Drinky Crow
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Revolution Specs May Never be Made Public...
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PhoenixDark
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Drinky Crow said:
Drinky, do you honestly believe the controller isn't different from other controllers? Or are you just trying to make Nintendo fans cry?
Nintendo should just invest in powerful supercomputers (like RenderBeasts) and transmit everything over a network (assuming bandwidth conditions are ideal, which they won't ) so the home user doesnt have to buy a console, just a network terminal that jacks into the TV or VR glasses in the future
E&S RenderBeast
with 64 ATI Radeon 9800 GPUs, 768 billion pixels/sec more power than Xbox 360, PS3 combined and probably more power than Xbox720 + PS4 will have too 
E&S RenderBeast
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PhoenixDark said:Drinky, do you honestly believe the controller isn't different from other controllers? Or are you just trying to make Nintendo fans cry?
GAH!! DON'T TALK TO IT!!! IF YOU GIVE IT ATTENTION IT'LL FOLLOW YOU HOME!!
Really, don't get Drinky started. I already have a headache. ;p
Amir0x...
When you seem so negativly fueled to continue to argue about something you can't control...it seems like a rant to me. If you're allowed to call me out on blind Nintendo faith (which this really isn't even about) when I post my speculation (shoot me...I like to theorize) then I'm allowed to call what you do day in and day out rants!
And facts are one thing, but when you go out and say that they're hiding something 'cos they're not telling us specs then I wonder what you consider facts? FACT...they've reiterated that they believe graphics, HDTV & technical specs aren't that important to their vision...that's not HIDING...that's them telling us it won't have the highest specs. We all already know this, but you're making it out to be that they're hiding something that's going to be a crippling disadvantage, which I seriously don't understand what basis you can say that with?
Have you thought that maybe it is a strategy to bring focus onto gameplay and off of specs that only a few people can understand? Ohhhh no...they're hiding something.
And what's your deal with the whole "I'm not gonna purchase bla bla bla" who cares...if you don't want to there's 2 other choices so why whine? Besides, we'll get specs...I mean the system could be a year from release, we'll find out SOMETHING before it launches I'm sure...even if it isn't until after they show games and even if it isn't from the horses mouth.
Calm da feck down.
When you seem so negativly fueled to continue to argue about something you can't control...it seems like a rant to me. If you're allowed to call me out on blind Nintendo faith (which this really isn't even about) when I post my speculation (shoot me...I like to theorize) then I'm allowed to call what you do day in and day out rants!
And facts are one thing, but when you go out and say that they're hiding something 'cos they're not telling us specs then I wonder what you consider facts? FACT...they've reiterated that they believe graphics, HDTV & technical specs aren't that important to their vision...that's not HIDING...that's them telling us it won't have the highest specs. We all already know this, but you're making it out to be that they're hiding something that's going to be a crippling disadvantage, which I seriously don't understand what basis you can say that with?
Have you thought that maybe it is a strategy to bring focus onto gameplay and off of specs that only a few people can understand? Ohhhh no...they're hiding something.
And what's your deal with the whole "I'm not gonna purchase bla bla bla" who cares...if you don't want to there's 2 other choices so why whine? Besides, we'll get specs...I mean the system could be a year from release, we'll find out SOMETHING before it launches I'm sure...even if it isn't until after they show games and even if it isn't from the horses mouth.
Calm da feck down.
Just to add...the specs are going to be lower. Even if it's just barely under X360-level the naysayers are gonna be out in full force proclaiming Nintendo's death/Revolution's inferiority. So what good would revealing them now, when we haven't even seen the games and when the interface hasn't been publically demonstrated? I think Nintendo is smart to not talk about them, not 'cos they're detrimental, but 'cos they will be seen as a negative in some people's eyes no matter how/when they present them. Image...Nintendo's weakness...and they're doing a good job protecting it by not getting in the spec war with PS3 & X360 before the damn games have even been shown!
DrGAKMAN said:
It's, uh, one thread. And it's not a rant, it's a discussion. A logical and coherent one based on an a very silly decision. And I don't make ten threads about X subject. In fact, I make none!
But hey! This is going sort of off-topic!
DrGAKMAN said:
If we already know this, then drop the specs on the table. Pretty simple!
DrGAKMAN said:
Nope, not for a single silver second. Because, ya know, I'm not dumb.
YOU think it's a silly decision, but that doesn't mean it is. To most everyone else it makes sense and isn't that big of a deal 'cos the launch is months off and we're bound to find out specs somehow/someway...so I don't know why you're whining about it. We're gonna find out, just not at this time which is actually very wise since they haven't even shown off the games and won't until they're playable.
Why enter a spec war when most people (like yourself) have already made up their minds that Nintendo will make a vastly inferior system regardless? Why enter a spec war with the lowest specs just so that the press, the industry and even people who don't know what the specs mean can say that Nintendo is doomed? Why enter a spec war when they've already dropped the hints that they will have the weakest hardware anyways? Why enter a spec war when ultimatly that's not what Nintendo's angle is?
Why are you so offended by my posts, theories and occassional threads? Please note that I don't post as much as you, and when I do it's almost always speculative talk, not negative, non-constructive, cyber-chest beating rants or one-liners. I made ONE thread about the possibilities of a GCN CPU/Broadway helper asking basically if it's technically possible. There were actual legit responces in that topic, but you had to derail the topic by calling me out on that "Have Fun" E-Mail Nintendo sent me (...it was a joke dumbass...I didn't actually think he was hinting that I was on to something, I just thought that it was funny that he would respond with that) and my controller speculations in the past like as if you were trying to prove that I was an insane uber-dork.
It's the interweb...calm down! I'm here to speculate and converse, not tear down others to somehow prove something. I don't know why my posts offend you so much...is it 'cos of that whole sports games being fun argument we had? Deer lord man, let that go...
Those quotes that I listed above were all the answers I needed to see that I was probably wrong in my GCN CPU/PPU theory...and that's what I was doing, asking some simple questions and trying to discuss it openly. Why couldn't you try to constructivly discuss it more civilized like they had? Why did you have to use that as an oppurtunity to somehow hurt my interweb pride? (that sounds funny, HA HA HA) You're a better poster than that Amir0x.
Why enter a spec war when most people (like yourself) have already made up their minds that Nintendo will make a vastly inferior system regardless? Why enter a spec war with the lowest specs just so that the press, the industry and even people who don't know what the specs mean can say that Nintendo is doomed? Why enter a spec war when they've already dropped the hints that they will have the weakest hardware anyways? Why enter a spec war when ultimatly that's not what Nintendo's angle is?
Why are you so offended by my posts, theories and occassional threads? Please note that I don't post as much as you, and when I do it's almost always speculative talk, not negative, non-constructive, cyber-chest beating rants or one-liners. I made ONE thread about the possibilities of a GCN CPU/Broadway helper asking basically if it's technically possible. There were actual legit responces in that topic, but you had to derail the topic by calling me out on that "Have Fun" E-Mail Nintendo sent me (...it was a joke dumbass...I didn't actually think he was hinting that I was on to something, I just thought that it was funny that he would respond with that) and my controller speculations in the past like as if you were trying to prove that I was an insane uber-dork.
It's the interweb...calm down! I'm here to speculate and converse, not tear down others to somehow prove something. I don't know why my posts offend you so much...is it 'cos of that whole sports games being fun argument we had? Deer lord man, let that go...
Those quotes that I listed above were all the answers I needed to see that I was probably wrong in my GCN CPU/PPU theory...and that's what I was doing, asking some simple questions and trying to discuss it openly. Why couldn't you try to constructivly discuss it more civilized like they had? Why did you have to use that as an oppurtunity to somehow hurt my interweb pride? (that sounds funny, HA HA HA) You're a better poster than that Amir0x.
Amir0x said:
Amir0x, you are absolutely right. They do have something to hide.
So do professional poker players. They don't announce it to the world when they think they have a winning hand. Why should Nintendo, if they think they've got one?
This "something to hide" that you constantly refer to may be a pair of Aces. Or at least a pair of Jacks.
DrGAKMAN said:
Yes, I DO think it's a silly decision. Which means it is, because I know that I want specs and they said currently they're not going to provide them. Since all I care about is myself, as noted, then there's no other elaboration needed: It's silly.
That said, as also established, OF COURSE we'll eventually get specs. It's debating only on principle, because they should absolutely want to provide that to their fans or the hardcore or whoever else wants it. Whether it's a 'bad move' from a business point of view, I frankly don't care. I'm not a stockholder, sooo...
DrGAKMAN said:
I don't know anything, thus the reason I want to. It's a safe assumption that it'll be inferior, but it's far from a fact. So, again, it's the reason behind this discussion.
DrGAKMAN said:
Because I want them. I want to make an informed purchase decision. We've been over this, soooo, moving on...
WindyMan said:
You're right, it COULD be something good.
Which, once more, makes me want the specs all the same. But logic suggests if they were hiding something good they would not say they wouldn't reveal it, so skepticism is all I can muster. I do not approve. But we're going around in circles.
You want to buy/support on blind faith, and I want information. Cut from different cloths. We're never gonna agree.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
You don't always get what want...
No, you don't always get what you want...
But if you try sometimes... you might find...
You get what you neeeeeeeeeed.
Now, with that totally useless - yet seemingly appropriate - little diddy out of the way...
I'm glad they havent showed specs.
Yes, I want to see them too, and it is dissapointing to not have them to gawk at; however, from a marketing perspective, it is a sound move, as it has been said, because - well, simply, it creates threads like this.
And even bad publicity - anyone checked the box office for Mr. and Ms. Smith this summer - is still good publicity.
No, you don't always get what you want...
But if you try sometimes... you might find...
You get what you neeeeeeeeeed.
Now, with that totally useless - yet seemingly appropriate - little diddy out of the way...
I'm glad they havent showed specs.
Yes, I want to see them too, and it is dissapointing to not have them to gawk at; however, from a marketing perspective, it is a sound move, as it has been said, because - well, simply, it creates threads like this.
And even bad publicity - anyone checked the box office for Mr. and Ms. Smith this summer - is still good publicity.
Amir0x said:
Who is going to be buying on 'blind-faith'? 99% of people will be buying it based on what the games look and play like.
If it comes out with a genuinely ground-breaking game like Mario64, are you honestly going to be worried about getting one because you don't know what speed the CPU is running at?
Specs rarely tell the full story anyway. There's always restrictions, or unexpected problems/bottlenecks, or tricks/exploits that can get performance beyond what is expected. You never know at launch what you will end up getting further down the line. The proof is in the pudding, judge it by the games. Spec-sheets are just an electronic comfort blanket.
Amirox, what does having abstract, bloated specs offer over seeing in-game actual footage? From my perspective, specs are nothing more than fodder for juvenile bickering: "My GPU has superquadruple floperator and your doesn't", etc. Please explain how knowing the specs of any machine makes a given machine more or less enjoyable to play?
Was with the mag with the interview discussed here.
P90 said:
What, how the hell are specs abstract? That doesn't even make sense. They're the precise opposite of that. How would the specs be bloated? They're only bloated if the company that releases them does it. Nintendo is rarely guilty of that.
And I, and others, have already explained several dozen times why specs are important. Seeing initial games will never tell me what the systems full potential is. Ever. It has never once been the case, and it never will be the case. So, once more, for emphasis: I want to know the specs because I want to judge for myself what the extent of the visual experiences Rev can offer will be. It's that fucking simple. There's no need to overthink it.
Nash said:
We're only specifically referring to certain people in this thread who 100% guaranteed will buy it on blind faith alone. It's not even worth debating it's so readily apparent. The general public, though, you're correct. They'll wait for games and see them and buy what they like.
But I'm just one consumer, and I know what I want.
Nash said:
Why does the arguments in this thread keep circling to the same silly thing? Once again, to me Rev isn't solely about some controller I may or may not like, or "ground breaking" games when I never felt there needed to be a shift. But that's a different debate. Again: The controller is only half the equation. I don't care how 'ground breaking' it is, it'll all be passed over in a year and then we'll have to rely on the other half - compelling visual experiences. If you don't have both, the experience [for me] is significantly diminished. As videogames are a fundamentally visual experience, and as I know what I like, it is a process. Even on DS, though it happens to have the best games, it's difficult for me to get passed the fact that every single 3D product on the system is atrociously ugly. Not to make direct comparrisons to Rev because that obviously won't be the case for that, but it's just one example of how visuals impact my experiences.
Thanks for explaining YOUR viewpoint. It sounds really, really nerdy. But it is harmless.
Your viewpoint is not applicable to 98.9% of other people, though. For all non-techies, specs ARE abstract. You may be a techie. Ask the casual gamer about normal mapping and he will pull out a paper with a state on it, not discourse about a video game. Ask the mom buying a PS2 for their 6 year old about how many polygons the emotion engine can pump out and you will get a blank stare or worse. She will be able to tell you that the PS2's games look better than the N64 or the PS1's, though.P90 said:Thanks for explaining YOUR viewpoint. It sounds really, really nerdy. But it is harmless.
Ok, and I respect that. But for re-emphasis and clarity and blah blah, I made it pretty clear over and over that I don't care about Mrs. Stevenson buying a PS2 for her son or some skaterboi buying a 360 for X-TREME. I only care about me. And I am a nerd, so it's no use for me to hide it.
MadraptorMan
Member
This is a very late response, but I think that games WILL be tailor-made for Revolution, given the unique nature of the system. I think the games will look very nice. If you don't want to play Nintendo's games because they won't give out the specs, that's your choice, but I think you'll be missing out in the end.
Amir0x said:Ok, and I respect that. But for re-emphasis and clarity and blah blah, I made it pretty clear over and over that I don't care about Mrs. Stevenson buying a PS2 for her son or some skaterboi buying a 360 for X-TREME. I only care about me. And I am a nerd, so it's no use for me to hide it.
That's cool. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful about the "nerdy" bit. Everybody is "nerdy" about something.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Amir0x said:
I thought it was games that were the motivating factor behind your decision on which console to purchase.
Don't get me wrong though, I would love to see the specs. Why, for comparison purposes. But in the end, it won't matter if the graphical difference are not noticeable, if there's any.
Amir0x said:
That's one of my points in why I'm glad they're not talking about the specs...'cos they're usually always conservative...and look where that got them with GCN, average Joe still believes PS2 is still more powerful no matter what specs are given.
I know you keep reiterating that it's what YOU want, but I think the piss-poor image of Nintendo would better benifit from holding off on specs for a bit rather than satisfying what YOU want. Besides, the system is months away, you'll get the specs...it won't be a "blind faith" purchase for you.
Amir0x said:
That makes sense, the system has to have staying power, which can't be measured by launch games. But look at PS2...it has the lowest specs of this generation, yet did better than the competition (for various non-spec reasons) and still has visually impressive games as more developers harnessed it's power better.
Amir0x said:
Why do you keep referencing that as if it were a bad thing?
Amir0x said:
Remind you of our past skirmish over the sports games thing? You're bull-headed...I'm bull-headed. I do thank you for not bringing up my "questionable goofy theories/speculation" as ammunition against me in this debate though.
Overall, I agree that it's Nintendo who should officially release specifications rather than having them misconstrued by a third party developer on his blog or something. We should get the word from the horses mouth, but it doesn't seem like they're playing that game right now. They must seriously be confident about the system's power and/or the interfaces ability to compliment the platform without having to blab about them. It's obvious that they wanna show the games before any kind of technical discussion...just like they really haven't told anyone how the remote-controller works, just that it does. It's an actions speak louder than words approach...and I would think that anyone doubtful over Nintendo's upcoming system would appreciate that more than some unkeepable promises.
I think I know where you're coming from. In the past Nintendo made promises about the "Dolphin" project and then they seem to have shot themselves in the foot in some key areas in alot of people's eyes. Nintendo is making alot of GOOD moves for Revolution now though, and you (and others) are just waiting for them to make a glaring mistake (low specs, no HDTV support, etc.) for you to to tell yourselves it won't be a good investment to buy it. I guess I can understand that. I'm not saying you're one of those "I told you so type people" I just think maybe you felt you got burned in the past and are cautious about your future investments.
MadraptorMan said:
Agreed. Square/ENIX's Wada said something about there being a "low end" and a "high end" next generation. Whether that means Sony/MS vs Nintendo, who knows, but it's obvious now that Square/ENIX is seriously pursuing multi-platform developement. I think serious developers are going to cater to both "ends" of the market...especially factoring in NDS, PSP & late life PS2 developement.
It would be cool if every major multiplatform title appeared on all three systems, but there's just some companies who aren't gonna think it's money-making to do that or they're letting personal bias keep them from doing so. And others are going to just do sloppy ports. If there is this "high" & "low" end forming though it'll probably mean less multiplatform ports to Revolution, but more exclussive "ground up" content for it as well due to it's cheaper lower power approach.
DrGAKMAN said:
Correct.
DrGAKMAN said:
But who would ever buy a multiplatform game for PS2? Not me. And people say "who buys Nintendo systems for third party games anyway", and you'd be right. I don't, I buy them for Nintendo first-party games. Revolution will still have that. Nevertheless, systems are much more expensive next-gen. I can wait it out longer, but it might so happen that I need to rely on third party support even more in determing what my first and second purchases will be.
In any event, it's also for academic purposes and long-term. As you know. So not much more we can do. Hopefully we'll get them from someone, and I hope they're true. I don't want fifty threads on fake specs for the next 12 months.
DrGAKMAN said:
Because anyone who buys on blind faith is, as they say, "foolish." There's also other harsh words, but let's stick with that one.
DrGAKMAN said:
I liked Gamecube. Nintendo didn't fail in my eyes. I loved Super Mario Sunshine, I loved Pikmin 2, I loved Metroid Prime and I loved Wind Waker. Just because it had Animal Crossing and 15 Mario Party games doesn't mean they failed, they made up for the shit with an incredibly array of quality first party titles.
N64 was the true failure to me. Gamecube pretty much proved why Nintendo is great in my eyes. But for me, Nintendo is like any other company. They have to prove to me why they should get my money. And until they do, they don't get it. Now it's possible they'll prove it without ever releasing specs, but it makes it much more difficult and imho it's silly. And as you noted, someone will release them.
LOL. You guys have fallen for the trap. Of course Nintendo won't release specs. Why? If they don't release specs, message board screwballs all over the internets will keep talking about it. It puts the message across in people's minds that Nintendo has a new console coming out and it's very mysterious. Human nature has proven time and time again that people are drawn to mystery which is why we're still having 5+ page speculation threads even though the controller has already been revealed. It's great publicity! Mwhahaha!
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