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Roman Polanski denied chance to close US rape case
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The_Hitcher89
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Being a shitty human being and a criminal doesn't stop him from being extremely talented.
DiipuSurotu
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List of celebrities who support Polanski:
http://www.altfg.com/blog/politics/petition-for-roman-polanski-signatories/
List of celebrities who have spoken AGAINST Polanski:
http://chrismm.dreamwidth.org/577422.html?view=1709454
http://www.altfg.com/blog/politics/petition-for-roman-polanski-signatories/
List of celebrities who have spoken AGAINST Polanski:
http://chrismm.dreamwidth.org/577422.html?view=1709454
mariachi507
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I agree that Polanski had a fucked up life with his mother dying in a concentration camp and with poor Sharon Tate being killed by the Manson family along with her and Roman's unborn child. However, even though I'm sympathetic for how tragic his life has been, those dark events do not make him unaccountable for his crimes. The man drugged and raped a thirteen year old girl. I hate that the director of my favorite film (Chinatown) committed such a monstrous crime. but he still did it and should pay for it.
teruterubozu
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Alright, alright. Calm down. It was just a passing remark - not a direct accusation. Although it is Polanski so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it
It should stop him from receiving the most prestigious award for his craft when he can't even be there to accept it and others could who were just as worthy of the award.
Marlon Brando, George C. Scott and Woody Allen have never accepted their own awards (Scott even sent his back). Not exactly the same situation as Polanski, but still.
ComputerMKII
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Alright, alright. Calm down. It was just a passing remark - not a direct accusation. Although it is Polanski so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it
No problem
But Terrence Malick, though
Malick has never won an Oscar, though.
ComputerMKII
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He got his fair share of nominations
adamsappel
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It's not even like it was some automatic thing. People actually had to say to themselves, "You know who directed the best movie this year? That child rapist. I'm going to put his name down on my ballot."
RangersFan
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Give him another standing ovation Hollywood.
But he is a great director, and the Pianist is a fantastic film. Just because Polanski is a an awful human being...it doesn't, objectively speaking, diminish the quality of the direction in The Pianist.
Tempesta di Fuoco
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These types of posts are so fucking dumb.
"You are a criminal, HOW DARE YOU BE AMAZING ENOUGH AT YOUR JOB TO WIN AWARDS!!??"
I think you're right
the point of failure was him being hired for the job in the first place
ComputerMKII
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The same debate happened when Louis-Ferdinand Céline was to be celebrated
As Flaubert said, You don't make art out of good intentions. See the Marquis de Sade, etc.
Tempesta di Fuoco
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If you're good enough to be hired for the job, then you should be hired for the job regardless of criminal past. As long as you've shown no sides of repeating those mistakes, obviously, as to not jeopardize whatever business I am hiring you for.
The Polanski case is a bit different though. If he had gone to jail and rehabilitated himself and the like, I would have no problem hiring him to direct my movie. Not sure how I would react to the Polanski situation, though.
ComputerMKII
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It was never a secret...
adamsappel
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Sure, great movie, well directed. I'm merely addressing the appropriateness of giving a known child rapist the most prestigious award in your craft, and a standing ovation besides. Especially in light of all the hand-wringing that went on about honoring someone who "named names."
No, it was never a secret. Back when it happened, it was highly publicized. Once he fled to Europe, that's when people got really upset about it.
A lot of people at the time did give him sympathy because his pregnant wife was murdered by the Manson clan, which was also highly publicized. So much of his life, including his tragedies and successes, have always been in the spotlight. He's definitely had a messed up life, but at the end of the day, he refused to take responsibility for his actions.
Child anal rape defense force? What he did is monstrous, absolutely. Disgusting that you try to ameliorate and make excuses.
Ninja Of Chaos
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I would really, REALLY, love to see this too.
LastGamer84
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Unlike a lot of criminals he has money and people who protect him. Also as the article posted earlier show, the French are really weird when it comes to people they consider artists.
It's not like it happened the week-of or anything, this happened YEARS after his wife was murdered.
The Allen stuff is more ambiguous. Soon-Yi was an adult at the time, but Dylan maintains she was molested as a child. Woody and Mia were going through a incredibly messy break-up and they both accuse the other "grooming" Dylan to get back at them (as I understand it). Woody also says he never had a fatherly relationship with Soon-Yi and hardly knew her when she was younger, because she was Mia's kid, and that his relationship was distant. They were never married, either.
You sound surprised. Money can definitely buy your way out of jail unless you just straight up murdered someone and even then you can maybe plead afluenza lol.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
The pained look on Tomas Jane's face while she goes through her politically-correct/Hollywood-correct double speak is kind of amazing.
Umm it was never a secret and Hollywood didn't cover up anything. Dude had a highly publicized trial and was convicted but fled back to france before sentencing. I honestly don't know how you didn't know any of this is you are such a big fan of his.
The_Hitcher89
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How did he even get to France? Surely breaking bail is grounds for extradition?
A lot easier to fly back then.
ComputerMKII
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France doesn't extradite its own citizens
Some countries don't extradite their own citizens I think. Probably the same reason that girl that murdered another girl in Italy was not extradited from the US, I think there would be an exception if the victim was American herself.
This is pretty disappointing.
The_Hitcher89
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I understand that but thought there'd be some bylaws when its as cut and dry as the Polanski case seems to be. Living in the US, happened in the US, happened to an American, admitted he'd done it in the US, told to stay in the US
Hadn't he been living in the US for ages as well?
The law is properly fucked up though if there is really nothing France can do to see that justice is done, just because Polanski is a French citizen. Its treading the line between protecting your citizen, and harbouring a criminal imo
astroturfing
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The_Hitcher89
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Its bizarre
What did they even think the petition would achieve? Self-inflated egotistical bellends on that list
Poodlestrike
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He's an awful excuse for a human being (and if you think that he's only violated those 2 girls, I got a bridge for you to buy), but I have to reluctantly admit that he's also kind of an amazing director.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't shun him as a human being, tho.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't shun him as a human being, tho.
DiipuSurotu
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nevermind
Intheflorsh
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Every time I skim through this I lose respect for someone new. Today it's Terry Gilliam.
Two girls? I thought it was one.
There's an interesting documentary about all this, Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired (2008).
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