Robin Williams dead at 63

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Amir0x said:
Parkinson's Disease and depression... it's no wonder Robin Williams felt overwhelmed and went to that dark place. So sad he couldn't get himself out of that spiral :(
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I'm more sad we have diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer and that people like Robin Williams get them. I can't really blame people for wanting to clock out early once they got those especially at his age, as noted those aren't really the "temporary problems" the .gif mentioned. :/
 
GhaleonEB said:
I've seen that .gif of Robin saying "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" quite a few times this week. Prior to this new information, I saw him saying that and thought about how depression can overwhelm such rational thinking. The Parkinson's revelation changes that reading. He was facing a long-term decline of health that was not going to get better.
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Your point still stands, but that is from the film "World's Greatest Dad," they're not his own words.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I've seen that .gif of Robin saying "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" quite a few times this week. Prior to this new information, I saw him saying that and thought about how depression can overwhelm such rational thinking. The Parkinson's revelation changes that reading. He was facing a long-term decline of health that was not going to get better.
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Robin didn't say that, his character in a movie said that. That's precisely the stuff that's kinda irking me about all this. People aren't separating the man from his characters. One of the biggest points of that movie is about how people create a fiction of a person and their life after their death....which is pretty freaking ironic.
 
I've never liked that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" saying anyways. it's both mildly condescending/arrogant (even when it's said with good intentions) and really just outright inaccurate.
 
Ferrio said:
Robin didn't say that, his character in a movie said that. That's precisely the stuff that's kinda irking me about all this. People aren't separating the man from his characters. One of the biggest points of that movie is about how people create a fiction of a person and their life after their death....which is pretty freaking ironic.
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It's always a bit weird when an actor dies and the media uses whatever they can find from their films to tug on the heartstrings or try to make a connection. I've seen the graduation scene from 'Jack' a few too many times over the past few days because people think that his talking about death has taken on added weight. Guess what; that scene and that film were, and continue to be, absolute shit. Robin Williams' death is tragic enough on its own without trying to use his work to create some sort of narrative about his life. At least 'World's Greatest Dad' is an interesting film, but yeah, the irony has been totally overlooked.
 
Inferno313 said:
Your point still stands, but that is from the film "World's Greatest Dad," they're not his own words.
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Ferrio said:
Robin didn't say that, his character in a movie said that. That's precisely the stuff that's kinda irking me about all this. People aren't separating the man from his characters. One of the biggest points of that movie is about how people create a fiction of a person and their life after their death....which is pretty freaking ironic.
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Thanks, I didn't know that. I'm retroactively grouchy at those who posted it without context. :\
 
I'm rewatching Mrs. Doubtfire for the first time since I was a child. Oh God, the feels... I now feel much more closer to the father than before and I don't even have children :(
 
GhaleonEB said:
Thanks, I didn't know that. I'm retroactively grouchy at those who posted it without context. :\
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Your punishment is you have to watch the movie, it's on netflix. Though it's a dark comedy that revolves around suicide of one of the characters, so...might not be the best time. Ending is great though. It also has probably the douchiest character in cinema history.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I've often thought about how I would respond to a debilitating disease like Parkinson's. Partly out of general fear and partly due to watching my mother decline in mobility and ultimately die when confined to a bed she could not get out of. I don't want to live in a state where I'm immobilized, and being a burden to others. At the point where that starts to happen, I'd think about checking out, too. But thrown in everything else Robin was dealing with and his death - while no less sad and tragic - makes a lot more sense now. I wish he was still with us. But I feel like we have a much more clear view of what led him to take his life.
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I think The Onion covered it well.

Edit: You actually edited out the part of the post I was referring to. But yeah, this is about people using gifs from his movies and such.
 
jtb said:
I've never liked that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" saying anyways. it's both mildly condescending/arrogant (even when it's said with good intentions) and really just outright inaccurate.
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"World's Greatest Dad" is a very clever black comedy. I think the condescending tone was intentional.
 
I suspected something like a dementia diagnosis may have been involved in his decision. I always do when older people kill themselves. I have my exit strategy planned out for such a contingency and it's a lot cleaner than Robin's method, which seemed very hasty and desperate.
 
dejay said:
I suspected something like a dementia diagnosis may have been involved in his decision. I always do when older people kill themselves. I have my exit strategy planned out for such a contingency and it's a lot cleaner than Robin's method, which seemed very hasty and desperate.
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Killing yourself isn't easy. The body's most primal instinct is to survive, try holding yourself under water for too long and you'll automatically thrash to the top for example.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Thanks, I didn't know that. I'm retroactively grouchy at those who posted it without context. :\
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I thought it was obvious even out of context that this was a character he was playing. It looked like a TV broadcast, but notably had a name that WASN'T Robin Williams in the corner. Still, there's the fact he played that role and may've kept those words in mind.

But that phrase is more relevant to someone whose young and reasonably healthy, but for whatever reason is suffering a bout of depression because unless it's an untreatably extreme chemical imbalance something can be done and worked through, hopefully, but illnesses that can hobble you for life aren't really a temporary problem in any way, and if you're already old it really calls into question what the point of fighting it even is.
 
dejay said:
I suspected something like a dementia diagnosis may have been involved in his decision. I always do when older people kill themselves. I have my exit strategy planned out for such a contingency and it's a lot cleaner than Robin's method, which seemed very hasty and desperate.
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I want to elaborate on this, but I feel discussing the success/failures of specific suicidal methodologies would be extremely inappropriate. They would also be personal, and I'm not even sure the thread should be derailed for that. As a long winded echo to Acorn, no it's not that easy to kill yourself and I personally doubt this was hasty and desperate.
 
I admit that I don't know much about PD but why couldn't he manage it for a period of time like Michael J Fox? Is the issue that Robin Williams is much older and that PD progresses much quicker?
 
Eusis said:
I thought it was obvious even out of context that this was a character he was playing. It looked like a TV broadcast, but notably had a name that WASN'T Robin Williams in the corner. Still, there's the fact he played that role and may've kept those words in mind.
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I assumed it was from an anti-suicide PSA, thus explaining the production values.
 
I have sympathy for someone who doesn't want to live with Parkinson's and would rather control their situation. I just wish there was another way out of it for him.

My god man, look at this list of performances:

The World According To Garp
Good Morning Vietnam
Dead Poets Society
Awakenings
The Fisher King
Aladdin
Toys (seriously underrated)
The Birdcage
Hamlet
Good Will Hunting
Insomnia
 
Watching my dad decline from Parkinson's has been horrible. Unfortunately with robin Williams history of depression and the fact that Parkinson's and the meds for it cause depression probably compounded his problems.
 
Haven't been following the thread, but just saw this pic, thought it was nice:

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Watched Good Will Hunting and Dead Poets Society for the first time last night. I always knew him for comedy and Disney, but damn, his drama performances were so good
 
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
 
lmbotiva said:
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
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I believe he was Jewish.
 
lmbotiva said:
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
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The bible says a lot of things that I think the religious are free to ignore. In this case, it is very justified.
 
lmbotiva said:
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
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The Bible doesn't say you won't "get proper closure by the church" or that you will go to hell for committing suicide.
 
lmbotiva said:
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
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Nowadays many religions and their denominations take into account that suicide is almost always a result of mental illness, and so it wouldn't affect things such as burial places and services after death like it used to in the Catholic church.
 
lmbotiva said:
please please please don't hate me GAF but i have to ask this question

AFAIK anyone who is religious and according to the bible suicide means murder and those who take a life will not get proper closure by the church, does anyone know what religion he was? i believe in god and the bible and i pray for him and his soul but remembering this has me very sad
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From Wikipedia:

He was a member of the Episcopal Church. He described his denomination in a comedy routine as "Catholic Lite—same rituals, half the guilt."
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Koko the Gorilla Mourns Actor Robin Williams

What is so very striking is the immediate bond Koko developed with the actor. Koko understands around 2,000 words of spoken English and is fluent in a modified form of American Sign Language with a working vocabulary of more than 500 words.

On Monday, the day the world was informed of Williams’ death. Koko watched as the phone call of the sad news was received by Dr. Penny Patterson and Dr. Ron Cohn at The Gorilla Foundation. Koko went over to Dr. Patterson with an inquiring look on her face. The doctor told Koko “we have lost a dear friend, Robin Williams,” to which Koko became quiet and thoughtful. By the end of the day, Koko’s lip quivered and her head turned down in a somber repose.

“And when you remember Robin Williams, remember that he is not only one of the world’s most beloved entertainers, he is also one of the world’s most powerful ambassadors for great ape conservation.”
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apologies if it's been posted already.
 
It's amazing watching all these old clips and looking back on what were some of the funniest moments of my life growing up. Going to the theater to see Hook, Mrs. Doubtfire and the many other incredible films Robin was apart of really brings back some amazing memories that will never be forgotten.

RIP Robin Williams, a true talent was lost but not forgotten.
 
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