archnemesis
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It varies wildly. God is the creator according to the Qur'an, but there is no consensus whether species came from theistic evolution or intelligent design.
Speedymanic said:I know this isn't the right thread, but I've always wondered what the Islamic stance on evolution/creationism is?
I haven't ever seen it mentioned or discussed, so I've always assumed they believe in creationism but accept that evolution is also possible.
Am I off/wrong?
I'm with you on that.Ventron said:This is ridiculous, not only is Dawkins arrogant, but he's also wrong too.
Yes, it's called Democracy. Other people may have a different favourite candidate to you, shock horror.
Wrong, evolution is a theory. It is an inference used to explain a set of observations, which makes it a theory. It's the best theory we currently have for explaining the origin of species, but that doesn't rule out a future discovery which may contradict the foundations of this theory, and we thus must create a new theory that is consistent with all observations ever made. This happens all the time in science.
...unless you work in the majority of occupations where evolution is irrelevant.
I agree with this, if he just shut his mouth after this he wouldn't seem so arrogant.
Honestly, I am so sick of science being treated as a religion, and being used to wage war against Christianity. The people who do this are the ones responsible for the rise of anti-science sentiment in certain communities.
Enco said:Oh and no human has experienced evolution. The small changes we have seen are easily described as adaptations.
Enco said:I'm with you on that.
Oh and no human has experienced evolution. The small changes we have seen are easily described as adaptations.
Enco said:Oh and no human has experienced evolution. The small changes we have seen are easily described as adaptations.
Enco said:I'm with you on that.
Oh and no human has experienced evolution. The small changes we have seen are easily described as adaptations.
Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
DanteFox said:Poor Dawkins. If only he knew about the monkeys, he'd realize how wrong he's been all these years.
Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Edit: to make things clearer, we haven't experience as drastic changes as are being theorised
DanteFox said:Poor Dawkins. If only he knew about the monkeys, he'd realize how wrong he's been all these years.
Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Edit: to make things clearer, we haven't experience as drastic changes as are being theorised
You could just combine the two answers into a simple "God made Evolution", but noooo, humans have to of always been the exact say way now, because that is what it says in our 3000 year old books that have been translated at least twice, with questionable quality.archnemesis said:It varies wildly. God is the creator according to the Qur'an, but there is no consensus whether species came from theistic evolution or intelligent design.
Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Edit: to make things clearer, we haven't experience as drastic changes as are being theorised
Just as a side note, the integrity of the translation of those books have little to do with the veracity of the information contained in them... In so far as the original texts would be as inaccurate with regards to any modern scientific theories... Which would be all of them.Drkirby said:You could just combine the two answers into a simple "God made Evolution", but noooo, humans have to of always been the exact say way now, because that is what it says in our 3000 year old books that have been translated at least twice, with questionable quality.
Enco said:I'm with you on that.
Oh and no human has experienced evolution. The small changes we have seen are easily described as adaptations.
PetriP-TNT said:Wow really?According to a 2009 Gallup study , only 38 percent of Americans say they believe in evolution
He's a legitimate and respected evolutionary biologist. On top of that, he's an author who's written several books trying to explain evolution to the general public.MehsterChief said:As much as I agree with Dawkins' general point of view, he comes off as an angry Internet nerd fighting for his opinion all the time.
If people choose to believe in God, let them be, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
He is the atheist version of some right-winged reborn christian from the Bible belt.
mclem said:To misquote Pratchett:
"Most scientists don't believe in evolution. They know that evolution exists, of course. They even investigate it occasionally. But they don't believe in it. They know it too well. It would be like believing in the postman."
At least, that's how I rationalise that sort of poll. It's more reassuring than the alternative.
My extended family is around 100 people if everyone shows up for a holiday. 10% accept evolution. Yeah, we're fucking doomed.mclem said:At least, that's how I rationalise that sort of poll. It's more reassuring than the alternative.
Evolution isn't a "drastic change". It's gradual adaptation over time.Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Edit: to make things clearer, we haven't experience as drastic changes as are being theorised
MehsterChief said:As much as I agree with Dawkins' general point of view, he comes off as an angry Internet nerd fighting for his opinion all the time.
If people choose to believe in God, let them be, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
He is the atheist version of some right-winged reborn christian from the Bible belt.
He's a legitimate and respected evolutionary biologist. On top of that, he's an author who's written several books trying to explain evolution to the general public.
This is a part of his job as a scientist and educator.
What drastic changes are being theorized?Enco said:In what way am I wrong. Animals have adapted.
Edit: to make things clearer, we haven't experience as drastic changes as are being theorised
Please, please, please be a joke.DanteFox said:Poor Dawkins. If only he knew about the monkeys, he'd realize how wrong he's been all these years.
My problem is that people will evaluate the exact text of the bible for accuracy in the same manner we today will go right down to punctuation on the exact meaning of laws, such as with the US Constitution, despite the fact that the earliest parts of the Abrahamic Holy Texts are at least 2500 year old, and were written in Hebrew, before being translated to Latin, and then being translated to English, and that is not accounting for the fact there may be intermediate translations.Zaptruder said:Just as a side note, the integrity of the translation of those books have little to do with the veracity of the information contained in them... In so far as the original texts would be as inaccurate with regards to any modern scientific theories... Which would be all of them.
reggie said:Please, please, please be a joke.
IrishNinja said:it's no joke, man. sure he's a leading zoologist, but he travels a great deal to hock his books & such, so it's possible he doesn't know we still have them about. i for one would like to see him explain this.
Drkirby said:My problem is that people will evaluate the exact text of the bible for accuracy in the same manner we today will go right down to punctuation on the exact meaning of laws, such as with the US Constitution, despite the fact that the earliest parts of the Abrahamic Holy Texts are at least 2500 year old, and were written in Hebrew, before being translated to Latin, and then being translated to English, and that is not accounting for the fact there may be intermediate translations. T
Mortrialus said:aronra said:It is a fact that the collective genome of all animals has been traced to its basil form through reverse sequencing,
We still got monkeys?IrishNinja said:it's no joke, man. sure he's a leading zoologist, but he travels a great deal to hock his books & such, so it's possible he doesn't know we still have them about. i for one would like to see him explain this.
mclem said:I assume that's a typo, but I love the idea that the basic form of any animal is a herb. A tasty one, too!
I have no clue, some relatives by law on my mothers side have directly confronted me on Evolution, and have actually pulled the "It is just a Theory" card.SamVimes said:I met only a creationist in my life. I live in Italy, we have the Vatican here and it's one of the most bigoted western state (let's not even talk about the other problems), how do you go and fuck that up at thousands of km of distance?
This is so completely right.Dawkins said:In any other party and in any other country, an individual may occasionally rise to the top in spite of being an uneducated ignoramus. In todays Republican Party in spite of is not the phrase we need. Ignorance and lack of education are positive qualifications, bordering on obligatory.
SmokyDave said:We still got monkeys?
Why we still got monkeys?
SamVimes said:I met only a creationist in my life. I live in Italy, we have the Vatican here and it's one of the most bigoted western state (let's not even talk about the other problems), how do you go and fuck that up at thousands of km of distance?
davepoobond said:how about you prove god isn't a fact there richard dawkins, then i'll show you an earth that was made in 7 days.
SmokyDave said:We still got monkeys?
Why we still got monkeys?
Log4Girlz said:And why do bananas fit perfectly into their hands?
Mortrialus said:Ha. Thanks for catching that. Fixing it now.
Tence said:And why do they open them on the other side compared to humans? CLEARLY proof there is no thing as evolution!
Don't fix it. It is the best typo ever. Plus I love Basil
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Vetron said:Wrong, evolution is a theory. It is an inference used to explain a set of observations, which makes it a theory. It's the best theory we currently have for explaining the origin of species, but that doesn't rule out a future discovery which may contradict the foundations of this theory, and we thus must create a new theory that is consistent with all observations ever made. This happens all the time in science.
Vetron said:I agree with this, if he just shut his mouth after this he wouldn't seem so arrogant.
Honestly, I am so sick of science being treated as a religion, and being used to wage war against Christianity. The people who do this are the ones responsible for the rise of anti-science sentiment in certain communities.
Amir0x said:"Evolution is not just a theory, it's TRIUMPHANTLY a theory." Read about what the word "theory" means among people who are actually educated here. Protip: It does not mean what you think it means.
Maybe if people didn't try to bandy about their horrific ignorance to try to deface someone who actually knows what they're talking about in the world of, ya know, facts then he wouldn't come across as so "arrogant."
People like you think he's arrogant because he's directly shitting on a standard of belief you have. Unfortunately for you, his is supported by facts and yours is supported by fairy tales and factually incorrect holy books.
Just because YOU are so incurious that you refuse to dig deep down and be honest with yourself as to the reality of your foundation for belief, doesn't mean others have to sit around and allow ass talkers like Rick Perry free reign to shit on reality. No, the Earth ISN'T 6000 years old. Yes, homosexuality IS genetic - you are born with it. Yes, evolution is a gloriously beautiful and simple explanation for why we came to be - and it's also a fact.
If you don't like these things, too fucking bad. You don't have a goddamn say in the matter, no matter how much you protest. Suck it up.