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Im currently reading the Avatar Cinefex article, which is basically a mini-book on the making of it. Love Cinefex. Almost feel bad for the 2012 guys after reading that article, their movie was no slouch either in the vfx.
 
Trurl said:
Did your glasses look like something the Blues Brothers would wear? If so, that probably means it was RealD, but I'm not sure.

No, they looked more rectangular shaped than curved, but I see that both RealD and Dolby 3D can look like those, so it doesn't mean anything.

Edit: After reading detailed descriptions of the formats, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between RealD and Dolby, so I don't care to find out which one I saw anymore... I've decided that it's all gimmicky to me.
 
Gary Whitta said:
(Probably) more accurate Friday estimates from Variety:

Avatar $7.5m
Edge of Darkness $5.7m
When in Rome $4.38m
The Book of Eli $2.48m
The Tooth Fairy $2.25m
ELI is a lock to be Denzel's second biggest BO success, awesome first movie Gary. Fuck I'm still haunted by the movie's visuaul and score .. when is out on Blu-ray?
 
Naked Snake said:
That was the other main "science thing" that bothered me (besides the floating mountains, which I'm fine with now)... I kept thinking "Damn, that's some really fast Wi-Fi signal."

I'm all ears if anyone has convincing arguments for it.

I was under the impression that the consciousness was transferred over. It explains the ending a lot better.
When the main character is permanently transported into the Avatar. If the Avatar was simply a receiver, that could never have happened.
 
SlipperySlope said:
I was under the impression that the consciousness was transferred over. It explains the ending a lot better.
When the main character is permanently transported into the Avatar. If the Avatar was simply a receiver, that could never have happened.

Pretty much.

Also, to the guy talking about the wifi signal. You're comparing the WiFi we have now, which has only been around for a decade commercially, to the wifi from the future? What do you expect, i'm sure wifi (or whatever it will be called then) will be instant.
 
irfan said:
ELI is a lock to be Denzel's second biggest BO success, awesome first movie Gary. Fuck I'm still haunted by the movie's visuaul and score .. when is out on Blu-ray?
Thanks :) Not sure when the BD is coming, will keep you posted.
 
Naked Snake said:
No, they looked more rectangular shaped than curved, but I see that both RealD and Dolby 3D can look like those, so it doesn't mean anything.

Edit: After reading detailed descriptions of the formats, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between RealD and Dolby, so I don't care to find out which one I saw anymore... I've decided that it's all gimmicky to me.

Does not mean what you think it does.
 
I finally saw it, after canned plans and various friends getting sick, and I loved it...It's still sold out all weekend around here, amazing.
 
Naked Snake said:
No, they looked more rectangular shaped than curved, but I see that both RealD and Dolby 3D can look like those, so it doesn't mean anything.

Edit: After reading detailed descriptions of the formats, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between RealD and Dolby, so I don't care to find out which one I saw anymore... I've decided that it's all gimmicky to me.


Glasses for ReadD are disposable, you get a new pair each time. The cost is ~50 cents.
Dolby 3d glasses are much more expensive and must be returned to the cinema. The cost is ~ 100 USD.
 
Saw it today on IMAX

I'm basically in the same boat as Naked Snake, I wasn't too interested in the movie before it
came out. I only decided to go after the insane buzz after release and the fact that I never saw a movie in 3d before. Anyways, I saw the movie, and now I officially don't care about AVATAR anymore.

The 3D and the visuals in general were great, but why couldn't Cameron do something better with this great world he created? I don't wanna be that guy and just go all "lol I like this better when it was called...", but I did feel that the weak story did detract from the movie greatly. None of the characters were interesting or particularly enjoyable to watch, they just took their places competently.

I like me some action movies, don't get me wrong, and I'm not trying to say that I expected some mindblowing original story from this. But I felt like it was trying too hard to be serious and epic, that it lacked the excitement or sense of fun that makes other sci-fi action movies enjoyable to watch. Overall, I could take it or leave it really.
 
I did a movie marathon today, was bored

Saw Legion (12:40 PM), Avatar 3-D (Real D) (3:30 PM), Sherlock Holmes (7:00 PM)

Legion made no sense, it was just all over the place

Avatar looked amazing in Real3D, theater was sold the fuck out (3:30 PM), I was like 3 rows to the screen, but the 3D effect still did their job

Sherlock Holmes was entertaining, enjoyed it


As I was switching from Avatar to Sherlock, the 7:10 PM crowed had amassed for their viewing, the manager came and said they had oversold tickets, and needed 10 volunteers to leave and they would be given an extra bonus ticket (gift card) to see another movie, + they can see any other movie playing at the theater that night, I just got at the end of the line and jumped out lol and got a bonus ticket + a free nachos/large soda to boot for Sherlock Holmes, which I already was theater hopping to go see lol
(only 6 people left, no clue what happened)

Then when I was leaving the theater (9:30PM), the 10:00PM show line was being gathered for Avatar 3D and again the manager lol asking people that theater is overbooked

I can't believe the movie has some the craziest legs I have ever seen

So started my marathon @ 12:40PM and ended @ 9:30 PM, saw 3 movies for 6.50, + brought myself a subway sandwich + 1 liter soda, then was given a free nacho/soda at the end lol, good Saturday I had
 
SlipperySlope said:
I was under the impression that the consciousness was transferred over. It explains the ending a lot better.
When the main character is permanently transported into the Avatar. If the Avatar was simply a receiver, that could never have happened.

I didn't actually see that cause I got up from my seat just as they were
"healing him" under the tree
(I was trying to avoid the rush/queue out of the door--it was like 2:00am) and the movie ended before I reached the end of the row, so I only missed the last few seconds.
I assumed they healed him in his human state
, that's an interesting ending though.


Count Dookkake said:
Does not mean what you think it does.

gimmicky /ɡ'ɪmɪki/

* If you describe something as gimmicky, you think it has features which are not necessary or useful, and whose only purpose is to attract attention or publicity.

That's exactly what I meant by it. The 3D is not necessary or useful to me. I found the experience inferior to regular 2D cinema. If this is how 3D TVs will work then I'm glad because I won't be wanting to buy one any time soon.

zoom29 said:
Glasses for ReadD are disposable, you get a new pair each time. The cost is ~50 cents.
Dolby 3d glasses are much more expensive and must be returned to the cinema. The cost is ~ 100 USD.

They were not disposable, we had to give them back at the end. So I guess it's Dolby 3D.

I have a question: I paid around 11 USD for my ticket, this was in a theater in the Middle East. I'm wondering how much (roughly) of that goes to my local theater and what's the studio's cut? And whether the theater's cut is counted towards the worldwide boxoffice total?
 
Gary Whitta said:
Thanks :) Not sure when the BD is coming, will keep you posted.

Ya I agree the movie was great. Although I felt the movie dragged in parts and could have been much more powerful if shortened correctly. Awesome twist ending...up there with the best. Cant wait for the next Whitta movie.
 
Naked Snake said:
I have a question: I paid around 11 USD for my ticket, this was in a theater in the Middle East. I'm wondering how much (roughly) of that goes to my local theater and what's the studio's cut? And whether the theater's cut is counted towards the worldwide boxoffice total?


There have been some discussions on that topic before, but I didn't save the source links. The following is only based on what I remember.

In US, the share ratio changes through the release time. Producers receive the highest share at the beginning, then the share reduces gradually, after several weeks, the cinema gets the majority of the ticket revenue. Not surprisingly, a huge opening weekend is producers' favorite, while a long leg is what cinemas prefer.

It may also be territory dependent. For example, producers get a relatively bigger share in Japan, (so the marketing in Japan is usually heavily star-decorated. ..)

On the contrary, China keeps most of the revenue to their own, split by local distributors and cinemas (rumors are ~85%), producers only receive a small share.. ( China seldom gets a visit by leading actors...)

Box office grosses are the total ticket revenue.
 
Well Bigelow won the Director's Guild Award.

Oscar night is going to be interesting.

The DGA award is viewed as a reliable predictor of the Academy Award for best director. The same director has won both in all but six years since 1948, including last year, when Danny Boyle won both trophies for "Slumdog Millionaire."

The directors branch of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences currently has 366 voting members, or about 6% of the total membership of 5,777. Oscar noms will be announced Tuesday.

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=awardcentral&jump=news&articleid=VR1118014513
 
Naked Snake said:
That's exactly what I meant by it. The 3D is not necessary or useful to me. I found the experience inferior to regular 2D cinema. If this is how 3D TVs will work then I'm glad because I won't be wanting to buy one any time soon.

Next time then don't be talking about the differences between competing systems when you use the word.

You changed subjects without alerting the reader.

No big deal, but you could be clearer.
 
Rindain said:
Cameron deserved it. He directed the fuck out of Avatar, created an entire fictional universe, not to mention invented all the technology to do it.

I'm thinking a split may happen this year at the Oscars. Not sure which way it will go though.
Nah. Other than the Golden Globes, it's pretty much been all Hurt Locker, all the time. Avatar will still get a nom and win a shitload of technicals though.
 
Sharp said:
Nah. Other than the Golden Globes, it's pretty much been all Hurt Locker, all the time. Avatar will still get a nom and win a shitload of technicals though.
Yeah, the DGA seals it for Bigelow, it's not even a question at this point. I think Avatar is just superbly directed, but I haven't seen the competition so I can't really comment on it. She's clearly the Oscar favorite.

I my wife's parents descended on us today, and she got the idea to go see Avatar again (!!!) with one of her girlfriends who also wanted to go (!!!!!). So that's five for me now. And since I'm hauling her dad to it later this week....:lol

That'll be the last, though.

Once thing I find myself really appreciating is that each of the characters in Cameron's movies stay true to themselves. There's never one of those moments in Avatar where someone is doing something just stupid and out of character just for the sake of the plot, where you just want to throw popcorn at the screen. Cameron doesn't do that kind of crap, and it's refreshing after seeing several films recently where someone suddenly veers off character for the sake of a temporary plot swing.

Also, box office update:

1. AVATAR (Fox) Week 7 [3,074]
Friday $7.5M, Saturday $13M, Weekend $28.7M, Est Cume $593.2M
2. EDGE OF DARKNESS (GK/Warner Bros) NEW [3,066]
Friday $5.6M, Saturday $7.4M, Weekend $17.5M
3. WHEN IN ROME (Disney) NEW [2,456]
Friday $4.4M, Saturday $5.1M, Weekend $12M.
4. TOOTH FAIRY (Fox) Week 2 [3,345]
Friday $2.2M (-37%), Saturday $4.6M, Weekend $9.5M, Est Cume $25.6M
5. BOOK OF ELI (Warner Bros) Week 3 [3,075]
Friday $2.3M, Saturday $3.7M, Weekend $8.0M, Est Cume $73.6M

Down 18% from last week, and $7.6m from Titanic's domestic record. It'll pass it Wednesday or Thursday.
CassSept said:
It was linked it another thread but I thought someone who doesn't go to that thread might find it interesting
RedLetterMedia 20-minute review of Avatar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA&feature=sub
Like I said in the other thread, he should stick to reviewing bad movies. This wasn't anywhere near his other stuff, and he actually got a lot of details wrong.
 
CassSept said:
It was linked it another thread but I thought someone who doesn't go to that thread might find it interesting
RedLetterMedia 20-minute review of Avatar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA&feature=sub
It's actually a really good, well-thought-out review that makes a lot of great points. He noticed shit that I certainly didn't. Can't wait for his Attack of the Clones review, he specializes in ripping apart nonsensical, poorly written, or manipulative shit, and in AOTC's case that pretty much describes the entire movie.
 
Sharp said:
It's actually a really good, well-thought-out review that makes a lot of great points. He noticed shit that I certainly didn't. Can't wait for his Attack of the Clones review, he specializes in ripping apart nonsensical, poorly written, or manipulative shit, and in AOTC's case that pretty much describes the entire movie.
i laughed a few times during the review. it's definitely a good one.
and as much as i'm aware i'm being manipulated and played for effect during Avatar, i gladly go along with it and love every minute.
except that fucking tree scene. :P
 
Loved the movie in 2D, just saw it in 3D today and I hated it.

Just can't get immersed into the movie by the blurry extreme close ups, always making you focus on the characters. Fast scenes were also blurry, etc.

I don't see the point of seeing a good CGI movie to see it ruined with that gimmick. Knew it was going to be bad, but the luxury theatre (Gold Class) only offers it in 3D.
 
Lolligag said:
Loved the movie in 2D, just saw it in 3D today and I hated it.

Just can't get immersed into the movie by the blurry extreme close ups, always making you focus on the characters. Fast scenes were also blurry, etc.

I don't see the point of seeing a good CGI movie to see it ruined with that gimmick. Knew it was going to be bad, but the luxury theatre (Gold Class) only offers it in 3D.

Go to a decent 3D theater
 
Saw it last night. Yes it looked amazing. With 3D films though I usually find the interior shots look better then the epic outdoor shots. It was the same here. The whole time I was thinking "man I would KILL to see Aliens with this technology". Story was nothing to write home about though.

Ok Im a virgin when it comes to this technology but is there any way old films can be reworked to look like this, or any word of that happening?
 
Lolligag said:
Loved the movie in 2D, just saw it in 3D today and I hated it.

Just can't get immersed into the movie by the blurry extreme close ups, always making you focus on the characters. Fast scenes were also blurry, etc.

I don't see the point of seeing a good CGI movie to see it ruined with that gimmick. Knew it was going to be bad, but the luxury theatre (Gold Class) only offers it in 3D.

Sounds like you came in wanting to hate it because of the 3d
 
Booser said:
Ok Im a virgin when it comes to this technology but is there any way old films can be reworked to look like this, or any word of that happening?
Lucas wants to do a conversion for Star Wars. I haven't seen a conversion before, but I'm not too optimistic about how they might compare to the real thing. Clash of the Titans is supposed to be one of the first movies to get a conversion, and will come out the first week of April, according to Hollywood Reporter. It's been said a conversion costs about $5M per movie.
 
StoOgE said:
Really? Why do we care about this?

This has got to be one of the most disingenuous things people say on the Internet :lol Like there's not a dozen things you don't geek over or just try to figure out purely for the sake of curiosity in whatever it is that /you/ prefer to talk about.

Anyway, for those who are still curious, I went through the Pandora wiki thing and found an entry that says it's a psionic link. It references humans (in Avatar's timeline) discovering how to make mental communication work via technology, and applying this to the remote body driver science after much experimentation. While the communication is instant, it does say that the range is still limited to a few tens of kilometers. But then, they do keep moving the mobile base around in the movie. Or perhaps for the movie script they just decided intentionally to not mention or pay attention to any distance limits.

FYI, the wiki description also says that the more anthropopmorphic the remote body is, the easier it is for the driver to synch with it, aka the avatars having five fingers and toes, and also more human like faces. It also means the tech doesn't work with trying to hook a human mind up to something that doesn't match a human body image, like a bird or something.

As for how this idea impacts the movie's ending, well, whether or not there's a literal transfer of consciousness during regular operation of the driver's rig, the part in the film where Grace is tended to by the Big Glowy Magic Tree could be taken to suggest that BGMT's tendrils are getting into the nervous system of each body and trying to rewire things. The avatar bodies do have a full brain and such (based off the driver's genetic makeup, remember), they're just grown in vats and purposefully kept vegetables without a personality of their own.
 
cakefoo said:
Lucas wants to do a conversion for Star Wars. I haven't seen a conversion before, but I'm not too optimistic about how they might compare to the real thing. Clash of the Titans is supposed to be one of the first movies to get a conversion, and will come out the first week of April, according to Hollywood Reporter. It's been said a conversion costs about $5M per movie.
There was a conversion done of The Nightmare Before Christmas a while back. I thought it looked awful, but I saw it in Dolby 3D.
 
Kaijima said:
This has got to be one of the most disingenuous things people say on the Internet :lol Like there's not a dozen things you don't geek over or just try to figure out purely for the sake of curiosity in whatever it is that /you/ prefer to talk about.

Anyway, for those who are still curious, I went through the Pandora wiki thing and found an entry that says it's a psionic link. It references humans (in Avatar's timeline) discovering how to make mental communication work via technology, and applying this to the remote body driver science after much experimentation. While the communication is instant, it does say that the range is still limited to a few tens of kilometers. But then, they do keep moving the mobile base around in the movie. Or perhaps for the movie script they just decided intentionally to not mention or pay attention to any distance limits.

FYI, the wiki description also says that the more anthropopmorphic the remote body is, the easier it is for the driver to synch with it, aka the avatars having five fingers and toes, and also more human like faces. It also means the tech doesn't work with trying to hook a human mind up to something that doesn't match a human body image, like a bird or something.

As for how this idea impacts the movie's ending, well, whether or not there's a literal transfer of consciousness during regular operation of the driver's rig, the part in the film where Grace is tended to by the Big Glowy Magic Tree could be taken to suggest that BGMT's tendrils are getting into the nervous system of each body and trying to rewire things. The avatar bodies do have a full brain and such (based off the driver's genetic makeup, remember), they're just grown in vats and purposefully kept vegetables without a personality of their own.


Interesting. I want Neytiri to get psionic powers and blast zombie-Quaritch with them in Ava2ar :lol
 
TAJ said:
There was a conversion done of The Nightmare Before Christmas a while back. I thought it looked awful, but I saw it in Dolby 3D.

Conversions generally are awful, because unlike films shot for 3D, there actually is no second image. They have to warp the original image and skew it to make it appear as if its coming from a second source (or eye). Then the idea of tracing around specific objects that weren't originally shot for 3D really makes me shake my head. This is why I'm really disappointed at the news that Clash of the Titans is being delayed so it can have a wide 3D released.
 
-COOLIO- said:
i typed 'p' into google. first droplist suggestion? pandora
Never forget:
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Oh boy... :lol
 
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