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Rio Olympics : Egyptian Judoka Refuses to Shake Hands With Israeli
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nephilimdj
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I find it funny the other controversy is much worse, Hope Solo calling the Swedish team cowards
Silent protest is much better then being a verbal toxic nonsense
Silent protest is much better then being a verbal toxic nonsense
I'm honestly shocked more hasn't been made of it here. Talk about being a sore loser and a disgrace at the same time.
Morrigan Stark
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Wait what is this about?
Republic of Ezo
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The Ashkenazi and Sephardi were primarily immigrants into Europe as a result of the repeated destruction of the Jewish state and thus the spread of the Jewish diaspora. Most were not converts but were people forced out of their lands. And once IN Europe they were so heavily discriminated against (with the Holocaust being the most extreme example, but this occured in nearly every single country in Europe) that they were forced to immigrate again. So this is nonsense. The only reason the Ashkenazi and Sephardi even EXIST as distinct communities is because of European colonization of Palestine in the first place.
DrForester
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Please tell me the Israeli fighter beat him?
What a total dick.
What a total dick.
He beat him.
gutter_trash
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Hope Solo left a salty tweet after losing
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I wish I could act surprised but Hope Solo has a tendency to do stuff like that. Her comments are the definition of unsportsmanlike. You lost. It sucks. But saying they played like cowards?! Must have been a sale on sour grapes in the Olympic village. She'll say something to justify it before she apologizes.
I see.
Silent Chief
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He probably dodged a bullet by not shaking hands.
GrantDaNasty
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Bad look.
I don't fully find the thing happening with the Palestinians fair either, and feel that Israel seems to be one of the major powers behind the right-wing politics in the U.S, but it's the Olympics - The entire point is to come together and display friendly competition with one-another.
Not only did he pull a heel move, but he still lost. Does he think the people who urged him not to lose are going to be like "Man, you psyched him out with that handshake refusal doe!".
Poor form indeed.
If it was purely because he was worried about the backlash and possible harm he might receive, I feel like maybe he should've just backed out of the competition entirely, or go on the record and say someone threatened your life.
I don't fully find the thing happening with the Palestinians fair either, and feel that Israel seems to be one of the major powers behind the right-wing politics in the U.S, but it's the Olympics - The entire point is to come together and display friendly competition with one-another.
Not only did he pull a heel move, but he still lost. Does he think the people who urged him not to lose are going to be like "Man, you psyched him out with that handshake refusal doe!".
Poor form indeed.
If it was purely because he was worried about the backlash and possible harm he might receive, I feel like maybe he should've just backed out of the competition entirely, or go on the record and say someone threatened your life.
Wow, completely shameful and disappointing. Don't hold individuals accountable for their government, its not like he just refused to shake Netanyahu's hand or something. I think the first step for progress in this situation is to acknowledge the other side and realize its not as simple as black or white.
This was already settled?
Hope Solo was disrespectful toward the victorious Swedish team after they beat America:
After praising her teammates for tying the game in the 75th minute, saying it ”showed a lot of heart,’’ she ripped into the Swedes, saying they had played like “a bunch of cowards.’’
The Swedish coach then rekt Solo when asked about the comments:
“I don't give a crap,” she told reporters. “I'm going to Rio, she's going home.”
Morrigan Stark
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I know nothing of soccer so I had to google her. I seriously wondered why people were talking about some sort of Star Wars EU character... >_> And yeah, butthurt sore loser comment haha.
HAHAHAHAHA rekt indeed
I love the coach's comment. Straight fucking ether
ShinRPGamer
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Not only did he beat him, the Israeli Judoka in question managed to get a bronze medal. A first for Israel in that weight class.
Jag
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You haven't been paying much attention to right-wing politics lately.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Being a good sportsman comes second to looking out for your life. There is no telling what could be going on there. All it takes is one loon.
GrantDaNasty
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It's not that surprising for me. The hate from Arab countries to anything Israel is immense...not just because of the Palestinian Arabs situation (coming from Egypt that would even be kind of hypocrite, just look at Gaza), but because Israeli-Arab conflicts are just rooted so hard into some people...it's a conflict that's spread through so many years.
But again, it could very well be because of security reasons. Too bad it has to be like this, even when Egypt is a country that Israel is at peace with and got land back from it.
But again, it could very well be because of security reasons. Too bad it has to be like this, even when Egypt is a country that Israel is at peace with and got land back from it.
Wag
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Yes because their gov't plays it up to distract them from things going on at home.
That said, the Olympics is no place for politics. It's to bring all nations together in the spirit of sportsmanship.
gutter_trash
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I want to know where you people that are all so concerned for this persons life are hearing that he was in mortal danger if he shook the Israeli's hand. Egypt isn't Iran and Egypt probably has the best relationship with Israel out of any country in the middle east.
All you guys are doing is coming up with your own hypothetical situations to handwave awag what an idiot he was. If shaking the guys hand puts him in so much danger, he lost the match, what does that say. Why did he even enter the Olympics then?
how does that work exactly with Egypt being an active oppressor of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip, shouldn't he refuse to represent Egypt if the Palestinians plight is his issue?
shouldn't every Arab country that refuses to compete against Israeli athlete do the same to Egypt?
what grievances specifically are you talking about?
I think what they're trying to say is the situation is more complicated than it appears. More than just "bad sportsmanship" (See: Hope Solo)
Hopefully the Egyptian fighter payed his respect to him in private.
One of my friends looks like that and he's a pretty nice guy. How can you be so judgmental about people's bodies, something they can't control?
efyu_lemonardo
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The guys irrational disrespect towards a fellow competitor is weird, but so long as he lost and now has to accept he got his ass handed to him by an Israeli; I feel that's enough Karma to balance the situation out.
The Olympian who pissed me off the most so far this year, was the Kuwaiti shooter (Fehaid Aldeehani?) who started running around celebrating before the contest was even other, all the other contenders had to delay their final (and 2nd place contending) shots for like 5 minutes while he pranced around like a smug twat.
The Olympian who pissed me off the most so far this year, was the Kuwaiti shooter (Fehaid Aldeehani?) who started running around celebrating before the contest was even other, all the other contenders had to delay their final (and 2nd place contending) shots for like 5 minutes while he pranced around like a smug twat.
The Olympics has been political for a very long time now. And will continue to be until we stop hating each other around the world. Which will take a very long time. People have competed in the Olympics and have used it to make political statements. Boycotts exist. Terrible events based on politics have taken place at them. Hell, the selection of countries to hold the games can be based on politics.
As for this situation? Man, that's some complex stuff over a handshake. I honestly feel for both parties here. =/ It's one thing to say that he should have bowed to his opponent (which he should have without trying to back out of it) just due to both being Judokas. But anything after, if there was any thought in that competitor's mind that harm could come to him or his family over a handshake, I can't fault him for backing away (especially if there was a language barrier? I don't know). If he is a jerk though? That sucks. Tough situation. =/
timetokill
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In my opinion, if you can't respect your competitors then you shouldn't be competing against them.
There have been plenty of political protests related to the Olympics, and hey, that's cool -- don't participate if you want to protest.
This guy should've forfeit before the match if he can't respect the fundamentals of the sport (bow) and even basic human decency.
There have been plenty of political protests related to the Olympics, and hey, that's cool -- don't participate if you want to protest.
This guy should've forfeit before the match if he can't respect the fundamentals of the sport (bow) and even basic human decency.
It's hard for me to say on this matter....
on one hand it's disgraceful, but on the other what do we really know about the guy? he could have family and children and where he lives that could probably cause some serious problems.
if shaking the guys hand could put your life, your families life at risk wtf you gonna do? but then again if no one stands up to radical islam from within it's never going to change.
on one hand it's disgraceful, but on the other what do we really know about the guy? he could have family and children and where he lives that could probably cause some serious problems.
if shaking the guys hand could put your life, your families life at risk wtf you gonna do? but then again if no one stands up to radical islam from within it's never going to change.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Do you what would've happened of he shook his hands?
AL Jazerah Arabic (it became a Muslim Brotherhood official channel based on its agenda) will have a field triplease.
The guy will be labeled as he shook his hand with the a Zionist aka Palestinian killers in all Arabic countries. At least between Governments they can say we were forced for diplomacy.
Palestinians having a country will help Israel to be recognized by most Arabic countries and I think Israelis as citizens wants piece and good relationship with neighboring countries. It'll also be easy to label Hamas as terrorists instead of their current fake image of Palestinian saviour.
PS : Hamas killed more Egyptian soldiers than that of Israel.
AL Jazerah Arabic (it became a Muslim Brotherhood official channel based on its agenda) will have a field triplease.
The guy will be labeled as he shook his hand with the a Zionist aka Palestinian killers in all Arabic countries. At least between Governments they can say we were forced for diplomacy.
Palestinians having a country will help Israel to be recognized by most Arabic countries and I think Israelis as citizens wants piece and good relationship with neighboring countries. It'll also be easy to label Hamas as terrorists instead of their current fake image of Palestinian saviour.
PS : Hamas killed more Egyptian soldiers than that of Israel.
Does that mean I shouldn't shake a french hand because they took Alsace-Lorraine from us after WW 1?
I love how we all just accept Egypt is a country where its citizens get murdered for shaking someone's hand.
Mailenstein
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While I think that at a place like this politics should have no place, reality is different. Yes, it is some kind of asshole behaviour, but after losing to an Israeli I can see why he is not shaking his hand. He wouldn't be safe at home, because of how many nutjobs there are in Egypt who would lynch him for that.
The Olympics have always been extremely political since like forever. Be it the one during Nazi Germany, or USA and USSR & Co. boycotting each other during the Cold War period etc. - there are just too many examples.
The Olympics have always been extremely political since like forever. Be it the one during Nazi Germany, or USA and USSR & Co. boycotting each other during the Cold War period etc. - there are just too many examples.
toddhunter
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And do what, run for president?
I keep seeing people compare this to the conduct between North and South Koreans and I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. North Korea isn't a racist colony on Korean land, Israel is. Israel is about white Europeans believing themselves to be entitled to land in the Middle East just by virtue of being European. Again, the best comparison would be an African athlete, from Ghana or Kenya or something, refusing to shake hands with a white athlete from Apartheid South Africa. Because in conflicts like the one in Israel and South Africa the mere presence of the individual is seen as part of the problem. No South Korean is going to think a North Korean has 'taken his land' or is somewhere he isn't supposed to be but that's entirely what some people feel about Jewish Europeans in Israel or, back during the days of Apartheid, about Europeans in South Africa.
I get what you're saying about how north and south koreans but if you think it's not a big deal to take a selfie together compared to an arab muslim shaking hands with an Israeli, you clearly have no idea about the relationship between N and S Korea. I mean, they are still technically at war, for crying out loud.
This guy was just being an immature baby. Disgracing his sport and frankly his religion and state. Respecting your opponent is like rule number one. If you can't do that then get the f out.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Between all Arabs, Egyptians are the most vocal about fighting for Palestinian rights given that they were the first that recognized Israel back in the 70s which resulted in an uproar among not just Arab but Muslim nations.
It's very sensitive and as damaging as some of being labeled as an Anti-Semitic in the West.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Not defending Israel, but a very substantial number of Jewish Israelis are not of European origin. A lot of them "can't go back to Europe", which I'm assuming is your solution.
Also, rolling this in with European colonialism doesn't make any sense in the first place. Completely different causes. Potentially even insulting to those Jewish victims of this "White European" superiority you mention.
PdotMichael
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There is no additional political dimension when an American calls Swedes coward. Just Solo being an idiot once again.
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