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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)
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http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/03...us-in-3d-martin-scorsese-does/#comment-226469
Scorsese wants to make a drama in 3D. He's talking up 3D again.
Scorsese wants to make a drama in 3D. He's talking up 3D again.
I love the fact that veteran film makers are interested in pushing cinema even until now.
It's because of people like them that films are so much more advanced then they now are.
fuck everyone who hates this sort of progression. And I'm looking at Reitman, with his oscar bait, I only care about my own shit attitude. fuck him.
It's because of people like them that films are so much more advanced then they now are.
fuck everyone who hates this sort of progression. And I'm looking at Reitman, with his oscar bait, I only care about my own shit attitude. fuck him.
I'll still watch his next flick though
A film starring George Clooney, who plays a man who fires people for a living, released during a recession, just in time for Oscar season? Also, the look on his face when JC won the golden globes was telling of this man's true intentions.XMonkey said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jibril said:
Up in the Air was great. Believe me when I say that anybody who uses the term 'Oscar bait' freely has no understanding of the effort that goes into making a film.
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Up in the Air is the most Oscar bait of Oscar bait.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jibril said:
Support for JC aside, Reitman is still a great filmmaker, regardless of his evident personal aspirations or jealousies. I can't shit on him just because he isn't fit to lick Cameron's balls because then I would hate almost everybody.
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Scullibundo said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14454561/ns/entertainment-movies/
Title says it all, albiet from a couple of years ago, it still holds true.
Artsy/Historic/Period piece film released around Christmas is hoping to get Academy notice.
SCULLIBUNDO
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ryutaro's mama said:
But you're pinning a studio's release plan to the director's intention for making the film, which is a mistake to make.
So a film can't be released during the fall or else it's just Oscar baiting? Give me a break. It's not a surprise that most of the critically acclaimed films are released during the fall because believe it or not, people do want to win the big awards. That doesn't make it oscar baiting. You're also gonna tell me that the film is oscar bait because Reitman was pissed off at not winning an award? Shocking.Jibril said:
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XMonkey said:
That is the most immediate contradiction I've seen in a while.
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Scullibundo said:
Reitman knows exactly what's he's doing/looking to achieve when he makes these films and so does the studio.
Thanks you for Smoking in the only exception.
He did the same thing with Juno that he did with Up in the Air.
ryutaro's mama
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XMonkey said:
I was commenting on your contradiction.
By your own words, that's the case.
SCULLIBUNDO
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XMonkey said:
Thankyou.
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Dead said:
Then why not release it in the spring (post Oscar) like he did with TYFS?
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ryutaro's mama said:
The studio decides the release date. If the studio decides a film is in the vein that it could garner oscar votes and thus more publicity, then THE STUDIO will decide to release it around December. Is AVATAR Oscar bait because it was released in December, trying to emulate Titanic's release date run?
ryutaro's mama
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XMonkey said:
Oh really?
Once again:
XMonkey said:
If they are released in the fall because, "believe it or not, they want to win the big awards", why are they releasing the film at that time?
What is the the biggest award of the awards season?
What are they hoping to win?
ryutaro's mama
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Dead said:
Sure, but that still makes the film Oscar bait, even if is on the part of the studio.
And as far as the release date and Reitman are concerned, I'm sure he didn't object.
SCULLIBUNDO
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ryutaro's mama said:
So you're saying AVATAR is an Oscar bait film. Okay.
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Scullibundo said:
Nope, I said:
ryutaro's mama said:
Sherlock Holmes wasn't oscar bait.
Neither was Bedtime Stories the year before.
You know exactly what I mean when I use that term, Sculli.
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ryutaro's mama said:Nope, I said:
Sherlock Holmes wasn't oscar bait.
Neither was Bedtime Stories the year before.
You know exactly what I mean when I use that term, Sculli.
I know what you mean. But I'm just letting you know that I think you're using it wrong. Oscar bait is typically associated with the director's intention. Oscar bait is usually a calculated production that is often guided by the criteria of what the academy has awarded to best film in the past. I can't look at a film like Up in the Air and say it was written or directed in a manner that was calculated to appeal to Oscar voters. There was nothing forced about the film and I thought it was a film that genuinely touched on human ideals.
If you look at a film like The Soloist you will see what I consider to be Oscar bait.
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If Up in the Air is Oscar bait then Avatar is a blatant cash grab, which is worse?
(just for the record, I don't believe either, just Avatar is a fantastic movie made to make money and Up in the air is a fantastic movie that the studios thought could get some awards)
(just for the record, I don't believe either, just Avatar is a fantastic movie made to make money and Up in the air is a fantastic movie that the studios thought could get some awards)
This.Scullibundo said:
Oscar bait has a narrow definition in my opinion, and usually I apply it to a film that's nominated based more on the specific subject matter of the film rather than a great script, great acting, etc. Basically, period dramas, often involving some kind of war/atrocity are what I typically look for as oscar bait because the Academy shows a penchant for nominating these films over and over. The Reader is probably the best example of this recently. This isn't to say they aren't good films, but the studios do tend to craft them to fit a certain Academy mold. Up in the Air hitting on the topic of layoffs/recession isn't oscar baiting, it's just a movie made to reflect the times we're living in right now and I find it hard to really consider any dark comedy oscar bait since that kind of humor can be very hit and miss. The script is fantastic (and easily deserving of best adapted in my mind), and so is the acting, so it isn't the subject matter alone that the film is riding on.
As for fall releases... if I'm a filmmaker and I have a great script that I think can win awards you can bet that I want to try and have it released in the fall so it gets noticed. This doesn't mean I'm oscar baiting, it just means I have to work within the system to try and get my film noticed. I'm particularly impressed with what The Hurt Locker has done considering it was a limited summer release.
This is all I'll say on the matter, since we aren't really talking about Avatar anymore :lol
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XMonkey said:
Eh, like all long-running threads, we get off-topic and then find our way back.
This thread is always entertaining for that reason.
That's how we roll 'round here.
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And this has been a long thread. Damn. So much history in this thread already. Go back and read your hype to first reviews released, your own impressions. Yeesh.
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Scullibundo said:
GhaleonEB ran out of adjectives around 50 pages in.
The re-supply never arrived either.
crazy monkey
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:lol :lol :lol :lol blue peopleDresden said:
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a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
Tigel said:
The fundamental problem that Cameron may have been facing was a lack of understanding regarding the filming technology Avatar used.
On the surface, it seemed like a lot (most?) of it was CG and, generally speaking, you wouldn't consider a Pixar-esque film director for the top honor because they aren't generally thought to drawing full, emotive performances from their cast. This technology is different in that respect in that the full performances ARE being given and then overlayed with a CG coating.
Having said that, ultimately, I think the rather pedestrian story and writing of Avatar were it's limitations and, while a technological marvel, the cause of it's downfall towards winning best picture and best director...
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