PhoenixDark
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ant1532 said:
DS stuff most likely.
GDC is the most likely candidate for pre-E3 Revolution news.
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Revolution Specuation Thread Mark II (UNCONFIRMED RUMORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE GO HERE)
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DS stuff most likely.
GDC is the most likely candidate for pre-E3 Revolution news.
The whole lever pulling thing sounds lame, not immersive at all, just a gimmick.
Until you try to think like Miyamoto.
What emotions would you feel in some dungeon where you saw a mysterious lever? How would you feel while you pull it? In games you just wander up and press a button.
But with Rev I think it would be abit more immersive if you have to say press B to grip it and pull it like 3 times. Each time you pull you see and feel a reaction, the screen shakes etc.
but you keep going and theres an air of danger/uncertainty and that hint of adveture and curiousity you always get in Zelda. You might choose to pull it really fast or slow. It could open a door to treasure or be a trap.
This is just a lever, but if everything in the game takes this approach which adds just 5% more reality and places you in Link's shoes more, the whole game will be more immersive for it.
Until you try to think like Miyamoto.
What emotions would you feel in some dungeon where you saw a mysterious lever? How would you feel while you pull it? In games you just wander up and press a button.
But with Rev I think it would be abit more immersive if you have to say press B to grip it and pull it like 3 times. Each time you pull you see and feel a reaction, the screen shakes etc.
but you keep going and theres an air of danger/uncertainty and that hint of adveture and curiousity you always get in Zelda. You might choose to pull it really fast or slow. It could open a door to treasure or be a trap.
This is just a lever, but if everything in the game takes this approach which adds just 5% more reality and places you in Link's shoes more, the whole game will be more immersive for it.
PhoenixDark
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StRaNgE said:
I fail to see why that needs to be done, or why I'd even want to do that. Especially in a Zelda game.
underfooter
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I think this 3D vision idea needs to go. If it was THAT revolutionairy I think a lot of developers heads would be exploding and we'd have some sort of leak/indication by now.
The idea of putting flywheels in the remote is pretty out there - I'd love to see a multi-thousand-dollar precision engineered remote, that the moment someone accidentally drops it, it obliterates their living room. 
Flywheels are made of some pretty advanced materials, and they spin really really fast to do what they do - we're not talking hard drive speeds here.
Flywheels are made of some pretty advanced materials, and they spin really really fast to do what they do - we're not talking hard drive speeds here.Small flywheels.antipode said:The idea of putting flywheels in the remote is pretty funny - I'd love to see a multi-thousand-dollar precision engineered remote, that the moment someone accidentally drops it, it obliterates their living room.
And like I said before, there is a decent chance that the revmote already has a flywheel in it for rumble. An off balanced flywheel is how the GCN controller rumble works, I believe. Having on-balanced flywheels in there is not that big of a leap.
AndoCalrissian
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Interesting thing to note is that Matt Cassamassina hasn't updated IGNCube or IGNRev. While this is not necessarily surprising, it is an interesting coincidence.PhoenixDark said:DS stuff most likely.
GDC is the most likely candidate for pre-E3 Revolution news.
Snow said:Small flywheels.
And like I said before, there is a decent chance that the revmote already has a flywheel in it for rumble. An off balanced flywheel is how the GCN controller rumble works, I believe. Having on-balanced flywheels in there is not that big of a leap.
Doesn't it just use vibrating motors, per Immersion's patents?
A flywheel is something different - it's an object spinning with enough momentum that you can use it to resist a rotation about its axis, or use the stored energy as a battery.
antipode said:
From one of the two patents Immersion sued over. Eccentric, as in not centric; unbalanced.
And like I said, relatively subtle motion resistance, that wouldn't require too much power or too great a rotating mass would still give very useful tactile feedback. But it be a pet theory, so don't take my comments too seriously. Same goes for this entire thread, really.
I'm still not sure if you understand what the concept of a flywheel is, Snow.
It's not just a number of vibrating or rotating motors, no matter what axes they are on. It's the concept of something that has aquired so much kinetic energy that it will fight you changing the angle or speed of its rotation through space.
It is a simple function of the energy you apply to it, no more, no less. You can't say "I'll spin this thing using the same amount of energy as the hard drive in the iPod spins - but I'll use it as a flywheel instead, so the user will notice it" - that violates the most fundamental laws of physics. You also can't say "I'll set some stuff on different axes and it will work like a flywheel instead" - that too would violate conservation of energy.
Now, PS2/Gamecube controllers, electric toothbrushes, electric shavers, iPods all have rotating components to them. But none of them even begins to rotate fast enough for you to say "wow, I can notice turning this object is more difficult than when it was turned off", even the slightest bit. So it's tough to imagine a consumer device acheiving that kind of angular momentum, especially on battery power.
It's not just a number of vibrating or rotating motors, no matter what axes they are on. It's the concept of something that has aquired so much kinetic energy that it will fight you changing the angle or speed of its rotation through space.
It is a simple function of the energy you apply to it, no more, no less. You can't say "I'll spin this thing using the same amount of energy as the hard drive in the iPod spins - but I'll use it as a flywheel instead, so the user will notice it" - that violates the most fundamental laws of physics. You also can't say "I'll set some stuff on different axes and it will work like a flywheel instead" - that too would violate conservation of energy.
Now, PS2/Gamecube controllers, electric toothbrushes, electric shavers, iPods all have rotating components to them. But none of them even begins to rotate fast enough for you to say "wow, I can notice turning this object is more difficult than when it was turned off", even the slightest bit. So it's tough to imagine a consumer device acheiving that kind of angular momentum, especially on battery power.
These here http://www.paragonmartialarts.co.uk/powerballs.htm use flywheels, apparently. Hmmm. *strokes chin*
No, I don't think so. If you want it to actually resist motion in a useful way to games, you would have to build up angular momentum first, by revving up a flywheel, or something similar. What you're describing is basically how those powerballs work. Which do resist motion eventually, but not really in a way you could utilize in games.LUNA said:
http://www.buytelescopes.com/product.asp?pid=1824
My dad has these, they are binoculars with image stablization which I am pretty sure is the same technology you are talking about. You press a little button and instantly the thing just SOLIDIFIES itself in space, no shakiness when looking through the binoculars, and its very hard to rotate the thing in your hand, it just wants to stay absolutely still. Very very cool, and would be amazing if implemented into the Revmote. However look at that price...
My dad has these, they are binoculars with image stablization which I am pretty sure is the same technology you are talking about. You press a little button and instantly the thing just SOLIDIFIES itself in space, no shakiness when looking through the binoculars, and its very hard to rotate the thing in your hand, it just wants to stay absolutely still. Very very cool, and would be amazing if implemented into the Revmote. However look at that price...
AndoCalrissian said:
They just did today, turns out its for Metroid.
http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=111286614&brd=7594
JoshuaJSlone
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As has been pointed out before in relation to that Zelda lever quote, grabbing a lever and then pulling it was done in A Link to the Past. It's not like that quote indicates a new era of manually doing many menial tasks.
Something like what is in this patent sounds closer to what might be usable. It seems to use a lot of bateries and space though, but you could get away with much smaller resistance in the Revmote.jkooXL said:
And yes, I'm bored, and realize that my ideas probably still violate some basic tenets of physics.
ant1532 said:
Craig is not Matt (or Bozon).
Anyway, there was an update on Revolution about those games IGN knows about, but it was nothing special. There's going to be a 2nd part of the article as well, about 3rd party games. But there's a thread about this on the first page here on GAF.
the androgyne
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Snow said:
And yes, I'm bored, and realize that my ideas probably still violate some basic tenets of physics.
Am I reading this right?
At least you're not as bored as me!
am i the only one that sees fig.2 as a penis with very small testicles and quite a large knob?Snow said:Something like what is in this patent sounds closer to what might be usable. It seems to use a lot of bateries and space though, but you could get away with much smaller resistance in the Revmote.
And yes, I'm bored, and realize that my ideas probably still violate some basic tenets of physics.
underfooter
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The one on the right looks like a penis. Anyone else notice that?
......sorry, whatever the hell you guys are talking about is beyond me.
Well, Ok. I honestly didn't realize the diagram looked like a penis when I posted it though (no really, I didn't, it's just the first patent that comes up when you google 'motion resisting patent'). Well, atleast not until the Androgyne 'shopped it.
But it was just supposed to be a sword handle, people.
But it was just supposed to be a sword handle, people.
Heh, every time a Revolution news thread appears, it turns into a wild speculation thread. But when there finally IS an official speculation thread, it just goes stupid. :lol
Anyway good that better force feedback was discussed again. A recently reported DS patent covers something in this vein:
http://www.nintendogal.com/index.ph...do-Patent,-More-Rumble-Pak-Functionality.html
It's about synchronizing the rumble pack with the way the player uses the touch screen. I'm quite convinced now that Nintendo is thinking about force feedback enhancements also for the Revolution.
...AND BREAKING:
This pic from the patent pretty much confirms that Shadow of the Colossus will be ported to the DS and probably revolution as well:
Anyway good that better force feedback was discussed again. A recently reported DS patent covers something in this vein:
http://www.nintendogal.com/index.ph...do-Patent,-More-Rumble-Pak-Functionality.html
It's about synchronizing the rumble pack with the way the player uses the touch screen. I'm quite convinced now that Nintendo is thinking about force feedback enhancements also for the Revolution.
...AND BREAKING:
This pic from the patent pretty much confirms that Shadow of the Colossus will be ported to the DS and probably revolution as well:
citrus lump
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This thread sucks now. I blame it on the gyroscopic penis pump pics.
PhoenixDark
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Nintendo Creates The Penis, Ends "Kiddie" Image
citrus lump
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Oh god, "Kids love to play with the Penis" :lol
Well it does lend itself to all the wiggling/shaking of the Revmote.........
Well it does lend itself to all the wiggling/shaking of the Revmote.........
PhoenixDark
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Ok, this needs to be spoofed. Give me an hour or two. :lol
citrus lump
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I think this thread needs to be killed. It certainly can't be saved anymore.
As bad as this thread is, why did it get unstickied? The PSP thread hasn't even been posted in this month and it is still stickied, and it also has less posts than this thread. Do I detect some bias by the mods?
I like some of the ideas posted (flywheel). It will be interesting when we get some real info.
I like some of the ideas posted (flywheel). It will be interesting when we get some real info.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
citrus lump said:
Please, please burn it.
citrus lump
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Well, it went from good to shit. That's why it's being buried. We'll certainly get one or two more stickys before E3.
This thread's purpose wasn't to be a place for great discussion but to rather be a sewer collecting all of GAF's sewage that has to do with the Revolution speculation. This thread being unstickied is just asking for nintensewage to flow to the rest of GAF once more.
Resticky our crap.
Resticky our crap.
PhoenixDark
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Nintendo Reveals The Penis, Ends "Kiddie" Image
Today Nintendo finally revealed the last secret funtion of the Revolution controller. At a press conference in Seattle, Nintendo VP of Marketing Reggie Fils Aime pulled the device out of his pocket and revealed it to the world. "The Nintendo Penis is the final key to the Revolution," he announced. According to Nintendo, The Penis offers more direct control of gaming. "With The Penis, you can make the game do what you want, when you want - at levels never seen before. Gamers will love playing with The Penis, and to be frank, Sony and Microsoft simply can't give it to them like Nintendo can."
The Nintendo Penis allows for percise aiming. Also according to Nintendo, it rewards gamers for achievments in the game. "Microsoft has this old-Eurpope idea that gamers want to be awarded points for doing well in games. Here at Nintendo, we want games to make the gamer feel good. Saving Princess Peach with The Penis is going to be a true experience. You will say wow, and so will she." Other games that will utilize The Penis function will be Metroid Prime 3, Nintendogs Revolution, and Katamari Damacy, among others.
Nintendo critics were quick to question The Penis. "It's just another case of Nintendo stealing designs from Apple," said Dr. Drinky Crow, head master of Xenon University in Redmond, Washington. "The Penis is a blatant rip off of The Carrot."
But Nintendo doesn't seem concerned. "The Penis could be the key to the next generation. We want to make gaming accessible to everyone. The Revolution controller looks like a TV remote, and a majority of people are familiar with it. The Penis will have a similar impact on non gamers."
Above: A mockup of The Penis, a new add-on to the Revolution controller. By inserting it onto the tip of the Revolution controller, The Penis works as an aiming device, touch feedback device, and blow pop. According to Flis Aime, it will come in extra large for "gamers like me."
Today Nintendo finally revealed the last secret funtion of the Revolution controller. At a press conference in Seattle, Nintendo VP of Marketing Reggie Fils Aime pulled the device out of his pocket and revealed it to the world. "The Nintendo Penis is the final key to the Revolution," he announced. According to Nintendo, The Penis offers more direct control of gaming. "With The Penis, you can make the game do what you want, when you want - at levels never seen before. Gamers will love playing with The Penis, and to be frank, Sony and Microsoft simply can't give it to them like Nintendo can."
The Nintendo Penis allows for percise aiming. Also according to Nintendo, it rewards gamers for achievments in the game. "Microsoft has this old-Eurpope idea that gamers want to be awarded points for doing well in games. Here at Nintendo, we want games to make the gamer feel good. Saving Princess Peach with The Penis is going to be a true experience. You will say wow, and so will she." Other games that will utilize The Penis function will be Metroid Prime 3, Nintendogs Revolution, and Katamari Damacy, among others.
Nintendo critics were quick to question The Penis. "It's just another case of Nintendo stealing designs from Apple," said Dr. Drinky Crow, head master of Xenon University in Redmond, Washington. "The Penis is a blatant rip off of The Carrot."
But Nintendo doesn't seem concerned. "The Penis could be the key to the next generation. We want to make gaming accessible to everyone. The Revolution controller looks like a TV remote, and a majority of people are familiar with it. The Penis will have a similar impact on non gamers."
Above: A mockup of The Penis, a new add-on to the Revolution controller. By inserting it onto the tip of the Revolution controller, The Penis works as an aiming device, touch feedback device, and blow pop. According to Flis Aime, it will come in extra large for "gamers like me."