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PhoncipleBone said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13235725&postcount=2051

Interesting info there. Comparison vids between GH and RB2. Some places it looks like Neversoft overcharted stuff, and some places looks like they undercharted. Interesting.
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Some of the things are always going to be hard, especially in solos, because of expressive techniques used on the guitar that simply aren't possible in the game. It's really up to how much each company wants to try and replicate that and the manner in which they try to do so. Same sort of thing with three-note chords. It can be tough to determine exactly when you want to go with that considering a lot of the two-note chords are likely being played with three frets fingered IRL.

Others, like cutting the muted notes in "Ramblin' Man" seem more like undercharting it to make it a bit easier and because most players wouldn't notice it. I'd say that's an acceptable thing to do for Hard, but not Expert. Basically when comparing the two charts in that video it looks like the Hard and Expert charts and, if everything else was the same, would actually be a pretty good job.

Something I'd really like to see is someone comparing the charts for each game against each other as well as the actual sheet music (tab and notation together ideally) for the song. Sure you still have the problems of inaccurate tabbing, but it would be interesting.

Bringing that point up is also a relevant one. In the world of actual music people are always fighting over the correct way to chart out songs. Many times published tab isn't even accurate or has glaring errors generally because the original author never wrote it out, it's what someone transcribed by listening to the song. Sometimes you get great authors working on it though (Steve Vai transcribed the old Frank Zappa Guitar Book before later going on to play with Zappa and then to just being awesome full-time, Vic Wooten released a book of his own transcriptions for his songs... and given the complexity and challenge of them it's a damn good thing too) and sometimes you get teenagers posting it online with huge errors. It's really a shame we can't get musicians transcribing their own work. It would be nice to have more or less definitive versions of songs out there if only to settle arguments.
 
ya, I can see that the chart is probably charting the sound of the snare drum.

I keep listening for a guitar sound that they might be charting, but I can only hear the part charted for RB (e.g. half of the Guitar Hero chart), but I don't hear anything over the drums.

*edit: I really can't tell over the drums. They chart the same thing at 3:30 though.
Also, they have access to the masters and can listen to just the guitar track and not the drums or anything else. Why on earth are they different in the first place?
 
wow at BYOB. the charts are so similar.

also, the GH chart looks much easier than the RB one. GH even has less charted at one point.

*the reason it's easier is because you don't have to do the finger splits (hold green and alternate tapping blue and orange) with GH, you hold green and alternate tapping yellow and blue instead.
 
Belgand said:
Others, like cutting the muted notes in "Ramblin' Man" seem more like undercharting it to make it a bit easier and because most players wouldn't notice it. I'd say that's an acceptable thing to do for Hard, but not Expert. Basically when comparing the two charts in that video it looks like the Hard and Expert charts and, if everything else was the same, would actually be a pretty good job.
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I know it's really cliched to say "Hamonix are better because they're really musicians!" However, the missed muted strums in Ramblin Man, the odd chord transitions in Ramblin Man and Mountain Song, the ignored tonal progression in Mountain Song...all of it smacks of people who studied the music, but don't fully understand it.
Does that make the chart less fun? Not necessarily. While Hamonix' charts are undeniably musically superior, the transition from a 6-stringed/22-fret instrument to a 1-string/5-fret instrument could certainly call for Neversoft's aural-based charting to keep the fun for some players.
Those practices that counter clinical accuracy (Overcharting, undercharting, mischarting) all have their place. In the end, it comes down to how enjoyable the game is to play.
 
The Jer said:
ya, I can see that the chart is probably charting the sound of the snare drum.

I keep listening for a guitar sound that they might be charting, but I can only hear the part charted for RB (e.g. half of the Guitar Hero chart), but I don't hear anything over the drums.

*edit: I really can't tell over the drums. They chart the same thing at 3:30 though.
Also, they have access to the masters and can listen to just the guitar track and not the drums or anything else. Why on earth are they different in the first place?
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My best guess is that they're going with a non-master perception that people 'expect' to play the snare on that part. Honestly, before I first played it, I thought it was something I'd do.

Remember, GH is about gameplay, RB is about accuracy.
 
fistfulofmetal said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUP4taklMJk

Did Neversoft go deaf during the solo?
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Wow, the solo is phenominally off, but the entire song has the same issues. Did Neversoft use a different version of the song?

I still maintain what I stated above, that ultimately it's about the fun. But this is a stunning example of Hamonix charting what the guitar is doing and Neversoft charting what the guitar is producing.
 
Motion Picture Soundtrack said:
I don't agree with this, especially in Mountain Song.
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The movement (or lack thereof) of some notes is what I'm talking about. In Mountain Song, at 1:24-1:36, and in Ramblin Man (which is almost identical) specifically the transition at 1:55. Again, while one is more accurate to what Greg Allman's left hand is doing, that doesn't mean the other doesn't follow what the ear is hearing.
 
Stage Kit:
I want it, but I may be too embarrassed to actually get it, we'll see...

So how do the lights work, if you have four people playing does it have to be the controller for the singer?
 
AMUSIX said:
Wow, the solo is phenominally off, but the entire song has the same issues. Did Neversoft use a different version of the song?
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They're both charting different stuff, especially during the solo. I'll await being able to play the guitar track isolated in GH before saying it's charted incorrectly; when I watch the video of the song with the GH and RB charts on it sometimes both charts look completely off.
 
xbhaskarx said:
Will we ever get covers again? I'm afraid some really good songs will never make it into the game now.
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BobFromPikeCreek said:
If you guys missed BBG's Rock Rev stream, here is what you missed. The greatest cover ever:
http://www.justin.tv/clip/3194a6056db
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I'm guessing...'hopefully not'.

Actually, to be honest, it'd be nice for covers to be allowed in order to have access to a huge library of otherwise unusable songs. Unfortunately, I believe the official word is 'no more covers'. I do like how they've handled things so far, using live recordings or having the band rerecord the song, both are great alternatives when the original masters are unusable.
 
Now, I'm not someone that minds covers all that much. Pretty much every cover in GH1 & 2 varied from "acceptable" to "can't tell" in my mind. But that Chop Suey cover...wow. What in the world...it's so weird hearing the words pronounced so clearly. :lol :lol :lol
 
RocketDarkness said:
Now, I'm not someone that minds covers all that much. Pretty much every cover in GH1 & 2 varied from "acceptable" to "can't tell" in my mind. But that Chop Suey cover...wow. What in the world...it's so weird hearing the words pronounced so clearly. :lol :lol :lol
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they enunciate every syllable in every song in that game. If you've ever wondered the lyrics to any of those songs, now is your chance to find out.
Also, I'd love to hear a cover of Nirvana.
 
The Jer said:
ya, I can see that the chart is probably charting the sound of the snare drum.

I keep listening for a guitar sound that they might be charting, but I can only hear the part charted for RB (e.g. half of the Guitar Hero chart), but I don't hear anything over the drums.

*edit: I really can't tell over the drums. They chart the same thing at 3:30 though.
Also, they have access to the masters and can listen to just the guitar track and not the drums or anything else. Why on earth are they different in the first place?
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If you listen to the isolated guitar track in Rock Band, they chart it pretty much perfectly. Either Neversoft magically have some different guitar line they charted, or they just did it for the lols.
 
TheGreatDave said:
If you listen to the isolated guitar track in Rock Band, they chart it pretty much perfectly. Either Neversoft magically have some different guitar line they charted, or they just did it for the lols.
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When I read that the part of my brain that hates me immediately drove itself to the front and made me contemplate the horror that maybe some day there will be (in spoiler tag for your protection)
Limp Bizkit
on disc and we will not be able to avoid it.
 
Belgand said:
When I read that the part of my brain that hates me immediately drove itself to the front and made me contemplate the horror that maybe some day there will be (in spoiler tag for your protection)
Limp Bizkit
on disc and we will not be able to avoid it.
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if it's from their very first cd it would not even be that bad

anyone noticed the ac/dc songs are in the RB1 engine
 
I know I'm alone on this, but I like Limp Bizkit and the "Nu-Metal" stuff, or whatever.
I would enthusiastically purchase Limp Bizkit DLC
 
Since we use this thread to talk about everything... snowboard season starts today here in colorado and I'm out most of the season with a busted foot. this sucks. two years in a row. at least i'll have more time to play plastic guitar sitting down :/
 
The Jer said:
I know I'm alone on this, but I like
Limp Bizkit
and the "Nu-Metal" stuff, or whatever.
I would enthusiastically purchase
Limp Bizkit
DLC
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Don't say that name aloud or you will bring ruin upon us all.

I would also be more willing to state, even lie if necessary, that I greatly enjoy being vigorously rogered by angry bighorn sheep with quite a lot of personal issues to work out... I would announce that I was the world's foremost rapist of dolphins... I would.. would... eat this kitten than I would listening to that... that... vileness.
 
No one in their right mind would by Rock Revolution. That money could be spent on so many other things for GH:WT and RB2.

Saw buckethead live last night.

We need more buckethead songs in GH/RB!!!!!!!
 
derder said:
No one in their right mind would by Rock Revolution. That money could be spent on so many other things for GH:WT and RB2.

Saw buckethead live last night.

We need more buckethead songs in GH/RB!!!!!!!
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Some Deli Creeps, perhaps?
 
Just came in now, new?

MTV Games, Harmonix and Electronic Arts Announce Ship Dates for Rock Band® 2 Coming to PLAYSTATION®3 System, PlayStation®2 System and Wii™



CAMBRIDGE, MA – October 16, 2008 – Harmonix, the world’s premier music video game development company, and MTV Games, a part of Viacom’s MTV Networks (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B), along with distribution partner Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ: ERTS), today announced that Rock Band® 2 for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system will be available on October 19, 2008. In addition, Rock Band 2 for the PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system and the Wii™ home videogame console from Nintendo will ship in December 2008.



In addition, the Rock Band 2 Special Edition Bundle for the Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft will also be available on retail shelves October 19, 2008.



Rock Band 2 Shipping and Pricing Information:

October 19, 2008

- Rock Band 2 Special Edition Bundle (Xbox 360 and PLAYSTATION 3 system) $189.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Software (PLAYSTATION 3 system) $59.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Drums (PLAYSTATION 3 and PlayStation 2 systems) $89.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Guitar (PLAYSTATION 3 and PlayStation 2 systems) $69.99 MSRP


December 2008

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Software (PlayStation 2 system) $49.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Software (Wii) $49.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Drums (Wii) $89.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Standalone Guitar (Wii) $69.99 MSRP

- Rock Band 2 Special Edition Bundle (Wii) $189.99 MSRP



Rock Band 2 for Wii, developed by Pi Studios under the direction of Harmonix, will be fully featured with online modes including World Tour and Battle of the Bands, an innovative character creator, weekly downloadable content and more! With more than 100 songs [1] on the Rock Band 2 Wii soundtrack and an additional 30 downloadable tracks [2] available for purchase at launch, Rock Band 2 Wii owners will have access to the most impressive music catalogue for a music-based videogame on the console. In addition, fans can expect a roll-out of the current downloadable content offering every week until the entire back catalogue is available.



In addition, Rock Band 2 owners (Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION 3 system and Wii) will have the ability to export their in-game band avatars to RockBand.com to use as profile images as well as order custom Rock Band merchandise including apparel and figurines.



Rock Band 2 for Xbox 360 was released on September 14, 2008, and has received numerous editor’s choice awards and a combined metacritic score of 93. Rock Band 2 has revolutionized music gaming with the ability to export most of the songs from the original Rock Band disc [3], Online World Tour, daily Battle-Of-The-Bands Tournaments, Auto-Calibration to eliminate TV lag, wireless drums, quieter, velocity sensitive drum heads, support for up to three cymbals (sold separately), No Fail Mode, and a real Drum Trainer.



Rock Band 2 features the largest music catalogue of any music-based videogame to date including over 100 songs [4] on the Rock Band 2 soundtrack with an unrivaled blend of classic and new artists including AC/DC, Guns N’ Roses, Bob Dylan, Pearl Jam, Motörhead and more! With the addition of complete and immediate backwards compatibility for songs purchased from Rock Band’s ever-expanding online music store and the ability to export most songs from the original Rock Band disc, the Rock Band music library will feature more than 500 songs [5]by year’s end.



The Rock Band online music store recently surpassed 21 million paid downloads since the game’s launch in late November 2007. With more than 400 tracks available to date via disc and download purchase (complete list of tracks at http://www.rockband.com/dlc), the massive Rock Band Music Store allows players to preview and purchase downloadable individual music tracks, packs and albums from the vast selection of offerings available as they build their own custom Rock Band library.



Rock Band 2 is rated “T” for Teen with descriptors of lyrics and suggestive themes by the ESRB.
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xbhaskarx said:
Stage Kit:
I want it, but I may be too embarrassed to actually get it, we'll see...

So how do the lights work, if you have four people playing does it have to be the controller for the singer?
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I'd imagine so. Someone on the RB forums brought up the good question of if it's necessary to have a singer in the band in order for the light kit to work. Hopefully HMX has it set up to pass through to the controller even if the singer isn't logged in.
 
an unrivaled blend of classic and new artists including AC/DC, Guns N’ Roses, Bob Dylan, Pearl Jam, Motörhead
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None of those are new artists. Excluding the complete crap Guns N' Roses song which probably could count as a decade old itself the most recent is 17 years old. Classic, yes. Great, definitely. But new? Thankfully not.
 
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