Right Let's Try This Again: PS3 Hypervisor Hacked
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Mejilan said:
This isn't a baby step. It's a side effect of not having a hypervisor in OtherOS. Looks like people with newer PS3s that have the smaller firmware flash chips could do the same thing without any sort of mod simply by stuffing their hard drive in a PC (it'd be a pain to find the partition though).
And since some people missed my earlier post and aren't bothering to read geohot's blog, here's a quote:
radiantdreamer said:
Well if he hadn't made bold claims originally maybe there would be less backlash.
I mean he went from
"Oh hai, I haz hacked PS3" to "Well fuck that shit I'm playing with OtherOS now" to "Bah, I have a life, have fun guys".
And apparently he hasn't released everything he has (or claims to have) to the... huh... "community" so that's kind of weird.
Somnid said:
He admittedly knows almost nothing about the PS3, since he's not an actual user. He's just putzing around, I imagine, getting his bearings.
Edit - I mean, he also pretty much came out a few weeks ago and said that he'd basically taken things as far as he could, that's why he released the exploit in the wild, to see what others could do with it. I agree that this recent update is totally pointless. Perhaps even damaging, given the backlash. I only posted what I did because, frankly, I don't think we can or should expect much more out of his re: the PS3.
In retrospect, I realize that was probably a bad choice of example, since it would be full of edited images. That was a picture of my Steam client I took when I was messing with its fonts, and it was the first thing on my photobucket account when I was looking for a picture to use.ElFly said:
Still, it clearly shows the effect that red has on the algorithm, and non-image parts like the text would also show how it can react strangely even to unedited parts.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/geohot-advises-against-updating-ps3-will-find-safe-way-around/
Geohot advises against updating PS3, will find 'safe way' around losing OS support
By Ross Miller posted Mar 29th 2010 10:04PM
In case you hadn't heard, there's a PlayStation 3 firmware update coming this Thursday that'd knock out the "install other OS" option and remove any currently-installed non-PS3 platform. Our guess is it's not going to affect the majority of owners, but the diehard users are certainly up in arms, and no one really likes losing a feature, even if it's rarely used. Leave it to Geohot, then, to right the wrong. Arguably the reason for Sony's reversal (see: PS3 exploit), the famed hacker has published not only a letter of sorrow at the company (unsurprising), but also a call for users not to update. Instead, he claims he will "look into a safe way of updating to retain OtherOS support" and issued a tech-savvy threat about "touching the CFW," much to the company's chagrin (trust us, you don't even want to know what he's talking about here -- far too scary). We wouldn't normally say a war's brewing, but ol' George Hotz has proven himself more than capable at starting something fierce.
Geohot advises against updating PS3, will find 'safe way' around losing OS support
By Ross Miller posted Mar 29th 2010 10:04PM
In case you hadn't heard, there's a PlayStation 3 firmware update coming this Thursday that'd knock out the "install other OS" option and remove any currently-installed non-PS3 platform. Our guess is it's not going to affect the majority of owners, but the diehard users are certainly up in arms, and no one really likes losing a feature, even if it's rarely used. Leave it to Geohot, then, to right the wrong. Arguably the reason for Sony's reversal (see: PS3 exploit), the famed hacker has published not only a letter of sorrow at the company (unsurprising), but also a call for users not to update. Instead, he claims he will "look into a safe way of updating to retain OtherOS support" and issued a tech-savvy threat about "touching the CFW," much to the company's chagrin (trust us, you don't even want to know what he's talking about here -- far too scary). We wouldn't normally say a war's brewing, but ol' George Hotz has proven himself more than capable at starting something fierce.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
^ they only link to their own stories? I want to see what he's talking about 
TouchMyBox
Member
Zen said:
Fuck him good for trying to let us do what we want with the hardware we bought!
Rally 'round with the pitchforks, gentlemen!
I'm sure 'trying' will be worth everything in the world if he fails, just like he failed with hacking the PS3 itself, so again, his attempts mean jack and shit and I'm out an other OS if I update, fuck him.
At the very least he could have been quiet about it until he had something, but oh no, 'Well the PS3 is hacked, where's my homebrew' (even though it wasn't hacked) was such a great thing to post out there in the wild; not to mention showing how he did the exploit and encouraging others to see how far they could get.
You bought the hardware to do what the developer intends for you to be able to do with it, sure you can attempt to do other things for shits and giggles, but for fucks sake be smart about it, and don't go crying when the corporation tries to protect itself from users attempting to make their product viable for piracy as a side consequence of whatever other ambition they have.
Regardless of if removing this feature is a good decision for Sony, the reality is what it is.
At the very least he could have been quiet about it until he had something, but oh no, 'Well the PS3 is hacked, where's my homebrew' (even though it wasn't hacked) was such a great thing to post out there in the wild; not to mention showing how he did the exploit and encouraging others to see how far they could get.
You bought the hardware to do what the developer intends for you to be able to do with it, sure you can attempt to do other things for shits and giggles, but for fucks sake be smart about it, and don't go crying when the corporation tries to protect itself from users attempting to make their product viable for piracy as a side consequence of whatever other ambition they have.
Regardless of if removing this feature is a good decision for Sony, the reality is what it is.
TouchMyBox
Member
Zen said:
But weren't his actions sort of what the open source community, and this whole debacle is all about? Sharing information, standing on the shoulders of giants, etc. His "announcement" may have been premature, but the community won't get anywhere if everybody keeps their findings to themselves.
It's Sony's prerogative to do what they want with their platform so long as nobody is hurt, but I know I'm gonna be waiting a little while to update my PS3 to see if anything comes out of this...
*dreams of mkv support*
TouchMyBox said:
Who says the community has to "go somewhere"? What is this, 1992? We all still hiding in BBS letting out secrets on how to get Hello World to appear on yet another screen?
I know we are a long way from it, but if CFW allowing loadable images comes to the PS3 = death to the system. Because for everyone claiming they don't pirate with CFW, there are ten that do, because they can.
Fucking generation with a PC mentality. "I bought my hardware, I should do whatever the fuck I want with it." What a load of shit.
WickedLaharl
Member
LovingSteam said:
i doubt he'll succeed but i hope that he does.
Grooski said:
Not PC mentality, imho, but the points are very, very, very true.
Hackers out there: WE GET IT. Every piece of hardware with a screen, you can make it write stuff to the screen. You can make custom firmware, you can make it run whatever you want it to. We get it, you guys are awesome.
In the meanwhile, by this "we are awesome", you cause these systems to be allowed to play pirated games. YOUR actions have those consequences. So stop this.
But of course they wont stop. They just destroy stuff. In the name of building and creating. Just like human history.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
even with the new fw and this guy apparently giving up...that wont stop the ps3 from being hacked...just my opinion
Yeah. Someone else dumped and published GameOS and the Blu-ray firmware or something, and people are now discussing whether or not Geohot sucks, because someone else did it first. Or released it first. Something like that. Doesn't really matter in the end. Shit got dumped, shit was put up for download, shit is analyzed as we speak - maybe it'll lead somewhere, maybe not.Teetris said:
radiantdreamer
Member
androvsky said:
and the geohotps3 blogspot is the real blog, right?
I honestly could care less about the piracy bit. I just wanna play my h246 in mkv natively among other annoyances.
vodka-bull
Member
As soon as they get a PS2 b/c to run again on slim, I'll hack the shit out of my PS3.
Vinterbird
Member
vodka-bull said:
Will never happen. Slim doesn't support OtherOS.
radiantdreamer
Member
Milhouse31 said:
I support this cause. Tired of large corporations restricting my system for the sake of corporate gain and other lame reasons. I want my MKV!
It would be nice to play PS2 games in actual 1080p as well instead of just upscaling. FFXII would look SO GOOD!
mclaren777
Member
Protecting the IP of developers/publishers is a lame reason?radiantdreamer said:
Sorry but I have to laugh at all the people angry at a company doing things to protect their assets, which does count as "financial gain" or "corporate gain". I mean don't we all work for "financial gain" or "corporate gain?" Short of the few that are either Mother Theresa or doing strictly charity work that is.
No matter what field you work in, I guarantee there is something you could be doing (that you aren't) that could "stick it to consumer" just a little less, albeit at some sort of financial loss to you, whether that be the loss of some salary or the loss of your job entirely.
No matter what field you work in, I guarantee there is something you could be doing (that you aren't) that could "stick it to consumer" just a little less, albeit at some sort of financial loss to you, whether that be the loss of some salary or the loss of your job entirely.
All I'm saying is look at the reason why Sony did this. To me this is a case of the few bad apples ruining it for everyone else, which happens all the time. If Sony had done nothing and left OtherOS (which geo and whoever else were already tinkering with) and they completely cracked the PS3, people ranging from Sony employees to game developer employees could lose their job if piracy becomes rampant. What did geo and the group of people working to crack the PS3 have to lose by just not doing what they were doing. Pride? Ego? I'm just saying direct the anger at the party that deserves it.
KernelPanic
Member
Sony wouldn't have blown away Linux support if they didn't feel that this GeoHot guy is on his way to cracking the PS3, ie. Sony's engineers feel that he COULD do it.
At this point they're just trying to contain any possible damage, if he develops a hack that requires Linux and the most PS3 have no Linux then it's no good.
Of course if he develops a way to do custom FW for any PS3, Sony and the PS3 are SOL, get ready to watch PS3 S/W sales slide.
And we all know that's what he's trying to do, regardless what he says.
At this point they're just trying to contain any possible damage, if he develops a hack that requires Linux and the most PS3 have no Linux then it's no good.
Of course if he develops a way to do custom FW for any PS3, Sony and the PS3 are SOL, get ready to watch PS3 S/W sales slide.
And we all know that's what he's trying to do, regardless what he says.
Again, not my problem. Sony fucked up, not me. When i pay £500 for something, i'm going to do whatever the hell i want with it, because it belongs to me. I can throw it down the stairs, turn it into a nuclear reactor, make it into a bbq grill or if i wanted to i could hack it. I can do all these wonderful things because it belongs to me, not Sony, not SOE, me. Yeah i don't want people to lose their jobs but the only ones to blame are Sony.jling84 said:
H_Prestige
Banned
radiantdreamer said:
Use the PC emulator. PS3 just isn't capable of emulating PS2 games even at native settings.
I don't understand why this rumour is still around? The specs dont reach anywhere near enough to run a ps2 game at fullspeed in any resolution, even if sony had the best of the best working on an emulator it would possibly run a few select games horribly. Also if Sony did have this magical technology why would they wait 3 years? you could argue to keep ps2 sales up, but that makes no sense. Why would they want people to buy a dying platform when they need to push software to make money?H_Prestige said:
H_Prestige
Banned
Massa said:
And right after he implies that it would be far from perfect.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well they can probably support games that aren't perfect with some game specific profiles, but the problem with that is the PS3 can't identify which game is on the disk.