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Zophar said:
You understand that this is factually impossible right? The level of resolution in a theater print demolishes *any* home theater analogue.
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Avatar was filmed in 1080p unfortunately :(
 
Blu-ray.com's captures are of kinda awful quality frankly. No way the blu-ray looks that blurry.

I'm impressed by how much better this scene works in 16:9, though. It'll be like watching the movie for the first time...kinda. :P
 
Discotheque said:
I swear I'm still under the impression that Stephen Lang was a CGI creation. He looks so...action figure-y
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If that means inhumanly awesome, I agree!

He did have a plastic sheen to him, but it is just his aged, leathery, bad ass skin tone.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
If that means inhumanly awesome, I agree!

He did have a plastic sheen to him, but it is just his aged, leathery, bad ass skin tone.
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Yes it does mean that. But also I meant to say he does look really plastic-y. And incredibly ripped for a man of his age. It's really hard to believe that he was the coward in Tombstone.
 
Discotheque said:
Yes it does mean that. But also I meant to say he does look really plastic-y. And incredibly ripped for a man of his age. It's really hard to believe that he was the coward in Tombstone.
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He is just a good actor overall. He was great in Gods and Generals, and I think runs a theater company.
 
Avatar is so visually gorgeous that the DVD menu screen can be afford to be made up almost entirely of scenes from the film. Nothing else except for relatively small "PLAY" "SET UP" and "SEARCH" buttons down at the bottom.
 
Discotheque said:
I swear I'm still under the impression that Stephen Lang was a CGI creation. He looks so...action figure-y
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Probably just the sheen from the pound of makeup they put on him so he doesn't look his age.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
He is just a good actor overall. He was great in Gods and Generals, and I think runs a theater company.
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I personally think he was best in Men Who Stare at Goats, hopefully he comes in more projects in the near future.
 
Woo, just finished rewatching the movie

Still love it just as much. The end gets me every time <3

The quality is just mindblowing. To be honest, the insane quality of the BR, the colors kicked up several notches, etc, are more than a fair trade- off for the 3D.

Thanks to the way that Cameron shot and composed the film, there is still a fantastic sense of depth throughout, even without the 3D glasses.
 
Solo, just buy it. Its like purchasing another ticket to the movie. Costs jack shit and you'll have the film a good 7 months before the rerelease.

$20 is nothing when you consider what you're getting. Double dip or not. Gift it to somebody.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
That was why I owned the DTS DVD of The Haunting. A terrible movie that I was pissed that I paid $2 to see in the theater, but the DTS-ES (first DVD to feature it too!) track was just fucking insane. I have only found a handful of subs capable of handling that film. The Dolby sounded good, but the DTS version was in a league of its own.
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I have that too. The first time I watched it it shook a figure off my shelf :lol

That track and the amazing set design makes owning that movie justifiable.
 
Man, reading here was such a mistake.... :-(
I want this movie before the weekend but damn Amazon first dispatched it yesterday, which means that I won't see my BluRay until Monday. *argh* It's driving me nuts here!!
 
Got mine :D

Okay, I might give it to my dad next week as a bday gift, but his tv setup is horrible. PC as a BR is okay, but his god damn BOSE speakers both placed on the left side of the room are horrible. Yes, he hears better on that ear, but I need 5.1 to really enjoy a nice movie.

I won´t buy another copy, even if it´s cheap, because I´ll double dip later this year, just like the rest of the world.

Under those circumstances "testing" it before giving it away is 100% a-okay, right :D

PS: Pandora has those really weird PG-13 necklace physics :lol
 
Scullibundo said:
Solo, just buy it. Its like purchasing another ticket to the movie. Costs jack shit and you'll have the film a good 7 months before the rerelease.

$20 is nothing when you consider what you're getting. Double dip or not. Gift it to somebody.
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Ive already decided that Im going to pick it up in a week or two after I get back from Vegas. Ill be skipping the November release. Im hoping that the features end up being the stuff we all watched on Youtube in December anyways so that I wont miss anything.
 
Just got my Japanese Bluray/DVD set in.

I'm gonna watch it in Japanese to see how they handled that localization. :D

TheExorzist said:
Man, reading here was such a mistake.... :-(
I want this movie before the weekend but damn Amazon first dispatched it yesterday, which means that I won't see my BluRay until Monday. *argh* It's driving me nuts here!!
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Maybe you can buy it from the store and then return Amazon's copy to them later? :lol
 
cvxfreak said:
Just got my Japanese Bluray/DVD set in.
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That's the DVD part like? Do you know if it's just like the DVD version only?

I pre-ordered the DVD version but the Bluray/DVD one is only 10 more euros. So if there's no difference between the DVD versions, I'd like to get the one you got
 
TheExorzist said:
Yor're laughing, but that's probably what I'm gonna do. ;-)
Can't wait till Monday.
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Said, done. Just bought the BluRay in the local store and zapped in a little bit. Shit, the picture quality is absolutly flawless. Can wait for the evening to watch the whole movie again - finally in English!!
 
Holy shit you guys weren't kidding about the picture quality!!! I guess the fact that it's fullscreen has a lot to do with it, but still! I think someone else said it, but it reminded me of the scenes in The Dark Knight that were shot in digital. I was gonna wait for the November release, that's why i only rented the bluray (not bought it), but now I'm started to think I should just go and buy it :D
 
mehdi_san said:
Holy shit you guys weren't kidding about the picture quality!!! I guess the fact that it's fullscreen has a lot to do with it, but still! I think someone else said it, but it reminded me of the scenes in The Dark Knight that were shot in digital. I was gonna wait for the November release, that's why i only rented the bluray (not bought it), but now I'm started to think I should just go and buy it :D
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Nothing in Dark Knight was shot in digital. Film all the way. You might be referring to the IMAX sequences. And the movie being 16:9 means nothing to the quality of the image, it just means there is more on the top and bottom of the screen. Wall-E is 2.35 and that is a perfect image.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Nothing in Dark Knight was shot in digital. Film all the way. You might be referring to the IMAX sequences. And the movie being 16:9 means nothing to the quality of the image, it just means there is more on the top and bottom of the screen. Wall-E is 2.35 and that is a perfect image.
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Sorry you're right about the IMAX, I don't know why I always thought it was digital, but it's a larger film for a higher resolution, right? Now the full screen has a LOT to do with the effect on me - the spectator. Watching a movie that fills your whole HDTV, it's like I just bought a new TV! When I watched the movie and said Holy Shit to myself, half of it was due to the screen being filled by the image. So yeah, I know it has nothing to do with the picture quality itself, but it's still very impressive ;)
Edit: I reread my post and it did sound like I was saying the PQ is good because it's fullscreen, whereas I was trying to refer to the wow effect. My apologies.
 
Filling the screen actually really does a lot for the quality of the image, if only because you have more vertical resolution for what would be the same amount of vertical image data were it a wider aspect ratio. A lot of movies might as well be like watching a film in 720p on a smaller screen, since so much of the resolution is consumed by the bars.

(Ignoring the benefit of the extra image on the sides, of course.)
 
Tathanen said:
Filling the screen actually really does a lot for the quality of the image, if only because you have more vertical resolution for what would be the same amount of vertical image data were it a wider aspect ratio. A lot of movies might as well be like watching a film in 720p on a smaller screen, since so much of the resolution is consumed by the bars.

(Ignoring the benefit of the extra image on the sides, of course.)
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Does that mean that usual movies on bluray are encoded in 1080p were the top and down lines are just black? Or do they lie about the 1080 lines and only put the number of lines that actually have an image in it?
 
SMH at those who equate 16:9 fullscreen = better picture quality. If the film was meant to be seen in 2.35:1 by the filmmakers, then that's how it should be seen at home. (And yes I do realize Avatar's variable AR situation).
 
mehdi_san said:
Does that mean that usual movies on bluray are encoded in 1080p were the top and down lines are just black? Or do they lie about the 1080 lines and only put the number of lines that actually have an image in it?
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Blu rays indeed count the black bars as part of the 1080p. If you viewed a [greater than 16:9] blu ray movie on one of those extra-wide TVs, you'd get letterboxing and pillarboxing.

richiek said:
SMH at those who equate 16:9 fullscreen = better picture quality. If the film was meant to be seen in 2.35:1 by the filmmakers, then that's how it should be seen at home. (And yes I do realize Avatar's variable AR situation).
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I'm only arguing objective clarity, not intended aspect ratio. I'll always respect the latter, but you can't argue that taking an image that's made at a higher resolution than the TV and then scaling it down to less than 1080 vertical lines will result in something less crisp than scaling it to exactly 1080 lines. Again, if the movie isn't natively 16:9 you obviously lose the sides of the image and that's no good, but this might be why Avatar looks so crisp on the blu ray in general. Full use of the vertical resolution.
 
mehdi_san said:
Does that mean that usual movies on bluray are encoded in 1080p were the top and down lines are just black? Or do they lie about the 1080 lines and only put the number of lines that actually have an image in it?
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The "black bars" are hard-coded into the video. There's no other way to preserve the director's intended aspect ratio. So yeah, technically films in 2.35:1 aspect ratio have less resolution than 16:9 ones on blu-ray.
 
Tathanen said:
Blu rays indeed count the black bars as part of the 1080p. If you viewed a [greater than 16:9] blu ray movie on one of those extra-wide TVs, you'd get letterboxing and pillarboxing.



I'm only arguing objective clarity, not intended aspect ratio. I'll always respect the latter, but you can't argue that taking an image that's made at a higher resolution than the TV and then scaling it down to less than 1080 vertical lines will result in something less crisp than scaling it to exactly 1080 lines. Again, if the movie isn't natively 16:9 you obviously lose the sides of the image and that's no good, but this might be why Avatar looks so crisp on the blu ray in general. Full use of the vertical resolution.
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Technically the 2.35 movies would have a higher bitrate for the image since the black bars take minimal amount of data space on the film. But it is all about what the intent of the filmmaker is. 2.35 or 1.85, whatever the filmmaker intends is how it should be, whether it fills the screen or not.
 
jett said:
The "black bars" are hard-coded into the video. There's no other way to preserve the director's intended aspect ratio. So yeah, technically films in 2.35:1 aspect ratio have less resolution than 16:9 ones on blu-ray.
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You sure? When played on PC they don't show the bars unless it's fullscreen. I don't believe they're part of the res.
 
DonMigs85 said:
You sure? When played on PC they don't show the bars unless it's fullscreen. I don't believe they're part of the res.
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They are hardcoded in. The image is recorded on the disc at 1920x1080, which is a 16:9 ratio. Anything other than that need to hardcode the bars onto the image in order to retain the original aspect ratio. That is why older 1.33 movies like Casablanca have the bars hard coded on the sides, but wider films like Wall-E have the bars hard coded on the top and bottom. If you are playing it back on a PC and there are no bars, the software must be zooming in to eliminate the bars (and as a result, part of the picture).
 
Gui_PT said:
That's the DVD part like? Do you know if it's just like the DVD version only?

I pre-ordered the DVD version but the Bluray/DVD one is only 10 more euros. So if there's no difference between the DVD versions, I'd like to get the one you got
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They're identical in terms of content, if that's what you're asking.

They re-recorded the Nav'i language for the Japanese track, and it loses a lot of the charm in the process. The intonation doesn't seem as strong or well defined.
 
Hey is there a name for that technique when the camera suddenly zooms in while shaking a little bit (a-la gran turismo), and that is used a lot in Avatar?
 
mehdi_san said:
Hey is there a name for that technique when the camera suddenly zooms in while shaking a little bit (a-la gran turismo), and that is used a lot in Avatar?
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I call it either random and out of place zoom-ins or wtf were you thinking james cameron.
 
mehdi_san said:
Hey is there a name for that technique when the camera suddenly zooms in while shaking a little bit (a-la gran turismo), and that is used a lot in Avatar?
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I don't think there's a specific name for it but it's a digital replication of documentary/handheld style, sometimes also simulating a camera recording from a chase vehicle.
 
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