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[Vuze]

Yeah 30 FPS is like a slideshow. I'm not exaggerating. Once you start playing at over 100 FPS, you can notice the separation between frames at 30 and even 60 FPS.
60 FPS isn't bad but 30 is bad.

Yup, not even kidding, I wouldn't sacrifice performance over IQ ever at this point.
I recently played a bit of TLoU Remastered on PS4 and just couldn't handle the 30fps version and its horrendous motion blur, got sick after a few minutes. Luckily there was a 60fps switch in this case (even though in my case it meant 720p instead of 1080p; capture card limitation which I have to use because of my monitor lacking HDMI in).

Pretty optimistic I can enjoy RotR with my modest rig at a comfortable refresh rate and pleasing image quality anyway.

 

[NeoRaider]

Yeah 30 FPS is like a slideshow. I'm not exaggerating. Once you start playing at over 100 FPS, you can notice the separation between frames at 30 and even 60 FPS.
60 FPS isn't bad but 30 is bad.

It's not great, but it's not a slideshow. Ok i never experienced 60+ fps in games but 30 is fine.

But yeah even few frames above 30 like 40-45 feels much smoother.

 

[Kezen]

Um, this is a wallpaper, not an in-game screenshot right?

It's in-game actually. But obviously supersampled.

Cutscenes are real-time in this game but they do use higher quality assets.

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

Yeah 30 FPS is like a slideshow. I'm not exaggerating. Once you start playing at over 100 FPS, you can notice the separation between frames at 30 and even 60 FPS.
60 FPS isn't bad but 30 is bad.

Slideshow is going a bit far.....I'm all for 60fps, but saying a game is effectively unplayable is crazy talk. I guess you don't play console games then.

 

[ScepticMatt]

It looks really good for a game, but I just spent 3 hours going through a 300 slide presentation on skin/eye rendering so I can't help pick up on all the issues

Is said presentation publicy available? I only remember the GPUgems tutorial.

 

[UnrealEck]

It's not great, but it's not a slideshow. Ok i never experienced 60+ fps in games but 30 is fine.

Once you try 100+ FPS for a while you'll notice it. But I'm sure if you go back to 60 constantly, you'll get used to that again too.
By 'slideshow' I mean you can see the separation between frames. That sort of jerky stutter when something animates or moves.

but saying a game is effectively unplayable is crazy talk..

That's not what I'm saying.

 

[TheVampire]

3 new PC screens:

I know shes good but theres no way she can take a fucking bear in one on one combat

 

[SenkiDala]

I know shes good but theres no way she can take a fucking bear in one on one combat

It's a video game. And Lara Croft fought against dragons, so a bear...

 

[AEREC]

hows the replayabilty on this game vs the 2013 version? I enjoyed TR2013 but didn't really go back to it afterwards.

 

[TheYanger]

hows the replayabilty on this game vs the 2013 version? I enjoyed TR2013 but didn't really go back to it afterwards.

There's more reason to do everything, 2013 had a lot to do but nobody bothered (almost everyone that claims it didn't have open areas and was totally linear DEFINITELY didn't explore), this one is much more rewarding in that regard. as far as REPLAYing the game? It's about the same as any other game, if you want to go for it, if not don't. Endurance mode is infinitely replayable but that's DLC and I haven't gone for it myself.

It's also longer, if you aren't just rushing the main objectives only you'll probably spend around 20 hours the first time. Took me about 24 to get 100%.

 

[alexbull_uk]

Really tempted by this because as much as I love it on Xbox One, the huge amount input lag is driving me crazy.

 

[texhnolyze]

It's a video game. And Lara Croft fought against dragons, so a bear...

And a T-rex.
A bear is nothing for her.

 

[patapuf]

I know shes good but theres no way she can take a fucking bear in one on one combat

Back in my day she fought a T-Rex. Bears are small potatoes

 

[viveks86]

Back in my day she fought a T-Rex. Bears are small potatoes

Well, given this is a reboot, the T-rex hasn't happened yet. Baby steps, ya know?

 

[JimmyRustler]

Yeah 30 FPS is like a slideshow. I'm not exaggerating. Once you start playing at over 100 FPS, you can notice the separation between frames at 30 and even 60 FPS.
60 FPS isn't bad but 30 is bad.

Can we stop this elitist talk please? I went from playing games with 140 fps on PC to Bloodborne and while it's obviously a big difference, I got used to it very quickly.

 

[jim2point0]

It's not elitist. Holy shit. Some people legit can not stand 30 FPS after they've experienced much higher.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It's not elitist. Holy shit. Some people legit can not stand 30 FPS after they've experienced much higher.

It's not elitist but it comes across as a little braggy sometimes being all like "30fps is a slideshow/disgusting/awful"

It's like going "budget hotels are garbage, I only stay in Hyatt hotels" - ok, thank u, I'm glad you are able to stay at Hyatt hotels but there are some really great budget hotels too

 

[Rex Griswold]

Can we stop this elitist talk please? I went from playing games with 140 fps on PC to Bloodborne and while it's obviously a big difference, I got used to it very quickly.

It's not elitist, it's pretty legitimate, even on consoles. Going from Halo 5 to Destiny gave me headaches. I'm sure that had more to do with the size of the TV though.

 

[Sky Saw]

The definitive edition saw new effects added to the PS4/Xbone versions that weren't added to the PC version. It's not unprecedented.

In this case I imagine it would be a new, discount release for all platforms though. So maybe the improvements would be included for everyone. All just speculation, though, who knows?

That was going from last gen to current gen..This is one the same generation of consoles. I'm sure they will add slightly better AA solution than the Xbone version but better than the PC? that is just laughable.

It's not elitist. Holy shit. Some people legit can not stand 30 FPS after they've experienced much higher.

It's weird how having high standards is considered elitist. Oh well.

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

Can we stop this elitist talk please? I went from playing games with 140 fps on PC to Bloodborne and while it's obviously a big difference, I got used to it very quickly.

Exactly the same as me, except I had a 120hz monitor until recently. Bloodborne was/is still awesome at 30. I've got a 4KTV now, and yeah 60 is great, I'll happily take 4K 30, the 30/60/144 thing is way overplayed.

 

[Shin-chan]

That was going from last gen to current gen..This is one the same generation of consoles. I'm sure they will add slightly better AA solution than the Xbone version but better than the PC? that is just laughable.



It's weird how having high standards is considered elitist. Oh well.

I'm more thinking:

1. They have 9 months to work on the game.
2. They likely have a 30 fps target for PS4.

So there's a chance you will see some differences between the vanilla PC version and whatever is available next holiday when it releases on PS4. I'm not saying it's definitely happening, but there is a chance. Nixxes don't half arse stuff.

 

[Primethius]

Not being able to stand 30FPS is the opposite of elitism. It means your eyes are too weak.

Spoiler

:^)

 

[orochi91]

It's not elitist. Holy shit. Some people legit can not stand 30 FPS after they've experienced much higher.

I find it amusing that those people are utterly incapable of readjusting to 30fps or 60fps, lol

They've permanently locked themselves out of many games.

Exactly the same as me, except I had a 120hz monitor until recently. Bloodborne was/is still awesome at 30. I've got a 4KTV now, and yeah 60 is great, I'll happily take 4K 30, the 30/60/144 thing is way overplayed.

+1

Agreed.

 

[EatChildren]

It's not elitist or bragging. Not even close. If someone is attuned to and hugely preferring the superior input and display response of 60fps, dropping to 30fps with dips could be for them borderline unplayable. For specific technical reasons.

I adjust just fine and maybe you do too, but yeah.

 

[Qassim]

Exactly the same as me, except I had a 120hz monitor until recently. Bloodborne was/is still awesome at 30. I've got a 4KTV now, and yeah 60 is great, I'll happily take 4K 30, the 30/60/144 thing is way overplayed.

How can people's preferences be overplayed? It's like saying "the whole people liking black cars thing is so overplayed".

 

[jim2point0]

I find it amusing that those people are utterly incapable of liking meat.

They've permanently locked themselves out of many sandwiches.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

I find it amusing that those people are utterly incapable of liking meat.

They've permanently locked themselves out of many sandwiches.

Finally a joke lol, this thread turned into PC master race all of the sudden

 

[etta]

Yup, not even kidding, I wouldn't sacrifice performance over IQ ever at this point.
I recently played a bit of TLoU Remastered on PS4 and just couldn't handle the 30fps version and its horrendous motion blur, got sick after a few minutes. Luckily there was a 60fps switch in this case (even though in my case it meant 720p instead of 1080p; capture card limitation which I have to use because of my monitor lacking HDMI in).

Pretty optimistic I can enjoy RotR with my modest rig at a comfortable refresh rate and pleasing image quality anyway.

TLOU:R 30fps is a terrible quick-and-dirty type thing, as are R6S's AI modes. The developers were lazy with those settings. If you want to see a good 30fps try Forza Horizon 2. There's a hilariously massive difference between TLOU:R 30fps and FH2 30fps.
Then there's most games where 30fps is done well, but could be a bit better with superior motion blur and input enhancements.

 

[Parsnip]

Finally a joke lol, this thread turned into PC master race all of the sudden

Can we as a society stop using that term?

 

[orochi91]

Can we as a society stop using that term?

So long as posts like this happen, that term will probably continue to hold relevance.

 

[Qassim]

Nope.

So long as posts like this happen, that term will continue to hold relevance.

But 30fps vs 60fps is not a 'master race' thing at all. Console/mobile/arcade/ players can prefer 60fps over 30fps just as much as that post, at that point it has literally nothing to do with gaming platforms. It holds no relevance in this context and is just needlessly inflammatory.

If you can't deal with other people having preferences without slinging implied insults at people, maybe forums aren't for you.

 

[Xyber]

Finally a joke lol, this thread turned into PC master race all of the sudden

There's absolutely nothing "PC master race" about disliking 30fps. It's the lowest standard the devs could set where they could push more pixels/polygons on consoles and it's still "playable" (yet, that doesn't stop some studios from releasing games that drop to the low teens), that's the only reason most games still only run at 30fps on consoles.

Graphics > responsiveness/fluidity because graphics sell games.

 

[Durante]

Is said presentation publicy available? I only remember the GPUgems tutorial.

Sure, it's here.

Can we as a society stop using that term?

As far as I know, the official moderation policy is that we should.

 

[Parsnip]

Nope.

So long as posts like this happen, that term will continue to hold relevance.

It never held any relevance and has very poor connotations.

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

How can people's preferences be overplayed? It's like saying "the whole people liking black cars thing is so overplayed".

It's not about preferences, believe me I love 60fps and would prefer to play games at that refresh, but it doesn't make 30fps games all of a sudden rubbish/unplayable, which is how some people react over 30fps, it's just over the top. Perhaps they are just not wording it very well......

 

[Durante]

It's not about preferences, believe me I love 60fps and would prefer to play games at that refresh, but it doesn't make 30fps games all of a sudden rubbish/unplayable, which is how some people react over 30fps, it's just over the top. Perhaps they are just not wording it very well......

It's a personal preference to consider 30 FPS unplayable. It's not one that I share, but that doesn't render it objectively invalid.

 

[orochi91]

There's absolutely nothing "PC master race" about disliking 30fps. It's the lowest standard the devs could set where they could push more pixels/polygons on consoles and it's still "playable" (yet, that doesn't stop some studios from releasing games that drop to the low teens), that's the only reason most games still only run at 30fps on consoles.

Graphics > responsiveness/fluidity because graphics sell games.

Insomniac detailed this a while back, where they opted to forgo 60fps in their games for better graphics because their research indicated that frame rate doesn't market as well as prettier graphics do.

 

[texhnolyze]

People should stop bringing up elitism and PCMR thing everytime someone mention framerates preference. It has nothing to do with PC gaming.

PC gamers do play at 30fps as well. I mostly play on PC and I prefer 30fps with maxed settings as my PC just can't handle 60fps anymore. I also prefer high IQ at 30fps than 60fps with low/medium settings. Even some of the ones with high-end machines still prefer 4k 30fps over 1080p 60fps. 30 vs 60fps is not all about PC gaming anyway, even there are many console games running at 60fps.

 

[Qassim]

It's not about preferences, believe me I love 60fps and would prefer to play games at that refresh, but it doesn't make 30fps games all of a sudden rubbish/unplayable

Why not? Because you personally don't think so and therefore it's impossible for someone else to think otherwise unless they're.. lying..? I really don't get why it's difficult to understand different people have difference preferences for what they find enjoyable.

 

[etta]

It's a personal preference to consider 30 FPS unplayable. It's not one that I share, but that doesn't render it objectively invalid.

But then everything everyone says is subjective, including "saying 30fps is unplayable is a very PC master race thing to say".
Right?

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

It's a personal preference to consider 30 FPS unplayable. It's not one that I share, but that doesn't render it objectively invalid.

Sure, in that case then I'm sure they would never touch a console 30fps game ever then.. That would be like forcing torture on themselves....but I guess we wouldn't know if they really are 60fps only heroes.

 

[scitek]

Insomniac detailed this a while back, where they opted to forgo 60fps in their games for better graphics because their research indicated that frame rate doesn't market as well as prettier graphics do.

I argue that's because the layman has no clue what "60fps" means when they hear it. There is a reason Call of Duty has done so well for so long, though.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

I know shes good but theres no way she can take a fucking bear in one on one combat

She does so much more in that game

 

[Durante]

But then everything everyone says is subjective, including "saying 30fps is unplayable is a very PC master race thing to say".
Right?

No. There are plenty of objective statements one can make.

Like "My computer hardware offers 6 times higher CPU performance in terms of LINPACK than a PS4".

Or "SGSSAA features superior shader aliasing reduction compared to MSAA".

Or, to make it more relevant for this thread, "The PC version of Rise of the Tomb Raider will be capable of running at far higher framerate and visual fidelity compared to the Xbox One version".

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Having preferences for something does not make the other terrible, opinions and all, calling 30 frames a slideshow is reaching, hence the reason i use the PC master race as sarcasm, going from 60 to 30 is a striking change but not unplayable or slideshow by any means

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Yeah 30 FPS is like a slideshow. I'm not exaggerating. Once you start playing at over 100 FPS, you can notice the separation between frames at 30 and even 60 FPS.
60 FPS isn't bad but 30 is bad.

Wow... Are you able to watch movies?

 

[FairXchange]

The consoles had a lot to with that, better multi-threaded code on games is certainly a good thing, Ubisoft is famous for that since FC4 is another game which made good use of as many cores as you had.


The shots on the last page looked mighty nice, I still wonder why some people favor 1080p 60fps over much better IQ at 4k 30fps or 1440p with some dips below 60fps.....On the flip, I don't think the game is going to be as tasking as some are thinking it will be.

My rig will likely run it at 1440p and above 60fps. Any dips should be minimal, and I've got freesync to ensure everything stays smooth.

 

[Durante]

Wow... Are you able to watch movies?

Actually, panning shots in 24 FPS movies are pretty bad sometimes. (And I'm not even a "60 FPS or bust" guy)

 

[orochi91]

I argue that's because the layman has no clue what "60fps" means when they hear it. There is a reason Call of Duty has done so well for so long, though.

Insomniac releases mostly single-player games, so that's probably why they felt it was appropriate to ditch 60fps for better graphics.

On the other hand, in multiplayer-focused games like COD, responsiveness is critical, hence the need for higher fps.

 

[Adry9]

I think the main problem here is the way you say things.

"After having a Ferrari driving a Toyota is not very nice."

is not the same as

"Holy shit guys, since I have a Ferrari I don't know how can you put up with those cars, I'd rather take a cab."