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Roenick rips into NHLPA

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Manics

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I love it! This guy has no friends on either side of the fence. He constantly rags on the owners and now he's taken a chunk out of the players union.

Roenick rips union


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NHLPA WAKE UP!!!!
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Yeah, this was all over the news yesterday. :lol

The fact that he believes everything that he says - you can hear the conviction in his voice when he tells everybody to piss off - makes him that much more entertaining. The NHL's Charles Barkley, if you will. Can't wait until he retires and gets his own show.
 

Manics

Banned
bishoptl said:
Yeah, this was all over the news yesterday. :lol

The fact that he believes everything that he says - you can hear the conviction in his voice when he tells everybody to piss off - makes him that much more entertaining. The NHL's Charles Barkley, if you will. Can't wait until he retires and gets his own show.


Good analogy. I was trying to think of who he's most like in another sport...Barkley is a good choice.
 

Sapiens

Member
He had me up until he told me to stop watching hockey.

So hypocrtical. He states the players care about the game but the one thing that kept the season away was money.

And they do look stupid for the new deal.


And I'm on nobody's side.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
At a time when owners and players are wondering how to lure back alienated fans, Roenick told those fans who hold the labor fight against players to stay away.

"Don't come. We don't want you in the rink. We don't want you in the stadium. We don't want you to watch hockey. Period," Roenick said.

:lol

So he doesn't want like 80% of the NHL's fanbase to watch hockey anymore?
 

Socreges

Banned
That's not exactly true. He was referring to people who called them spoiled. Which, I suppose, is still a whole lot.

Anyway, Roenick is awesome.
 

VALIS

Member
I hate Roenick. Then he'll do something amsuing and I'll love him. Then I hate him. Then I love him again. Currently I hate him and hope of of his union brothers divebombs his knees when play resumes.
 

Manics

Banned
Meier said:
Holy shit, I gotta know the context of that picture.


That was Roenick's face after a few games of getting high-sticked and generally bashed around in the face while playing hockey. He was fed up and was interviewed and proceeded to say that hockey had become a joke because they let other players get away with stick infractions. He said something to the effect of "look at my face!, NHL WAKE UP! WAKE UP!"
 

calder

Member
Meier said:
Holy shit, I gotta know the context of that picture.
The context is that the Sabres are pretty free with the stick fouls, and the deeper context is that Roenick's own teammates could probably have a better hold on their sticks too. :lol


EDIT: I just want to point out that while I agree with most of what Roenick says and think it's great he speaks his mind with conviction, I also think it's great when Flyers in general get the shit beat out of them so I'm a bit conflicted about that hilarious pic of Roenick all cut up. ;) Anyone have that hilarious pic of Mats Sundin when he was all cut up and looked just like Gollum? I'll need that before the 05/06 season starts. ;)
 

chinch

Tenacious-V Redux
the NHL will be a better place when JR and many other (formerly waaaay overpaid but still overpaid) players retire.
 

Manics

Banned
Kabuki Waq said:
he threw the water bottle at the official in that game too :lol


I believe that's why he was suspended...I think the water bottle hit the ref in the leg if I remember correctly -- "abuse of official" :lol
 

Socreges

Banned
Manics said:
I believe that's why he was suspended...I think the water bottle hit the ref in the leg if I remember correctly -- "abuse of official" :lol
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw the slow-motion replay. He threw it from the penalty box, across the ice, it bounced a couple times, then hit the referee in the foot. Just... just awesome
 

Alucard

Banned
So is the strike still going on? I stopped caring months ago. Fill me in?

I'm boycotting the NHL for at least half a season, if not an entire one once/if it comes back.
 

dem

Member
Deal will be signed very soon. Some have said by this thursday.. but i'd give it another week =P
Rumour is the draft is set for Aug 6th.


I dont understand depriving yourself of hockey. Your not watching for another 6 months will be more painful to you than it is to them.
 

Alucard

Banned
Unless the NHL cuts ticket prices in half for the first month of the season, or offers complementary blowjobs to spectators as they enter the stadium, I say "fuck 'em". I love my Penguins, but this stuff should never have happened in the first place. I'll have soccer to watch anyways.
 

calder

Member
The season will be great, but I can't stop thinking about the wild off season we're going to have. :D Shit, the wah-wah woe is us from the Leafs media will be as entertaining as 3 regular seaons.

Cap will give Leafs fits
Mike Ulmer

Once, for reasons known only to Him, God decided to span the gap between the hockey haves and the hockey have-not.

He called it the Peace Bridge.

Those days are coming back, and not in a way that will please fans of the Maple Leafs.

The Leafs are about to pay, and dearly, for their fruitless moves to capture a Stanley Cup.

It was a spirited try, and now, with the matrix new economic framework set to be superimposed on the game, it's time to pay up.

To appreciate the Maple Leafs situation, consider the Buffalo Sabres, maybe the most salary cap-ready franchise in the NHL.

The Leafs have $27 million US in salary committed to eight players. The Sabres have seven players signed at a combined cost of about $7.5 million. That's nearly a $20 million difference which, you know, is a lot.

The Leafs certainly have a better team for their money: Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Ed Belfour, Bryan McCabe, Tomas Kaberle, Ken Klee, Darcy Tucker and Matt Stajan.

Still, it must feel a little disquieting to the Bay Street money men that the top four players on the roster account for $20 million toward a cap that many are pegging at $36 million.

Even if, as my colleague Steve Simmons wisely noted, a buyout clause will allow the Leafs to purge Nolan's $5.6 million salary without affecting the cap, the Leafs are in a bind. Their top three, Sundin ($6.8 million); Belfour ($4.56 million); and McCabe ($3.45 million) account for nearly 40% of their cap room.

As for low cost replacements available from the minors ... ah, no.

The Leafs are hoping Kyle Wellwood and perhaps Ian White can stick but neither prospect looks like a lock.

Two years ago, when all signs were beginning to point to a lengthy lockout, Sabres GM Darcy Regier began to shuffle personnel with an eye to the brave new world projected by league commissioner Gary Bettman.

"We decided we wanted to create as much flexibility and as few commitments as we could, not knowing what the new collective bargaining agreement would look like," the Sabres GM said.

And so the Sabres, who haven't had a playoff date since they traded away goalie Dominik Hasek in 2001, continued to play the have-nots.

UNDERACHIEVING

Underachieving forward Curtis Brown and defenceman Rhett Warrener were traded. Talented defenceman Alexei Zhitnik was kept but his contract not extended. Regier looked on as the Leafs acquired Nolan for Alyn McCauley and prime-time prospect Brad Boyes and watched the Leafs trade a first-rounder in 2004, a 2005 second-rounder and prospects Maxim Kondratiev and Jarkko Immonen for Brian Leetch.

The Sabres will use $7.5 million to pay goalie Mika Noronen, defencemen Jay McKee, Rory Fitzpatrick and Dimitri Kalinin (provided Kalinin does the expected and exercises his player option). Forwards Chris Drury, Andrew Peters and Adam Mair also are under contract.

Unlike the Maple Leafs, the Sabres have a handful of young players who can step into the lineup. Goalie Ryan Miller is ready for prime time and that should allow the club to cut its ties with Martin Biron, who played for $2.8 million in 2003-2004.

DEPTH

Jeff Jillson played in the American League and will be a depth defenceman for less than $1 million. Kitchener Rangers graduate Derek Roy should be ready to step into the lineup and gifted goalscorer Thomas Vanek looks ready as well.

The Sabres can qualify as many of their first- or second- line Group 2 free agents as they like. They can return Maxim Afinogenov, Daniel Briere, J-P Dumont and Jochen Hecht to fill out their top two lines for another $6.1 million.

That's a core of 15 players at, say, $15 million. As it stands now, that's what the Leafs will direct to Sundin, Nolan, Belfour and McCabe.

And the Sabres control their fate. They know a buyer's market looms for teams with the most cap room. Regier said he doesn't find the notion that 40% of the players in the league will change teams out of line.

"That doesn't seem outrageous. I've seen figures that about 20% of the league moves over the course of a a regular year," Regier said.

He even has sympathy for his colleagues in Toronto.

"Teams like Toronto had different circumstances than us. They were really in the thick of it and had a tremendous club," he said.

Not anymore.

The scary part for me is that a cap system might actually help the Leafs if it forces them to stop overspending on 34 year old former all stars who grew up in Ontario and therefor want to spend their last year or so relaxing (and getting twice as much $$ as any other team would give them) in a Leafs jersey before they retire. If the Leafs stop morgating their future and trading away their top picks for overpaid old guys like Nolan I think it'll make them a better team, not worse, but I wonder how the TO media and rabid Leaf Nation will react when the Leafs can't trade for half the big names available at the trade deadline.

Another interesting thing is watching how Edmonton/Calgary and other similar teams respond - for a decade or more they've been crying poor and their fans have more or less bought into the notion that they can't compete financially. I agree more or less, but you have to wonder what the fans are going to do in Edmonton if they continue to tread water in the standings. Not all the small market teams are going to magically do better with a bit of revenue sharing and a nice salary cap.
 

Alucard

Banned
I always <3 seeing the Leafs kicked out of the playoffs year after year and going into work the following day and seeing all of the sunken heads and the usual banter...

"They had a good year."
"We'll take it next season."
"Nolan is awesome. They need to keep the old guys for experience."
"They should re-sign Belfour before anyone."
"Sundin sucks. I hate him. He's to blame."
"Next year...next year..."
 

dem

Member
Come on.. didnt you read Strachans column about how the Leafs will be big spenders in the offseason??



KLowe has come out and stated clearly that theyre going to sign a legit 1st line offensive threat center. If he comes into the season with Messier signing on for one last go I think i'll shoot myself.
I'm dreaming of Dougie coming home
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Though I'll settle for Jason Allison...
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
I'm a wings fan.

we're fucked. :(

we're gonna be rolling with 3 grind lines, zetterburg, datsyuk, and steve yzerman with an eye patch. oh yeah, and we'll have hatcher and lidstrom at d, chelios on a walker with skates tied to it, and 3 other guys we'll pull up from our lowest club team in traverse city.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Alucard said:
Unless the NHL cuts ticket prices in half for the first month of the season, or offers complementary blowjobs to spectators as they enter the stadium

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"Fine, fine...I'll meet you in the Platinum Lounge."
 

Socreges

Banned
Alucard said:
Unless the NHL cuts ticket prices in half for the first month of the season, or offers complementary blowjobs to spectators as they enter the stadium, I say "fuck 'em". I love my Penguins, but this stuff should never have happened in the first place. I'll have soccer to watch anyways.
You're lying.

...no one loves the Penguins
 

SA-X

Member
whytemyke said:
I'm a wings fan.

we're fucked. :(

we're gonna be rolling with 3 grind lines, zetterburg, datsyuk, and steve yzerman with an eye patch. oh yeah, and we'll have hatcher and lidstrom at d, chelios on a walker with skates tied to it, and 3 other guys we'll pull up from our lowest club team in traverse city.

Well, maybe we'll luck out and get a high pick in the draft or something.

...yeah we're screwed. :lol
 
calder said:
I agree more or less, but you have to wonder what the fans are going to do in Calgary if they continue to tread water in the standings. Not all the small market teams are going to magically do better with a bit of revenue sharing and a nice salary cap.

Fixed.
 

theo

Contest Winner
coming from Roenick, this isn't surprising. the media down here is acting all surprised (read: espn), but if they knew who Roenick is, this is totally something he would say.
Charles Barkley indeed.
 

Shinobi

Member
bishoptl said:
Yeah, this was all over the news yesterday. :lol

The fact that he believes everything that he says - you can hear the conviction in his voice when he tells everybody to piss off - makes him that much more entertaining. The NHL's Charles Barkley, if you will. Can't wait until he retires and gets his own show.


The most entertaining thing about the NHL being locked out was seeing him and Sean Burke on some game show, doing the dancing bronco. :lol






Kabuki Waq said:
Roenick rocks...atleast he doesnt spew some PR bullshit like the rest of the players and owners.

A-fucking-men.

JR's one of my favourite athletes in any sports...tough as nails, highly skilled, and speaks with honesty instead of pre-screened bullshit malarky like 97% of the sports industry. The fact that JR was one of the few who didn't simply parrot the PA party line throughout the winter months simply raised my level of respect for him. Fuck any fellow PA'ers who have a beef with him...at the end of the day, he was far more right then you stupid non-thinking dumb fucks.






dem said:
I dont understand depriving yourself of hockey. Your not watching for another 6 months will be more painful to you than it is to them.

Not if the game is as boring to watch as it was before the lockout. :lol And yeah they're gonna make changes, whatever...I'll wait to see how they're implemented before I start praising 'em.






dem said:
Come on.. didnt you read Strachans column about how the Leafs will be big spenders in the offseason??

:lol :lol :lol Ah, that Strachan...

The best part about the Leafs is their gift to their loyal followers for this extended work stoppage...they will hold ticket prices at the same level they were at before. :lol Generous bastards, those guys are. Some teams have already announced plans to cut ticket prices, and the way some of these bullshiting owners talked, the prices oughta be cut in half thanks to this life-saving deal. But will that happen anywhere? Doubt it.

Oh yeah, the much ballyhooed NHL trade deadline day that got turned into a fucking Canadian national holiday? You can kiss that shit goodbye. They'll be about as many trades in the NHL with the new rules as there is in the NFL, which is to say next to nothing. Doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me, but this was an obvious reality well over a year ago that I don't think many people have grasped just yet.
 

Fuzzy

I would bang a hot farmer!
I don't know why people think that teams like the Leafs still won't overspend. I can see the Leafs (and other large market teams) signing players to 3 years deals worth $3 million and then Leafs TV offering them $6 million to do a TV special. :lol
 
Leafs don't have to worry about the fans coming back, the second their is a deal the Leaf Nation will be back at full force :)
 

calder

Member
The Internet said:
I think if Calgary were to tread water by finishing with a solid playoff spot followed by a run to game 7 of the Cup Finals the reaction of their fans would be pretty positive. It's the stinking Oilers and their ill kempt, surly fans who would be angry if they continued missing the playoffs like they have been. :D
 
calder said:
I think if Calgary were to tread water by finishing with a solid playoff spot followed by a run to game 7 of the Cup Finals the reaction of their fans would be pretty positive. It's the stinking Oilers and their ill kempt, surly fans who would be angry if they continued missing the playoffs like they have been. :D

If Calgary was eliminated by the 'Nucks in the 1st Round in 2004, they would still have trouble selling 10,000 season tickets (as was the case the last 7 or 8 years).

The fact that the "fans" were forced to buy seasons tickets just to be able to get tickets for games in Round 3 and 4 shows that the owners of the Flames are still not confident with their bandwagon fans...the Red Mile was just an attraction to most of this city. Let's talk about that regular season....what did they have, 3 sellouts during the entire season? A joke.

Edmonton has made the playoffs 5 of the last 7 years, I don't think you have to worry about them. I'd worry about the team that only has made the playoffs once the last 8 years, and have trouble getting people in the seats.

And what's wrong about a city getting angry if their team is not performing to their expectations? Isn't that a good thing?
 

Manics

Banned
Well, in Roenick's defense, he said his comments were taken out of context.

I suppose I can see how ambigious a comment like "the fans can kiss my ass" is.
 

calder

Member
Not the right thread for this, but I didn't want to bother bumping a different hockey thread.

Naming names for the upcoming Games

Team Canada will defend its Olympic men's hockey gold medal at next year's Winter Games in Torino, Italy.

Sportsnet.ca -- Prior to Hockey Canada's official Team Canada roster announcement on Thursday, Sportsnet has learned the names of the 36 players expected to be invited to the upcoming training camp.

The team will be comprised of a mix of players from the group that won gold at the 2002 Games in Salt Lake City, as well as those who also led Canada to a World Cup title in 2004.

Mario Lemieux's name will be on this list and Steve Yzerman will also get an invite to the orientation camp scheduled August 17-20 in Kelowna, B.C.

Sources tell Sportsnet the 36 man roster will be comprised of 20 forwards, 12 defencemen and 4 goaltenders.

A list Hockey Canada is expected to announce on Thursday.

Below is the breakdown of how Canada's Olympic training camp roster is believed to look:

FORWARDS:

Mario Lemieux
Steve Yzerman
Rick Nash
Joe Sakic
Kris Draper
Michael Peca
Keith Primeau
Jarome Iginla
Joe Thornton
Shane Doan
Kirk Maltby
Ryan Smyth
Brad Richards
Martin St Louis
Vincent Lecavalier
Patrick Marleau
Alex Tanguay
Simon Gagne
Dany Heatley
Brenden Morrow

DEFENCE

Adam Foote
Rob Blake
Chris Pronger
Scott Niedermayer
Wade Redden
Chris Phillips
Ed Jovanovski
Robyn Regehr
Eric Brewer
Jay Bouwmeester
Scott Hannan
Dan Boyle

GOALTENDERS

Martin Brodeur
Roberto Luongo
Jose Theodore
Marty Turco

The above group will gather in Vancouver on August 15th for some promotional work and a light skate, followed by a golf tournament on the 16th, before departing for Kelowna and a training camp that will run from August 17th to the 20th.

A deadline on the final roster is not known at this point, but speculation is the team will be officially named sometime in January.
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Yes! I'm on the invite list!

Some of those guys are invited out of courtesy, not because they're expected to make the team (or want to play). I see older guys like Yzerman, Lemieux and Foote maybe declining the chance on the basis of their age and injury history, but it's still good for Hockey Canada to invite them and make it their decision. I honestly don't think Yzerman would make the team next year anyway... look at all the young natural centers available that most ppl would have ranked higher on the depth chart.
 

Bluecondor

Member
Lemieux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I recently learned that this literally means "the best" in French.

From all he has done in Pittsburgh, there couldn't be a better name for him.
 

Shinobi

Member
Manics said:
Well, in Roenick's defense, he said his comments were taken out of context.

I suppose I can see how ambigious a comment like "the fans can kiss my ass" is.

Anyone who's seen or heard the FULL clip and the questions he answered knows he was taken out of context. But hey, that's JR's fault for forgetting how pathetic the media is with shit like this.

Heh, no Bertuzzi on the list...the NHL might leave his ass in purgatory until March. Even I'd find that a little harsh.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Bluecondor said:
Lemieux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I recently learned that this literally means "the best" in French.

From all he has done in Pittsburgh, there couldn't be a better name for him.


Well, I guess if you were to split his name into 2 parts then yes. But yes "the best" does suit him.
 

spliced

Member
Well this shows how much we need hockey back...So someone can brake Roenicks jaw and they can wire it shut again.

Ok That's cruel I didn't mean that, Duct Tape would suffice. :D
 

BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
JR rocks! Anyone see him at the end of the interview on the Score with him jumping up on his chair Tom Cruise style and yelling "I LOVE THE FANS!" ? :lol :lol
 
BorkBork said:
JR rocks! Anyone see him at the end of the interview on the Score with him jumping up on his chair Tom Cruise style and yelling "I LOVE THE FANS!" ? :lol :lol


:lol yea

JR is pure awesomeness
 

SickBoy

Member
calder said:
Another interesting thing is watching how Edmonton/Calgary and other similar teams respond - for a decade or more they've been crying poor and their fans have more or less bought into the notion that they can't compete financially. I agree more or less, but you have to wonder what the fans are going to do in Edmonton if they continue to tread water in the standings. Not all the small market teams are going to magically do better with a bit of revenue sharing and a nice salary cap.

Given their apparent lot in life as a development squad for players who went on to make the real coin elsewhere, I'd be surprised if Edmonton didn't do better. They've generally done a good job in scouting and finding quality talent... maybe now they'll be able to retain some of it. Same with Calgary -- after so many years rudderless the last couple, they've seemed to find a good mix in the front office and behind the bench...

But in general, I agree. In fact, I think the biggest challenge might be that with more financial equality, every team is going to be in the hunt for that marquee franchise guy. And I think in many cases, there will be teams hanging their hats (and a big chunk of their cash) on big guys who don't necessarily meet the promise of their press clippings. I expect a few higher-profile types to come out of this as big busts as they move into new surroundings as "the guy."

At least in Calgary, Iginla's already set up for that role and shown he's got what it takes.

The Internet said:
If Calgary was eliminated by the 'Nucks in the 1st Round in 2004, they would still have trouble selling 10,000 season tickets (as was the case the last 7 or 8 years).

Doubt it. Do you recall the mammoth crowds from every game in that series? The insanity in the Saddledome? Calgary was desperately hungry for playoff hockey. Based on the reaction to delivering that, I find it hard to imagine that it wouldn't have been the easiest ticket drive in recent Flames history even if they got knocked out in Game 7.
 
Just to be sure Calgary would've remained loyal the next season, we'll have to invent a time machine and go back to 2004 and club Iginla in the knees.
 

Shinobi

Member
:lol




BorkBork said:
JR rocks! Anyone see him at the end of the interview on the Score with him jumping up on his chair Tom Cruise style and yelling "I LOVE THE FANS!" ? :lol :lol

:lol See, that's what I mean...he's entertaining as hell, and people think he's a jerk? He's one of the few athletes in the NHL that doesn't look or sound like a fucking robot. The league needs far more characters like him, especially now.

I'm seriously gonna look into buying his jersey over the next few years...couldn't buy a Flyers jersey in good conscience since I'm a Leafs fan, but I'd wear a throwback Blackhawks jersey with his name on it with pride.
 
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