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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Blablurn said:
just saw it...wow. just wow. there are no words.

It is rather difficult to put into words exactly how one feels about this movie, isn't it?

I've seen the movie twice and I still don't think I can manage it.
 
Jibril said:
I love reading these kind of reactions. That's the exact feeling i had leaving the theatre :lol
I'm still buzzing from it. My wife was like, that was really good I liked it.

And I'm just freaking out. I haven't felt this way walking out of a movie in a dozen years.
 
Jibril said:
Idea for a sequel:

Humans get more and more savage. They are lacking in natural resources, and much like the Saiyans, they'll come to take over Pandora and settle there. But the Na'vi have evolved and continue to evolve much faster than the human beings. They've already come into contact with advanced technology thanks to the humans, and thus giving them a head start. Now, they've found a way to harvest self an undying form of energy thanks to their connection with Pandora. They also have built pandora, yet retained much of its natural essence. Humans come in and lay siege on Pandora. The Na'vis fight back, but the humans are cunning. In 2009 they remember having developed something called a LHC ( Large Hydron Collider) essentially giving them the ability to create and manipulate black holes at their whim. They Na'vis aren't ready for that. But that blackhole,combined with the virtually never ending amount of energy located on Pandora ( it appears to tap into dark matter). Black hole+Transformed Dark Matter= Humanity destroys the entire fabric of space and time

The only sequel should involve Aliens. Aliens vs. Avatar. Guest cameo by zombie Jack (Titanic).
 
Just got back from my third viewing, saw it in RealD this time, image quality is notably weaker than LieMAX, but the scope is really nice, the framing feels more dramatic.
 
stuburns said:
Just got back from my third viewing, saw it in RealD this time, image quality is notably weaker than LieMAX, but the scope is really nice, the framing feels more dramatic.

Right, so someone explain the 'liemax' to me.


Also, what are the respective aspect ratios for all the versions? I saw the 2D, and it looked 2.35:1. Is it cropped?
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm still buzzing from it. My wife was like, that was really good I liked it.

And I'm just freaking out. I haven't felt this way walking out of a movie in a dozen years.

That reminds me of when me and my wife walked out. She started off by saying "That was really good I liked it" meanwhile I got this vacant look in my eyes and drool coming out of my mouth and I attempt to put together a normal string of sentences but fail miserably. This movie has firmly taken up residence in my brain like nothing else in a long long time.
 
Just came back from a second viewing, it really is remarkable how well this movie is put together.

My original complaints are still there though. Shame, really. If only the script received as much attention as the visuals. :lol

The inevitable backlash is going to bum me out, I'm sure of it.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
That reminds me of when me and my wife walked out. She started off by saying "That was really good I liked it" meanwhile I got this vacant look in my eyes and drool coming out of my mouth and I attempt to put together a normal string of sentences but fail miserably. This movie has firmly taken up residence in my brain like nothing else in a long long time.
Heh, so I was wondering if this is the case for the genders. Are guys the ones drooling while women are being more subdued with "I liked it"?

Oh yeah, and I'm actually happy now that the script and story is not complex at all. It makes it much easier to follow and become enraptured by the experience. Too many plot twists and stuff can make things become disjointed and jar the viewer.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
I wouldn't watch it. Wouldn't even pirate it.

That's right. You'd experience it.

GhaleonEB said:
I'm still buzzing from it. My wife was like, that was really good I liked it.

And I'm just freaking out. I haven't felt this way walking out of a movie in a dozen years.

The feeling I got. Was the same one I had when went to the theatre for the first time as a kid.

mrkgoo said:
The only sequel should involve Aliens. Aliens vs. Avatar. Guest cameo by zombie Jack (Titanic).

Zombie Jack is INSIDE the destructive Abyss forged by uncompromisable amounts of energy.
 
mrkgoo said:
The only sequel should involve Aliens. Aliens vs. Avatar. Guest cameo by zombie Jack (Titanic).

Yep, Avatar Jake is actually the Space Jockey, and the Avatar sequel is actually the Alien prequel that Cameron is going to produce and Ridley direct.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
That reminds me of when me and my wife walked out. She started off by saying "That was really good I liked it" meanwhile I got this vacant look in my eyes and drool coming out of my mouth and I attempt to put together a normal string of sentences but fail miserably. This movie has firmly taken up residence in my brain like nothing else in a long long time.

The last time I felt this way was when I saw Fellowship of the Ring in the theater for the first time. That's like 8 years! There's something about both that movie and Avatar that hooked into my brain in a way no other movies have. I was left with this overwhelming urge to go back and see the movies again after my first viewing. Now that I've seen Avatar a 2nd time, I don't feel the same compulsion any more, but there's still this lingering, nagging feeling that I need to head back to the theater another time. It won't be in two days, but maybe in a week I can see myself with my ass in that chair again.
 
Combine said:
Heh, so I was wondering if this is the case for the genders. Are guys the ones drooling while women are being more subdued with "I liked it"?

That's definitely likely. Both my wife and my good friends wife were firmly in the camp of "Great movie" while me and my friend were in the camp of "How the fu#$ can we grow a Navi"

Giolon said:
The last time I felt this way was when I saw Fellowship of the Ring in the theater for the first time. That's like 8 years! There's something about both that movie and Avatar that hooked into my brain in a way no other movies have. I was left with this overwhelming urge to go back and see the movies again after my first viewing. Now that I've seen Avatar a 2nd time, I don't feel the same compulsion any more, but there's still this lingering, nagging feeling that I need to head back to the theater another time. It won't be in two days, but maybe in a week I can see myself with my ass in that chair again.

Man this thread is full of kick ass people. That is indeed the last time I felt emotions even close to this. When Frodo sees Gandalf fall | The beginning of Two Towers with Gandalf fighting the balrog | When Aragorn looks up and see the Eagles descending to save him.
 
Ventrue said:
Probably been said somewhere in here but: Sculli vindicated.

I propose that Scullibundo henceforth be renamed "Sullybundo"


ryutaro's mama said:
I like to see a story independent of
needing the humans as the villian.

There is no way FOX lets them make Avatar 2 without humans. Its just not happening. Like it or hate it, humans will factor in some how.

Zeliard said:
It is rather difficult to put into words exactly how one feels about this movie, isn't it?

I've seen the movie twice and I still don't think I can manage it.

Thats exactly what I said after my second showing. I love the movie like no other blockbuster in the past 5 years, and even after 2 showings and countless discussions, I still cant align my thoughts in a coherent manner about the movie, and everything Cameron achieved with it. All I know for sure is that I love it, and its going to have the rest of the industry scratching their heads for years to come :D
 
Combine said:
Heh, so I was wondering if this is the case for the genders. Are guys the ones drooling while women are being more subdued with "I liked it"?

Oh yeah, and I'm actually happy now that the script and story is not complex at all. It makes it much easier to follow and become enraptured by the experience. Too many plot twists and stuff can make things become disjointed and jar the viewer.

In my family, only my mother didn't like it, saying that she preferred Princess Mononoke.
 
mrkgoo said:
The only sequel should involve Aliens. Aliens vs. Avatar. Guest cameo by zombie Jack (Titanic).
Heh, I was going to throw the Predator into the mix, but then I realized that the Na'vi culture is kind of what I imagined the Predator culture to be in some respects. Replace taming the banshee with gathering trophies.

That'd be an interesting match-up actually. Both species are tribal hunters with heightened senses and strength, though the Na'vi might be even stronger given their size and how easy they can throw around a human.
 
mrkgoo said:
Right, so someone explain the 'liemax' to me.


Also, what are the respective aspect ratios for all the versions? I saw the 2D, and it looked 2.35:1. Is it cropped?
LieMAX is the 'IMAX Experience' which is digital projection.

The film is in scope everywhere with the exception of IMAXs, in which it's 16:9.
 
stuburns said:
LieMAX is the 'IMAX Experience' which is digital projection.

The film is in scope everywhere with the exception of IMAXs, in which it's 16:9.

Why the 'Lie', I meant. What do you mean 'in scope everywhere'?
 
Firestorm said:
I'm a guy and I'm only in "I liked it".

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"You should not be here."
 
Timbuktu said:
In my family, only my mother didn't like it, saying that she preferred Princess Mononoke.

I would not have been surprised except for the reason:lol .

Cool mother.

Everyone loves this movie regardless of gender although I have not heard from too many in the older demographic.
 
I thought the Liemax thing came about because Imax built some screens that were much smaller than normal Imax screens, but still branded as Imax - it wasn't true Imax, hence Liemax.
 
Just saw this in my local imax. Its a flawed film full of exceptional scenes but something in mind just kept it from breaking safely in brilliant territory.
 
Saw it opening night. Friends and I had to go to a later showing because the others were SOLD OUT and the line-up (including ours) was HUGE.

Was not expecting it to be that big. (but was pleasantly surprised all the same)

While visually stunning and having some amazingly shot sequences
(particularly the destruction of Home Tree and the big battle
) the plot and characters never really grabbed me the way I had hoped they would. I mean, I liked Jake and Neytiri but I feel as if they (along with the rest of the cast ) could have used so much more development to emotionally strike you. Norm and Trudy were especially underveloped which is a shame because I liked both actors in their respective roles.

The music was also completely underwhelming which totally sucked considering the epic scope of the film. It really needed something special. :(

While 3D is essential in the movie's effect (can't wait to see it in IMAX) I also want to see it without the glasses dimness. :lol

At times the picture would look considerable darker and blurrier with them on and when I'd lower them slightly the film had an almost completely different look to it.
 
FirewalkR said:
Yeah, how's 16 million dollars for a Monday (33% drop I think), movie experts?
Its the 11th largest first Monday of all time

Then consider that 7 of the top 10 were Memorial Day. And the rest were Franchise sequels.

Its also impressive due to the only 3% drop on Sunday
 
Messypandas said:
Just saw this in my local imax. Its a flawed film full of exceptional scenes but something in mind just kept it from breaking safely in brilliant territory.
Same here, I think the unhealthy need of Hollywood directors for
happy endings almost ruined the movie. Seriously, a bunch of tribes with primitive weapons were no match to those of the Marines/Mercenaries. Thus, this was effectively the biggest and most ridiculous injustice in the history of cinema since the Ewoks defeated the Empire in Endor.
 
My first time seeing a 'RealD' film at the cinema. Was amazed by how good the 3D was, and how natural it was to watch.

As for the film itself, I fucking loved it. My first viewing, I found myself marvelling at the effects in places, wondering how the hell he achieved this! I will definitely be seeing it for a 2nd time at the cinema, hopefully with a more relaxed approach, but I know there will be some scenes I will still gasp at.

I want to see it again. Now!
 
Solo said:
3rd best ever for a non-Holiday. Best ever for a non-franchise, non-sequel, non-holiday.

These various stats and figures about how well Avatar is doing money-wise for the type of movie it is really makes you realize just how rare it is to see a completely original, big-budget movie (and particularly one of such quality). It's practically unheard of now. They're almost always based on some existing IP.

Hopefully the great success that Cameron and Avatar are likely to have will light a fire under Hollywood's ass.
 
Operations said:
Same here, I think the unhealthy need of Hollywood directors for
happy endings almost ruined the movie. Seriously, a bunch of tribes with primitive weapons were no match to those of the Marines/Mercenaries. Thus, this was effectively the biggest and most ridiculous injustice in the history of cinema since the Ewoks defeated the Empire in Endor.

Except the mercenaries

-Were smaller in number
-Had equipment that was old, and wasn't even working correctly (no targetting etc)
-Physically outmatched

Even then they were winning, until the planet kicked their ass
 
Solo said:
I propose that Scullibundo henceforth be renamed "Sullybundo"




There is no way FOX lets them make Avatar 2 without humans. Its just not happening. Like it or hate it, humans will factor in some how.



Thats exactly what I said after my second showing. I love the movie like no other blockbuster in the past 5 years, and even after 2 showings and countless discussions, I still cant align my thoughts in a coherent manner about the movie, and everything Cameron achieved with it. All I know for sure is that I love it, and its going to have the rest of the industry scratching their heads for years to come :D

I really wish I enjoyed the movie as much as you guys. I am starting to feel like an outcast, like there is something wrong with me for not taking to the movie the way i wanted to. Am I too critical? I don't know, but I just never connected with this movie the way that I had hoped. The story and its messages kind made me tune out a bit. Just wasn't feeling it. Loved a lot about it, though. Probably enough to experience it a 2nd time on the bigscreen and in 3D.
 
shintoki said:
I agree so very much. Probably even more. I really did not enjoy T2. It was the definition of a sequel that was bigger, but felt shallow compared to 1. I absolutely loved T1. Then you had T2 come around, and pretty much rewrite T1. Same way T3 came around and rewrote T2. :lol It had dozens of great action scenes. All of them still hold up amazingly well today. But it didn't have the same feel...Exact opposite. It left a sour taste in my mouth.


You die, you die and go to hell! T2 is the single greatest Sci-fi action movie ever made. The only one I put above Aliens. Actually ask me next week and Aliens will probably be first. They trade places depending on who I am mad at!

Today, it is you!
 
Operations said:
Same here, I think the unhealthy need of Hollywood directors for
happy endings almost ruined the movie. Seriously, a bunch of tribes with primitive weapons were no match to those of the Marines/Mercenaries. Thus, this was effectively the biggest and most ridiculous injustice in the history of cinema since the Ewoks defeated the Empire in Endor.

The Na'vi
had to win. The whole movie built up to that point. Had they lost, the movie would have felt completely hollow. Plus, the mercenaries lost because they were attacked by thousands of giant, helicopter-sized animals; they actually WERE beating the tribes rather handily.
 
Ferrio said:
Except the mercenaries

-Were smaller in number
-Had equipment that was old, and wasn't even working correctly (no targetting etc)
-Physically outmatched

Even then they were winning, until the planet kicked their ass

Plus Quaritch himself said that if
the Na'vi were able to mount enough numbers, which they did, then they'd crush the human perimeter. Which they did. The mercs were hugely outnumbered by the end.
 
Dead said:
Its the 11th largest first Monday of all time

Then consider that 7 of the top 10 were Memorial Day. And the rest were Franchise sequels.

Its also impressive due to the only 3% drop on Sunday
Heh, that got me curious so I went to the boxofficemojo page. The day-by-day shows how Avatar's legs are holding up:

Avatar has had:

32nd best opening Friday
44th best opening Saturday (ze storm)
19th best opening Sunday
11th best opening Monday
 
Ferrio said:
Except the mercenaries

-Were smaller in number
-Had equipment that was old, and wasn't even working correctly (no targetting etc)
-Physically outmatched

Even then they were winning, until the planet kicked their ass

I suppose I'm troubled with the planet kicking their ass bit, felt rather implausible to me, even if we're to consider the fantasy context of the story.
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
The Na'vi
had to win. The whole movie built up to that point. Had they lost, the movie would have felt completely hollow. Plus, the mercenaries lost because they were attacked by thousands of giant, helicopter-sized animals; they actually WERE beating the tribes rather handily.
You're right, in the sense that I did see it coming, it's just that I was hoping to be surprised and the opposite happened, having the movie deliver the message/lesson through a different perspective.
 
Operations said:
You're right, in the sense that I did see it coming, it's just that I was hoping to be surprised and the opposite happened, having the movie deliver the message/lesson through a different perspective.

So you wanted it to end like Last Samurai?
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm still buzzing from it. My wife was like, that was really good I liked it.

And I'm just freaking out. I haven't felt this way walking out of a movie in a dozen years.

Haha...about that...what was in theaters, around this time, a dozen years ago?

I see wat you did there.
 
The weekend storm definitely had a huge impact on the weekend numbers. I went Sunday night and some people trickled into the 6:30 show but the theater was virtually empty. NO ONE was on the roads around here. I passed by the same theater tonight to pick up a gift card and it was packed. Hardly a parking space. Movie is going to do great this coming weekend.
 
Why does everyone think that a sequel would take place AFTER Avatar? They've planted all the seeds for a prequel. The dead brother, their initial discoveries.. I expect a prequel.
 
koam said:
Why does everyone think that a sequel would take place AFTER Avatar? They've planted all the seeds for a prequel. The dead brother, their initial discoveries.. I expect a prequel.

I think Cameron has said the next one won't be a prequel.

Plus, a prequel would lose the Neytiri/Jake relationship, which is what the entire plot of Avatar revolved around.
 
koam said:
Why does everyone think that a sequel would take place AFTER Avatar? They've planted all the seeds for a prequel. The dead brother, their initial discoveries.. I expect a prequel.
Because Cameron himself it would not be a prequel, but a sequel
 
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