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Dabookerman said:
They would have made Maquettes and then scanned them, like Gollum and pretty much every movie CG character out there.

Sculpting them in 3D (zbrush) is reserved for games.

Each character would have have had weeks just rigging the face, so I've no idea how they managed to do so much in Avatar.
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Cameron said it took about a year to get the facial rigs build to the point where they would capture perfectly.
 
samus4ever said:
Batteries? HUH? I know the Dobly Digital 3-D glasses are heavy as hell but that's just because they stay at the theater and you can't take them home like the real d glasses which are basically just a cheap pair of sunglasses that can be kept or recycled by the user.
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RealD glasses are easily the most comfortable. The problem with Dolby3D glasses are the stupidly annoying frame(which house an anti-theft device, increasing weight and size to it) and the small-sized spectacles, which I assume were kept to the smallest size possible to reduce costs. The upside with the Dolby3D glasses is that you get better color reproduction.
 
vehn said:
well I came back from the XD 3D viewing, but the theater just gave us the regular Real 3D glasses. I thought they came with special glasses with a battery and them being heavier and stuff. Hope I didn't get ripped off...

Also I remember reading in this thread about some 'cheesy scene' with cheesy lines. What scene was that? I recall a few that could be candidates but nothing too substantial
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They didn't look like this: http://today3d.blogspot.com/2009/12/cameron-at-japan-premiere-of-avatar.html

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strange. i think you got hosed.

Here is the Xpand website:

http://www.xpandcinema.com/
http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/

i would complain to the theater.
 
vehn said:
Also I remember reading in this thread about some 'cheesy scene' with cheesy lines. What scene was that? I recall a few that could be candidates but nothing too substantial
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For all the talk of terrible dialogue, there isn't anything in Avatar that even approaches gems like "hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo", and "a red sun rises, blood has been spilled this night." Lines of dialogue so atrocious that they are seared into our brains. The dialogue in Avatar is mostly just pedestrian and cliche-ridden, as opposed to cringe-inducing.
 
Prior to AVATAR, our IMAX had been using these painful 3D glasses which sucked:

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After the upgrade for AVATAR, they are using these now:

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These are far more comfortable. They don't dig into the side of your head like the old ones, are more sturdy and far less dorky looking.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Cameron said it took about a year to get the facial rigs build to the point where they would capture perfectly.
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Man I believe it. I mean I thought Davy Jones was some excellent stuff but the characters in Avatar are on such a whole other level. It was the first time during a movie I have actually stopped thinking how impressive the CG was and instead just focused on the movie. Don't know if that makes sense but the characters were so flawless most of the time I just accepted them as real people.

It also makes me happy Weta was responsible for most of the effects. After LOTR I am devoted to those guys.
 
mrkgoo said:
I'm going to have twitch more closely the next time.
I swear Norm's avatar was in the final shot - didn't notice norm himself.
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I've seen it twice.
Norm's avatar was not in the final shot. Norm himself was standing there with a mask on next to Dr. Patel. The other avatars standing around may have been the ones that were playing basketball when Jake first started running. We also see several other avatars directly after that in the hut when they're going to sleep.
 
ckohler said:
Prior to AVATAR, our IMAX had been using these painful 3D glasses which sucked:

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That's what was given out at the theater I went to, except they were bright yellow. Then again I've never been to an IMAX in NY that didn't give me some variation of those cheapass glasses.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Man I believe it. I mean I thought Davy Jones was some excellent stuff but the characters in Avatar are on such a whole other level. It was the first time during a movie I have actually stopped thinking how impressive the CG was and instead just focused on the movie. Don't know if that makes sense but the characters were so flawless most of the time I just accepted them as real people.
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Yep.

I didn't stop and think "wow this CGI is impressive," I just didn't think about it.
 
DMczaf said:
Nearly every movie in the Top 10 went up from it's previous Monday. The Princess and the Frog went up 118% from last Monday (From 1.3 mil on 12/14 to 2.9 mil 12/21) @_@. Holidays effect is in full gear.
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This is true. We need a few days to see how it's going to hold up during the week. But for first week declines, it's way ahead of the curve. After debuting almost identically as I Am Legend did a few years ago (within $200k for the weekend), Avatar's Monday doubled IAL's subsequen Monday take.

Which is a very good sign for Avatar's legs.
 
PowersOfTen said:
That's what was given out at the theater I went to, except they were bright yellow. Then again I've never been to an IMAX in NY that didn't give me some variation of those cheapass glasses.
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I had the exact same glasses ckholer had.
 
GhaleonEB said:
This is true. We need a few days to see how it's going to hold up during the week. But for first week declines, it's way ahead of the curve. After debuting almost identically as I Am Legend did a few years ago (within $200k for the weekend), Avatar's Monday doubled IAL's subsequen Monday take.

Which is a very good sign for Avatar's legs.
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How fantastic would it be if it ended up breaking a billion $ WW?
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I just read the news that this is planned to be a trilogy.

That thought saddens me.
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I don't think it will happen. If anything we'll get one more film in this universe. I would think that Cameron would want to move on to something else before throwing himself into Pandora for another 5 or 6 years.
 
Jibril said:
Some fake 3D images I made using 2 frames.
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This is kind of a hack, but you can look at them in '3D' if you unfocus your eyes and look at the 3rd picture that comes up in the middle, just like a magic eye:

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I'd love to see two frames like that from that actual 3d movie, ones that are meant to be on the screen at the same time...

EDIT: I think the effect is better if your eyes are farther from the screen...
 
quadriplegicjon said:
?? are the pictures not showing up?

it's supposed to be cameron and friends wearing the xpand glasses.
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They do show up, I just find this creepy looking for some reason:

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Zeliard said:
How fantastic would it be if it ended up breaking a billion $ WW?
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I think it has a shot. The WW debut was about $10m ahead of 2012 ($242m), and that movie is at $715m as of this weekend, and the daily holds are tracking better. If Avatar holds up well this coming weekend, then I'd say it has a good shot of at least getting close.

The worldwide is now at $285m, according to Boxoffice Mojo. So Avatar earned $43m - on a Monday.
 
thespot84 said:
This is kind of a hack, but you can look at them in '3D' if you unfocus your eyes and look at the 3rd picture that comes up in the middle, just like a magic eye:

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I'd love to see two frames like that from that actual 3d movie, ones that are meant to be on the screen at the same time...

EDIT: I think the effect is better if your eyes are farther from the screen...
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I don't know how people do this. I can unfocus my eyes ( but in the blurry way) I can't look at my nose for instance and still see the image in the background. How?

I had to resort to making my fake 3D shit. lol
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I just read the news that this is planned to be a trilogy.

That thought saddens me.
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funny i though the opposite - exactly what do we as consumers lose by them making 2 more movies? if they suck, don't watch them - if they don't suck, you get to enjoy them.

I saw the movie and was amazed. I never see movies twice in the theater but this is certainly worth it. In fact, I'd say this is what movies all should be like.
 
Wonder if ILM is jealous of the Avatar team. :lol I mean it has to be a kick in the balls, when the supposed "Greatest CG company of all time" got upsurped by quite a margin.
 
WyndhamPrice said:
I don't think it will happen. If anything we'll get one more film in this universe. I would think that Cameron would want to move on to something else before throwing himself into Pandora for another 5 or 6 years.
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Perhaps. However, he might want to make the sequels now that all the initial complex infrastructure is already built and ready to use. It'd allow him to focus more on the story and further refining the techniques without having to invent them first like he did this time.
 
Ventrue said:
Anyone else swoon a bit over those bubbles floating around right at the start?
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YES GOD YES!

At first I thought it was my eyes then they formed bubbles and my mind went numb for a few minutes. In awe of it all.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Wonder if ILM is jealous of the Avatar team. :lol I mean it has to be a kick in the balls, when the supposed "Greatest CG company of all time" got upsurped by quite a margin.
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haha, before Xia laughs (though he still will no doubt), don't forget that the highly critical final battle sequence was completely done by ILM. :lol

I'm sure ILM is more than pleased. :D
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Wonder if ILM is jealous of the Avatar team. :lol I mean it has to be a kick in the balls, when the supposed "Greatest CG company of all time" got upsurped by quite a margin.
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I'd assumed WETA had already taken that crown from them.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Wonder if ILM is jealous of the Avatar team. :lol I mean it has to be a kick in the balls, when the supposed "Greatest CG company of all time" got upsurped by quite a margin.
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You mean Weta?
I would think they felt a lot of mutual pride over the movie since they seemed to help out with a lot of the effects near the end of production.

ckohler said:
I'd assumed WETA had already taken that crown from them.
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Weta is really good competition for ILM. Before LOTR it seemed like there was nothing really to impressive being done, but the critical claim that WETA got for those movies seemed to push ILM into high gear and there has been this fantastic one-upping between the two company's.

Gollum
King Kong
Transformers
Davy Jones
and now....the pinnacle.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Wonder if ILM is jealous of the Avatar team. :lol I mean it has to be a kick in the balls, when the supposed "Greatest CG company of all time" got upsurped by quite a margin.
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WETA fell behind on production and had to call in ILM to help them finish the film. I was reading an article about it yesterday, but I can't remember where. ILM did
the ships and missles in the attack on Hometree
and much of the final battle.

Frankly, I think the two teams should have been working together the whole time. Take the two best CGI houses in the world and get them on the same team? Sounds like awesome to me.
 
Combine said:
haha, before Xia laughs (though he still will no doubt), don't forget that the highly critical final battle sequence was completely done by ILM. :lol

I'm sure ILM is more than pleased. :D
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Was going to say. Weta and ILM are competitors and peers and I suspect they have a lot of respect for each other.
 
Giolon said:
WETA fell behind on production and had to call in ILM to help them finish the film. I was reading an article about it yesterday, but I can't remember where. ILM did
the ships and missles in the attack on Hometree
and much of the final battle.

Frankly, I think the two teams should have been working together the whole time. Take the two best CGI houses in the world and get them on the same team? Sounds like awesome to me.
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I wonder who made the call to get ILM's help WETA or Cameron.
I bet that was bittersweet for WETA now that can't claim all the credit. Be interesting to find out how well they worked with each other. Maybe we can get Xia to comment :D
 
GashPrex said:
funny i though the opposite - exactly what do we as consumers lose by them making 2 more movies? if they suck, don't watch them - if they don't suck, you get to enjoy them.

I saw the movie and was amazed. I never see movies twice in the theater but this is certainly worth it. In fact, I'd say this is what movies all should be like.
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Look, I trust Cameron but I'm not sure there's much else to tell in a way that could take up 2 more films worth of space.

I thought that AVATAR ended at a great point, just like the Matrix 1.

T2, while great, wasn't necessary.

T1 would have stood on it's own.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Look, I trust Cameron but I'm not sure there's much else to tell in a way that could take up 2 more films worth of space.
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movie 2: humans come back with full military might kick na'vi ass, all looks grim for our heroes
movie 3: na'vi somehow win, destroy the big bad

basicly the ESB and the RotJ versions of avatar
 
Enosh said:
movie 2: humans come back with full military might kick na'vi ass, all looks grim for our heroes
movie 3: na'vi somehow win, destroy the big bad

basicly the ESB and the RotJ versions of avatar
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That would be teh suck.
 
Jibril said:
I don't know how people do this. I can unfocus my eyes ( but in the blurry way) I can't look at my nose for instance and still see the image in the background. How?

I had to resort to making my fake 3D shit. lol
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This is unrelated to avatar, but the stereoscopic pictures here are good to practice on. The link is to a bunch of 'fake 3d' like you had done, and if you click on a picture it'll show you both frames side by side:

http://pinktentacle.com/2009/10/animated-stereoviews-of-old-japan/

Here's a little training example: http://www.vision3d.com/dots.html


And lastly...did you ever put your index fingers tip to tip and cross your eyes to make a third, 'floating' finger? it's the same concept.
 
Enosh said:
movie 2: humans come back with full military might kick na'vi ass, all looks grim for our heroes
movie 3: na'vi somehow win, destroy the big bad

basicly the ESB and the RotJ versions of avatar
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no.
 
thespot84 said:
This is unrelated to avatar, but the stereoscopic pictures here are good to practice on. The link is to a bunch of 'fake 3d' like you had done, and if you click on a picture it'll show you both frames side by side:

http://pinktentacle.com/2009/10/animated-stereoviews-of-old-japan/

Here's a little training example: http://www.vision3d.com/dots.html


And lastly...did you ever put your index fingers tip to tip and cross your eyes to make a third, 'floating' finger? it's the same concept.
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Ah.. I see how it works now. But the image has to be very large though then right? Because it works with my finger, but it doesn't with the image.
 
Enosh said:
the story of the first also isn't original, it's more about how the story is presented, a plot like this can work if done right
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No, what would be MORE interesting, imo, is trying to develop another set of movies based entirely on Pandora, meaning NO returning humans.

There has to be some challenges that could exist on Pandora without inserting grudgeful, returning humans.
 
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