No. Nobody should design their games around to sell more. Iam not saying that. Iam not sure how you design a game to sell more? Big production budget? Nobody know until you finish developing the game, and play test it. Iam sure sony and housemarque aware that they got something special on their hand. Housemarque games do not sell well in the past, and I think mostly related how difficult it is. I am sure returnal will satisfy a subset of hard-core gamers, but what about the majority of gamers who bought the ps5 and waiting for the next true ps5 games. Maybe at least lower hit damage and give more hp items. I am sure housemaque could figure it out without changing their games. I feel like they are a bit stubborn here. As a developer you want your game to be more accessible to a larger audiences. You also want your game to sell so you can sustain and even made more creative game like returnal in the future.
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Returnal Hands-On Impressions (PS5) – A Roguelike Of AAA Quality That Isn’t Pulling Any Punches
VisualFidelity
Member
The cutscenes are pre-rendered and 30fps.
UMMHHH, just no, it looks like upscaled face from PS2, does not look 3D or how to put it, otherwise games looking good.
No, as I stated, at least in soul series you can grind level and defeat certain bosses, and you don't lose most things and start from the beginning after death. I can assure you that returnal will be difficult for most soul series players because it requires mostly on reflexes. I know forum is for hard-core gamers, and most hardcore gamers prefer hard game. Trust me, you will hear more complains even from souls players after the game drop on the 30th let alone reviewers.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
That's of course fair. Full price should be for games that are 100% what you want. To me I won't drop 1$ for any souls game because they just feel too clunky and shallow story-wise and combat isn't great to my taste. It's fair to accept some people genuinely won't play some games even for free.
Personally I was skeptical few months back but now I'm 100% even though I don't like roguelike-lite games in general. Price isn't an issue here.
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Captain Toad
Banned
That's your choice. Just don't expect games this gen to drop in price as much or as quickly as they have the last two generations.
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Xenon
Member
Isn't it always that way in the beginning of each generation. Less software means less need to price competitively. So maybe they will sell this game at full price since PS5 players are hungry for a new title. But I think unless this gets a social media/steamer bump, I don't see it selling well at that price.
As far waiting. I started digging into Fallout 4 on my Series X. I think Ill be fine until a major price drop.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
See now if you paid me $500 to play Fallout for one month I won't, 100% serious. I'd rather hibernate for one month instead. Fallout 4 is the biggest regret of last gen. Would need a refund and some extra money for my spare time wasted on it. Returnal deserves full price, but doesn't mean it should be for you, at least day one.
Saying so, I'm happy you are having fun with it, and I envy Demon's Souls fans for enjoying the remake that I won't play even for free.
Keyword: Personal prefrence.
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dcmk7
Banned
I love the sound of the previews. I had been waiting for reviews but after seeing the overwhelming positive vibes I'm now day one. Sounds almost exactly my kind of game.
Only slight reservation (which might made more sense once playing) is the lack of saving mid-run, that seems likes it going to be a ballache.
Only slight reservation (which might made more sense once playing) is the lack of saving mid-run, that seems likes it going to be a ballache.
laynelane
Member
Roguelike games are not for everyone, much like Souls games. I have zero issue with a developer making games according to their own vision. Good games find an audience. Without developers taking risks and publishers to support them, we would all be playing slightly different versions of the same games. Your concerns about the price and projections about difficulty and player complaints are beside the point.
SkylineRKR
Member
While true, it reached a certain status quo at 59 bucks. And games will be measured at that price. RE VIII's RRP is 69 euros on PSN, can be grabbed for 59 physical over here. Its a proven IP, we know what we're buying. Returnal is a new IP by a studio mainly known for smaller shooter games that were priced accordingly, and they drop a game at 79 euros. The question is if that increased price is going to end up benificial in terms of sales. This game is continously up for debate when it comes to its pricing. I think the backlash would be less if God of War Ragnarok is priced at 79. Hell, Rift Apart has the same price on the pre order page and I don't read many complaints.
I think it depends on what kind of game, or IP its about. I wouldn't launch a new IP at such a risky price tbh. Returnal sounds like its fairly hardcore in its approach (which I applaud, but could be a turn off for casual audience).
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Xenon
Member
I didn't mention Fallout 4 to say it was a great game, rather to show how long I'm willing to wait to get a game. At 17.99 for GotY edition I really enjoyed it. Funny you should mention Dark Souls, I played that the following generation as well. Most major titles its worth waiting for all the patches and DLC to be included in a single package. Thing is these games usually sell well initially and these packages are put together to appeal to the more frugal gaming set.
A game like Returnal however, unlike the games mentioned above is not going to have a lot of initial sales. Especially when you consider the genre usually is a niche market that normally is catered to buy indie developers. Plus I don't think the game has much marketing. The best shot this game has being a cult hit is word of mouth. Look at Hades, that game was priced at a budget price and it blew up. That's the market they should be going for with this game.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Saving mid-run aren't necessary. You can just jump straight to where you were through shortcuts. It's more like "roguelite", there are permanent upgrades like shortcuts to jump between places or right close to your last spot, grabbling hook to enter inaccessible spots before for loot/etc, and probably a swimming tech as there was a pool with loot underneath that you can't go there.
Also you start with zero resources and 0 level gun, but you can jump to the last spot and reach a box, plenty of them, and pick up a high level gun straight from 0 to like 5 or 6 or higher. Enemies aren't that hard, the smaller ones, so it won't be an issue. Also you don't need to fight bosses you've beaten. Once you've unlocked a new area it's permanently open, same with shortcuts and some equipment.
Reviews should cover those.
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Imru’ al-Qays
Member
First time hearing these guys, they're pretty good
Maximus D. Meridius
Member
Wow, I went looking for this today, and saw that the minimum price is basically £65
last gen you still got games around £45 physical. (digital was the full RRP)
£65 fior a roguelike is mental.
Deadcells and Hades were much cheaper when I bought them, can't imagine some fancy 3d fx makes up the difference.
last gen you still got games around £45 physical. (digital was the full RRP)
£65 fior a roguelike is mental.
Deadcells and Hades were much cheaper when I bought them, can't imagine some fancy 3d fx makes up the difference.
DonJorginho
Banned
If you're willing to make a US PSN you can get it on the store for £49, let me know if you want help brother.
Maximus D. Meridius
Member
Thanks for the offer, but I'm not one for the "need a new account" that you have to have for Sony games on dfferent countries stores.
Especially if the "saving" is still more than last gen's phyisical price.
I'll wait till this is on sale, or more likely on PS+
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
This statement is getting real old - real quick..
60 bucks for a game wasn't a problem through the financial crisis - and now that we have more money (at least in most parts of the world), 70 bucks is too steep? And why is a genre of games less valuable than others? Makes absolutely no sense.
CloudShiner
Member
Pretty easy to save 15% on PSN via wallet top-up cards from the likes of cdkeys etc, so digital is never really RRP for most buyers. Takes Returnal down to about £60, for example.
Shmunter
Member
Say it ain’t so!
jm89
Member
usa price increase is not the same as the uk price increase, uk got hit much harder. We are looking at a £25-£20 price increase.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
No this is wrong again. Look at how successful the Souls games are, even without hand holding.
And it is not like that Returnal isn't full of tutorials. It is gonna be a tough game.
I'm glad Housemarque sticks to their vision and Sony is willing to support it.
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Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
Nice drive by shitpost.
Entroyp
Member
You can preorder to get the alternate suit with the tinted helmet.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It's not tinted, I think. But both look cooler. I think the game has different other suits as well.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
More like roguelite:
- There are permanent upgrades and collectables.
- Falling has no damage on ground, small health penalty for bottomless falls.
- Places you open are permanently there and you can travel there directly via shortcuts.
You only need to master your skills and it should be easy to manage. Most youtubers and jornos are shit players.
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nowhat
Member
It sure as hell ain't Avengers.
GymWolf
Member
How is sundered? I have it on the epic store but never tried.
GymWolf
Member
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Souls combat is too clunky but you like combat in ac saga...
Combat in AC games is mediocre, but at least much more agile and fluid.
GymWolf
Member
Compared to dark\demons sure, compared to sekiro\bloodborne, no way jose.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yes Sekiro better than souls games. Bloodborne looks better than the rest of souls games but still not agile enough.
skit_data
Member
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Brah I love DS but you know that skill is anything but agile
It looks flashy, but 9/10 it gets you killed
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Yep. And fuck that.
skit_data
Member
Hmm, yeah its not very good in PvP... dual wielded daggers? My point was mostly that when i play the AC series it doesnt come across as agile compared to DS3/BB/Sekiro
But! Ghost of Tsushima, thats a good combo of the best of both worlds
Bo_Hazem
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skit_data
Member
Gotta admit, the Sigrun fight gave me more trouble than 95% of the Souls-series bosses. Had to go balls to the wall runic and cooldown build to beat her, but it was a glorious platinum
sircaw
Banned
What about 500 bucks to play Bugsnax?
sircaw
Banned
Totally agree, it was a lovely fight, everything about it felt so right and tight.
Need more encounters like that in the next game.
Haggard
Banned
Nier:Automata takes that crown in my opinion, but GoW was pretty fantastic, too.
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Low Moral Fibre
Member
GoW was great in that noobs like me could play it and look good while doing it and have a great time but it had the systems in place so that good players could do just insane things.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
"Melee" combat
With Nier maybe you're referring to gunfight. I didn't play the game because the protagonist is shown as some kind of a stripper fighting giant enemies. I think anime lovers like that kinda stuff. It's the opposite of what people not liking the modest Selene here or Aloy.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yes he's an old fart but when you make him angry he becomes one, lol.
GymWolf
Member
He become a fart?!
Haggard
Banned
It´s got a lot of bullet hell elements, but in the end you`re using mostly swords. It is melee combat, the fast and agile kind."Melee" combat
I loved GoW but I really wish Kratos had more agility/reach. I always felt a bit like a tank with T-rex arms.
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