer: "Our game is using 22GB!"
Everyone: "uh huh"
Xbots: "WTF PEOPLE THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT MAKES IT A BETTER GAME!!"
Everyone: "uh what?"


Stop with the damage control, especially whent there's no damage to control.
I'd say the sony crew is playing it up while the microsoft crew is knocking it down.

5GB or 22GB...either way i have yet to be impressed by the game.

i don't really see why the game needs to be that big, but one advantage that someone mentioned was that it should help against piracy which is an advantage that i never really considered.
 
firefoxsux said:
i don trivalize bd. i said old extremists arguements were made. reasonable but you need to balance them, about 1st party 3rd party compromises etc.

consider my br post history. not in any matter i am desperate or downplay bd big size.

The good old Balance game discussion theory. Sure you are not chap??:D
 
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