archnemesis
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It varies wildly. God is the creator according to the Qur'an, but there is no consensus whether species came from theistic evolution or intelligent design.
Richard Dawkins: Attention Governor Perry: Evolution is a fact
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Mortrialus
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Speedymanic said:
They are creationists mostly. Rejection of evolution in Islamic countries is more prevalent than even the United States.
IrishNinja
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Enco said:
...is this anything like the micro vs macro evolution distinction? because i can get into sophistry, but it's got nothing to do with science.
Mortrialus
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Enco said:
Buddy, you are just itching for an internet argument given how absurdly wrong you are.
Enco said:
Evolution means "change over time."
That's what an adaptation IS. Your second sentence contradicts your first.
Also, humans HAVE 'experienced' evolution. More specifically, we have died from it happening in other species. And continue to die from it.
Here is a good place to start if you want to learn about examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis
Enco said:
Adaptations? Naw man, that's God making edits. Evolution is such a stupid theory, really...just full of stupid. God made everything. There, so much more elegant. You don't even need any evidence to back that shit up.
Enco said:
You could almost call that..."evolving". But I won't.
polyh3dron
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By the lack of response ITT I'm going to infer that SlipperySlope is in fact a creationist.
I must say; lol.
I must say; lol.
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Enco said:
But we can prove them, and we allready have. That's the main point that creationists conveniently ignore. Evolution is happening and the evidence is overwhelming.
The main line is that religious people argue by citing their religious texts, but don't claim to use scientific methods. They believe in it. Any true scientist would be ill adviced to argue about that, as believes aren't quantifiable by science by definition.
Creationists act as if they follow scientific procedures and standards, when in fact they don't.
Just like bunglers are a threat to other professions, these imbeciles are degrading scientific standards and achievements by using ignorance and willfull idiocy as a new scientific dogma.
Mortrialus
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Enco said:
There is no explanation for Ring Species outside of evolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8
You could just combine the two answers into a simple "God made Evolution", but noooo, humans have to of always been the exact say way now, because that is what it says in our 3000 year old books that have been translated at least twice, with questionable quality.archnemesis said:
Enco said:
Do we need to live for millions of years to witness a massive change in an animal species to conclude evolution a fact, when there has been mountains of evidence showing that species have changed enormously over time? The evidence has been frozen in time in the form of fossils, in discrete layers of rock. You do not ever see T-Rex fossils in the exact same deposit with Smilodon.
Just as a side note, the integrity of the translation of those books have little to do with the veracity of the information contained in them... In so far as the original texts would be as inaccurate with regards to any modern scientific theories... Which would be all of them.Drkirby said:
PetriP-TNT said:
To misquote Pratchett:
"Most scientists don't believe in evolution. They know that evolution exists, of course. They even investigate it occasionally. But they don't believe in it. They know it too well. It would be like believing in the postman."
At least, that's how I rationalise that sort of poll. It's more reassuring than the alternative.
Mortrialus
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mclem said:
Having as many correct beliefs and as few false beliefs as possible is important. Accepting a false belief because it is more reassuring is a bad course of action.
My extended family is around 100 people if everyone shows up for a holiday. 10% accept evolution. Yeah, we're fucking doomed.mclem said:
It is really strange to think about some of these people as adults. They can dress themselves and everything. The problem is the shit that comes out of their mouth. I might say some crazy shit but it is usually when I'm on two hits of acid.
Mortrialus
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MehsterChief said:
Your forgot to mention how theists are actively hurting others because of their beliefs.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I admire Dawkins because he's pro-active in a war on stupidity, which is by all accounts a virus. When stupid people open their mouths, sometimes some of it gets into other people's brains and they too speak the same stupid words and so on.
When people complain about him "mouthing off again", they don't realise the cause he has dedicated his public persona to: not letting stupidity spread through in-action.
When people like Perry pipe up utter nonsense, if even one person gets swayed over to the type of thinking that would keep us all intellectually in the dark ages, thats one person too many. Dawkins is loud and obnoxious to butt back against his opponents. To thrust the facts in peoples faces and at least inject a small niggling doubt or thread in peoples minds to tug at later if they so choose.
The alternative is stupid people getting stupider, and no good can come of that.
When people complain about him "mouthing off again", they don't realise the cause he has dedicated his public persona to: not letting stupidity spread through in-action.
When people like Perry pipe up utter nonsense, if even one person gets swayed over to the type of thinking that would keep us all intellectually in the dark ages, thats one person too many. Dawkins is loud and obnoxious to butt back against his opponents. To thrust the facts in peoples faces and at least inject a small niggling doubt or thread in peoples minds to tug at later if they so choose.
The alternative is stupid people getting stupider, and no good can come of that.
My problem is that people will evaluate the exact text of the bible for accuracy in the same manner we today will go right down to punctuation on the exact meaning of laws, such as with the US Constitution, despite the fact that the earliest parts of the Abrahamic Holy Texts are at least 2500 year old, and were written in Hebrew, before being translated to Latin, and then being translated to English, and that is not accounting for the fact there may be intermediate translations.Zaptruder said:
Though to be fair, the current popular Bible translation in use, the "New International Version", is a fairly modern translation done 30 years ago, using Hebrew Texts.
IrishNinja
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reggie said:
it's no joke, man. sure he's a leading zoologist, but he travels a great deal to hock his books & such, so it's possible he doesn't know we still have them about. i for one would like to see him explain this.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
IrishNinja said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE
I kill the joke, but for the sake... of science!!
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Drkirby said:
Don't forget the fact that the latin translations were copied and copied introducing errors upon errors, including censorship to solidify christian sovereign rule etc etc...
Seriously, anyone thinking of holy books as anything but political manifestos should actually start reading them.
Mortrialus
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I have no clue, some relatives by law on my mothers side have directly confronted me on Evolution, and have actually pulled the "It is just a Theory" card.SamVimes said:
I don't talk to those people often anymore.
I don't even feel like bringing it up with my father's side of the family, though I find it a bit funny that I think my uncle's segment is more religious then my 92 year old Grandfather, though my Grandfather was a Chemical Engineer. Guy put all three of his kids though Catholic School. My Uncle is actually trying once again to get his first marriage that he had about 30 years ago Annulled, so he can marry his current Wife of 25 years in the Church, I do hope that goes though, since it is a petty issue in my eyes that will make the man happy.
davepoobond
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how about you prove god isn't a fact there richard dawkins, then i'll show you an earth that was made in 7 days.
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SamVimes said:
The thing that disgusted me most is that that emperor palpatine had only to snip with his fingers and collectively italian women decided to not vote for a new abortion law, throwing human rights and feminist advancements in italy back. It was back then, seeing my former classmates deciding against their own freedom of choice that I realized religion for what it is.
A useless remnant of ignorance, designed for people to ignore their own responsability for their own lifes.
davepoobond said:
... Joke post?
SmokyDave said:
Well to dress them up in funny costumes and to use them in brothels in central Asia of course.
Tence said:And why do they open them on the other side compared to humans? CLEARLY proof there is no thing as evolution!
Don't fix it. It is the best typo ever. Plus I love Basil
I honestly was so confused about evolution as a child. I think the translation of Darwin's book over the decades has changed much of the text's meaning. Thank goodness I read up this new theory called creationism, it explains everything so eloquently...it doesn't even need evidence to substantiate any of its claims.
Vetron said:
"Evolution is not just a theory, it's TRIUMPHANTLY a theory." Read about what the word "theory" means among people who are actually educated here. Protip: It does not mean what you think it means.
Vetron said:
Maybe if people didn't try to bandy about their horrific ignorance to try to deface someone who actually knows what they're talking about in the world of, ya know, facts then he wouldn't come across as so "arrogant."
People like you think he's arrogant because he's directly shitting on a standard of belief you have. Unfortunately for you, his is supported by facts and yours is supported by fairy tales and factually incorrect holy books.
Just because YOU are so incurious that you refuse to dig deep down and be honest with yourself as to the reality of your foundation for belief, doesn't mean others have to sit around and allow ass talkers like Rick Perry free reign to shit on reality. No, the Earth ISN'T 6000 years old. Yes, homosexuality IS genetic - you are born with it. Yes, evolution is a gloriously beautiful and simple explanation for why we came to be - and it's also a fact.
If you don't like these things, too fucking bad. You don't have a goddamn say in the matter, no matter how much you protest. Suck it up.
Kermit The Dog
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To be religious, you must be ignorant. Anyone who underlines this like Dawkins does is a-okay in my book.
Mortrialus
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Amir0x said:
God damn it you're awesome when we agree on things. One point I need to correct, we aren't exactly certain if the cause of homosexuality is genetic or not, but regardless of whether it is genetic, hormonal, psychological or preference(Which is still out of one's control), they still should have access to marriage just as heterosexuals do.
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