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Ridley Scott's Prometheus Trailer

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Warm Machine said:
Having watched 1/2 of Alien last night I'm convinced it isn't the same ship in Prometheus. I was wrong about the hole in the hull being the one they entered in in Alien. This ship looks like it gets too messed up to be the same one.

That and the planet atmosphere and lighting seems completely different.

Reading interviews with Ridley and crew it seems as though they simply want this to exist in the same universe without a direct link. They seem to feel that the Alien creature shape and style has been done to death and has been made irrelevant due to multiple sequels and AVP films, and want something new for the audience to fear.

Ridley is also pretty convinced that this thing is a bomber that deploys alien eggs on enemy planets to cleanse them.

I have a feeling that the only reason the Nostromo is called to LV426 is due to picking up a similar warning message and that is the only thing the company has to go off of when searching the galaxy for these things.
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You don't think it would be even less likely that there just so happened to be another crash of a ship shaped exactly like the one from Alien, with the same iconic room, and confirmations from Ridley that they're exploring the Space Jockey?
 
Warm Machine said:
Having watched 1/2 of Alien last night I'm convinced it isn't the same ship in Prometheus. I was wrong about the hole in the hull being the one they entered in in Alien. This ship looks like it gets too messed up to be the same one.

That and the planet atmosphere and lighting seems completely different.

Reading interviews with Ridley and crew it seems as though they simply want this to exist in the same universe without a direct link. They seem to feel that the Alien creature shape and style has been done to death and has been made irrelevant due to multiple sequels and AVP films, and want something new for the audience to fear.

Ridley is also pretty convinced that this thing is a bomber that deploys alien eggs on enemy planets to cleanse them.

I have a feeling that the only reason the Nostromo is called to LV426 is due to picking up a similar warning message and that is the only thing the company has to go off of when searching the galaxy for these things.
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Come on, that's clearly them trying to hide the fact that it's a true prequel. It's true about the franchise's relevance being diminished, but that's exactly why they are being coy about it.
 
I think there will always people who have doubts until the movie is released, and that's totally fine. When Phantom Menace came out my roommate absolutely refused to believe that Palpatine and Sidious were the same person. Even after I pointed out they were the same actor and that the Emperor's name in the Ep IV-VI trilogy was Palpatine. He was sure there was some kind of bait and switch coming, possibly involving clones.
 
Warm Machine said:
Having watched 1/2 of Alien last night I'm convinced it isn't the same ship in Prometheus. I was wrong about the hole in the hull being the one they entered in in Alien. This ship looks like it gets too messed up to be the same one.

That and the planet atmosphere and lighting seems completely different.

Reading interviews with Ridley and crew it seems as though they simply want this to exist in the same universe without a direct link. They seem to feel that the Alien creature shape and style has been done to death and has been made irrelevant due to multiple sequels and AVP films, and want something new for the audience to fear.

Ridley is also pretty convinced that this thing is a bomber that deploys alien eggs on enemy planets to cleanse them.

I have a feeling that the only reason the Nostromo is called to LV426 is due to picking up a similar warning message and that is the only thing the company has to go off of when searching the galaxy for these things.
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I'm with ya.

The atmosphere and lighting in the trailer is what made me think twice about the planet being LV426.


Anton Sugar said:
You don't think it would be even less likely that there just so happened to be another crash of a ship shaped exactly like the one from Alien, with the same iconic room, and confirmations from Ridley that they're exploring the Space Jockey?
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Could be a space ship that is mass produced. So the two ships could look exactly alike. Space Jockey could be an alien species. Could be tons of them. No problem there.
 
Whoa, this "BAMMM" that Inception made famous seems to be getting more popular. Whole trailer this time. Aside from that, it actually looks interesting.
 
tycoonheart said:
Could be a space ship that is mass produced. So the two ships could look exactly alike. Space Jockey could be an alien species. Could be tons of them. No problem there.
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I didn't say it wasn't possible--it would just be, logically and contextually (with what has been established in Alien, pretty inane to replicate the setting of the Space Jockey without actually being THE Space Jockey. I just don't see it.
 
tycoonheart said:
I'm with ya.

The atmosphere and lighting in the trailer is what made me think twice about the planet being LV426.




Could be a space ship that is mass produced. So the two ships could look exactly alike. Space Jockey could be an alien species. Could be tons of them. No problem there.
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1. You can see volcanic activity in the Prometheus trailer, which is likely going to reshape the condition of LV426. Remember Prometheus is rumored to be something like 50+ years before Alien.. don't be fooled by the sky color.

2. In lore sure, but in fliming and trying to cross breed 2 films in the same universe. No.
 
Warm Machine said:
Having watched 1/2 of Alien last night I'm convinced it isn't the same ship in Prometheus. I was wrong about the hole in the hull being the one they entered in in Alien. This ship looks like it gets too messed up to be the same one.

That and the planet atmosphere and lighting seems completely different.

Reading interviews with Ridley and crew it seems as though they simply want this to exist in the same universe without a direct link. They seem to feel that the Alien creature shape and style has been done to death and has been made irrelevant due to multiple sequels and AVP films, and want something new for the audience to fear.

Ridley is also pretty convinced that this thing is a bomber that deploys alien eggs on enemy planets to cleanse them.

I have a feeling that the only reason the Nostromo is called to LV426 is due to picking up a similar warning message and that is the only thing the company has to go off of when searching the galaxy for these things.
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could be. the ship in Alien had a fossilized(?!) Jockey and eggs. so it could be that it is an old ship stranded there.
in Prometheus we might see a newer version of this kind of ship with caspules instead of eggs, because the Jockeys race was able to synthesize the xenomorphs over the course of the years, so they didn't need the natural eggs anymore. might be safer and easier to deploy.
so the ship in Alien is based on old tech, in Prometheus we might the something improved.
 
E-phonk said:
To me Alien is definitely the better movie. It's visually more exciting, has better dialogs (but less quotable one-liners, Aliens wins that one), and more tension, especially watching it without knowing everything about the sequels and who will survive.
The blu-ray version is beautiful, even today.
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So quotable one-liners are a criteria that make movies good to you? °_°


On a general note I think it's completely childish to argue whether Alien or Aliens is the better movie.

Both are - in their respective generes - very well made movies, prime-excamples of how to do it right. Both are very scary, suspensful science-fiction masterpieces.

They both go very well together. Aliens is one of the best sequels ever made. Mad probs to Cameron.

The first film raised my interest as to what that creature is and the second one let me know more about it, all embedded in a very intense action horror movie, yet leaving enough out to still keep me wondering "what the hell is that/where did it come from?!".

I hope Prometheus will be as smart, well made and intense as the first THREE movies (with 3 I mean the directors cut. And for a movie that went to so much production trouble, it turned out pretty well).
 
Anton Sugar said:
You don't think it would be even less likely that there just so happened to be another crash of a ship shaped exactly like the one from Alien, with the same iconic room, and confirmations from Ridley that they're exploring the Space Jockey?
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The LV426 ship isn't a crash landing though. The ship isn't damaged and it doesn't have that hole through it like the one in Prometheus. Just that the pilot died possibly through misadventure. As well, the Jockey Room isn't the same as it is in Alien. The walls are very different. The plaform the Jockey is on is also quite different but there could still be more to the transformation of that room we haven't seen yet. We will find out in June though.

Here be spoilers based on what I've seen in the trailer.
It looks like the ship is encased in rock. When the bay doors of the Prometheus open and the vehicles roll out it looks like we can see a U shaped piece of rock ahead of them. The rocky tunnels they walk down look like stone has filled the ship somehow. I have a feeling the big dust storm is this rock being blown apart.
 
Warm Machine said:
The LV426 ship isn't a crash landing though. The ship isn't damaged and it doesn't have that hole through it like the one in Prometheus. Just that the pilot died possibly through misadventure. As well, the Jockey Room isn't the same as it is in Alien. The walls are very different. The plaform the Jockey is on is also quite different but there could still be more to the transformation of that room we haven't seen yet. We will find out in June though.
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What?

He has a chestburster hole in his chest.

They even mention how his bones are bent outward.
 
Not to derail but the thread, but to me, like I said earlier, Alien was a slasher movie (just like Terminator 1 was). Aliens was a zombie movie. Alien 3 has no simple definition like this, it basically tried to do what 1 and 2 did: slasher in the sense that it has one entity decimating a group of people, but zombie by having the protagonist(s) be a sort of hunter/survivalist. It couldn't sit comfortably by being two entirely different things at once. It diminished the alien's presence by making it weaker since it was actively hunted and alone.

I get the feeling this movie will be very different, something between 2001 and typical sci-fi movies like Event Horizon and the likes (everything falls apart at the end right after the meaning of the plot is revealed, and hope is left in some way).

It is almost 100% guaranteed to not be an Alien movie as we have known them.
 
this looks really cool. it makes me wanna rewatch alien & aliens..

i love the browns in this shot contrasting the blacks and greys in the rest of the trailer:

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I watched the first half of Alien last night. I hadn't seen it a long time. Did anyone notice the doors that look like masterchief?

Also, that blue laser mist covering the eggs. When he slips into it.. it really comes off like its a trap that has been set to ensnare prey.
 
Warm Machine said:
He does, yes but the ship he is in isn't damaged.
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I'm pretty sure it's established that it was a crash landing. Plus, do you really see enough of the ship to determine it's undamaged?

I think it's the same. We see it crash in the trailer, standing upright, and at some point it falls over.
 
wait, just learned with was shot on the RED. How did he get such a filmic look? It looks so great, unlike the glossy, digital look of The Hobbit.
 
I'm probably the only one who wants that Nick Cave-penned Gladiator 2 from Ridley Scott more than anything else.

It sounded so fucking out there.
 
Discotheque said:
I'm probably the only one who wants that Nick Cave-penned Gladiator 2 from Ridley Scott more than anything else.

It sounded so fucking out there.
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I want any kind of historical epic from him. Though Robin Hood did suck.


Expendable. said:
wait, just learned with was shot on the RED. How did he get such a filmic look? It looks so great, unlike the glossy, digital look of The Hobbit.
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Thinks like this and when the hobbit doesn't look like a soap opera are going to prove most of the fear of this new tech is unfounded.
 
Dax01 said:
What qualities give a film a "film" look? Just helping me to point it out.
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This shot in particular startled me as screaming of film quality:

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Whereas other films like the recent David Fincher projects, Soderbergh films, etc. all have a very fine digital look.
 
This film doesn't look particularly PG-13. Doesn't look terribly R either, but it's going to be pushing it, isn't it?

I'm predicting 15 rating over here in Blighty.
 
Expendable. said:
This shot in particular startled me as screaming of film quality:

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Whereas other films like the recent David Fincher projects, Soderbergh films, etc. all have a very fine digital look.
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The sensor capture is near-identical to film medium at this point. I'm not sure what differences you're pointing to, but I'd wager a guess and say that it has more to do with specific usage of the glass and post treatment than with the actual camera system.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
The sensor capture is near-identical to film medium at this point. I'm not sure what differences you're pointing to, but I'd wager a guess and say that it has more to do with specific usage of the glass and post treatment than with the actual camera system.
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Ah, interesting. I'm really not up on the tech points of RED, but just saying what I see. Very cool that they are able to do that.
 
i think we'll all have to get used to the fact that prometheus will be an entirely different film from ALIEN.
which was claustrophobic inducing, instinctual terror, which also, at the same time was perfect for cosy watching.
i have a feeling prometheus will be more grand in terms of scale. but it won't have anything near what I described above. the charisma brought to ALIEN by Ripley will also be impossible to duplicate or re-enact. seriously hoping we get SOME kind of Signourney cameo because of this.

long story short. prometheus looks great. but it's going to be an entirely different beast.
 
Truant said:
What was the Nick Cave Gladiator 2 script about? Any details?
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Russell Crowe's character becomes a sex addict and ends up killing an entire harem of prostitutes, painting the walls with their blood, and then burning it to the ground while he sits in the middle laughing.

Dialogue's poetic though.
 
Discotheque said:
I'm probably the only one who wants that Nick Cave-penned Gladiator 2 from Ridley Scott more than anything else.

It sounded so fucking out there.
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Gladiator's perfect as a standalone film, it doesn't ever need a sequel as the ending's perfect. Juba's adventures in his quest to get to his family or the script you mentioned would just taint Gladiator.

If anything Scott should have another go at the crusades, there are plenty of great stories that could be explored. The first crusade (the only successful one) or the third crusade with the like of The Lionheart, Saladin, Emperor Frederick Barbarossa (even though he drowned before even engaging in battle) and Philip II of France. Or maybe even the seventh crusade with the likes of Baibars, Louis IX and the added threat of the rising might of the Mongolians.

A very under utilised period in films.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I get the feeling this movie will be very different, something between 2001 and typical sci-fi movies like Event Horizon and the likes (everything falls apart at the end right after the meaning of the plot is revealed, and hope is left in some way).
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I think Scott said if he was going back to androids he wanted to have something fresh to say. I imagine the whole discovery of the origins of human life will affect everyone but especially the android. It would be weird finding your creator's creator.
 
Jtwo said:
I watched the first half of Alien last night. I hadn't seen it a long time. Did anyone notice the doors that look like masterchief?

Also, that blue laser mist covering the eggs. When he slips into it.. it really comes off like its a trap that has been set to ensnare prey.
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I believe the blue haze is actually what activates the eggs from some kind of long term incubated sleep.
 
FStop7 said:
I think there will always people who have doubts until the movie is released, and that's totally fine. When Phantom Menace came out my roommate absolutely refused to believe that Palpatine and Sidious were the same person. Even after I pointed out they were the same actor and that the Emperor's name in the Ep IV-VI trilogy was Palpatine. He was sure there was some kind of bait and switch coming, possibly involving clones.
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lol I can't believe how widespread that one was. This die hard fan I used to work with at an old job tried soooooo hard to convince me of that silly theory, like he'd broken some code. 'No, trust me, the senator is just going to turn out to be a clone who is being used by Sidious who will murder him and take over in Episode 3!' He was also in the 'Sidious is Anakin's real father' camp.
 
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