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I'm gonna buy it...if I get the chance..ON THE BLACK MARKET... :lol :lol

people who live near some star..billions of billions of miles away..

Pandora is Jupiter's moon :lol
 
That video was funny, they go through 20 people before they finally find a nerd that knows anything. Loved the one girl who started talking about the last airbender.
 
rhino4evr said:
just want to add that i think its fucking hilarious that Ebert rated this 4 stars..and yet haters (who were somehow convinced he would trash it) still want to hate on it.

He even compared it to seeing Star Wars the first time..I mean if that doesn't get you just a little excited then you are truly joyless.

I was a doubter, and I ate my crow early, but some of you just refuse to take your medicine. All aboard the hype train!! toot toot.
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I hate Star Wars. Always have, since I was a child. I know, I lose some geek cred or some shit - I don't care. I thought it was cheesy and boring back then, and I still think it's cheesy and boring now.

Also some people seem to think that ones opinion is dictated by the whims of others. People like that are fantards and limpdicked mouthbreathers, not me. I am strongwilled enough to form my own opinions unaffected by the beliefs of others.

I form my opinion on what is right and wrong, nobody else. It's worth trying sometime, rhino.
 
Gonna watch it this wednesday. Just 2d for now, but if I like it I'll go see it in 3d during the holidays. No 3d cinema in my city though.
 
I'm sad, I'll never watch it, I just cant get over "cat people", I blame the "internets"

Its nice it did well though, hopefully he can make his next movie within the next 12 years.
 
Amir0x said:
I hate Star Wars. Always have, since I was a child. I know, I lose some geek cred or some shit - I don't care. I thought it was cheesy and boring back then, and I still think it's cheesy and boring now.

Also some people seem to think that ones opinion is dictated by the whims of others. People like that are fantards and limpdicked mouthbreathers, not me. I am strongwilled enough to form my own opinions unaffected by the beliefs of others.

I form my opinion on what is right and wrong, nobody else. It's worth trying sometime, rhino.
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lol, man no wonder you are a mod, you sound just like the police
 
Amir0x said:
I hate Star Wars. Always have, since I was a child. I know, I lose some geek cred or some shit - I don't care. I thought it was cheesy and boring back then, and I still think it's cheesy and boring now.
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yeah, after a sad statement like this, I don't really care about your opinion anymore.

Hate away.
 
it is good to know the police are the only ones who form their own opinions.

rhino4ever said:
yeah, after a sad statement like this, I don't really care about your opinion anymore.
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The truly sad thing is you thought I would care about this.
 
Amir0x said:
it is good to know the police are the only ones who form their own opinions.



The truly sad thing is you thought I would care about this.
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I don't care...why do you care so much?

Like I said you are free to hate on the movie all you want, anyone that takes no joy out of watching a film as entertaining as Star Wars could never be taken seriously.

So I will just void your opinions/posts from here on out. No point in arguing with a blank wall.
 
rhino4evr said:
Like I said you are free to hate on the movie all you want,
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But this whole time you were freaking out at people because they weren't fall lockstep in with Ebert?! Or like jerk this movie off due to positive reviews?

Only now, when I disliked a film series you love, I'm free to "hate away"? That's all it took for your vanity to be exposed, and you to give up your petulant whining about the "haters"? Someone to not like Star Wars?

You guys are hilarious, and the funny part is you don't even realize how you look :lol :lol
 
A lot of the time Amirox seems vocally contrarian just for the sake of vocally contrarian.

I'm not sure what's going on this time (I'm not sure how he can legitimately hate on a movie he hasn't seen yet)...

But it doesn't matter if you wear the jacket or don't wear the jacket; you're doing it because of them. And that's what's weak.
 
Amir0x is owning motherfuckers in this thread.

Seriously, guys, all he is saying is that the aesthetics surrounding this film do not appeal to him and that a single review from a critic that he respects is not going to change his opinion in that regard. There's a clear difference between hating and expressing one's opinion in an articulate way, and Ami is clearly in the latter group.

Also, Star Wars is definitely not a 'so great that it can be a judge of taste' kind of movie. I love it, don't get me wrong; Episodes IV and V are two of my most favorite movies. I also acknowledge that by objective film-making standards, it is relatively average. The awesomeness of Star Wars comes from its characters and the overall feel of the universe; if those two things don't do much for a person, there's not much else, outside of the fantastic music, for a person to get attached to.
 
Zaptruder, that's the thing - I haven't hated this movie at all. I said the plot seems kinda lame and I hate the blue alien design. That's about it. I haven't made any remote judgment about the quality of the final product, except that it's the first time I haven't really been hyped for a James Cameron movie because of these reservations.

But for the fanboys, like fanboys of the Wii or fanboys of a band, it doesn't matter the point. It matters that someone is saying MEAN THINGS about their sacred cow, no matter how tiny. Only positive commentary is allowed. And of course, I am the police in their police state.
 
Amir0x said:
Zaptruder, that's the thing - I haven't hated this movie at all. I said the plot seems kinda lame and I hate the blue alien design. That's about it. I haven't made any remote judgment about the quality of the final product, except that it's the first time I haven't really been hyped for a James Cameron movie because of these reservations.
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Well that's fair enough. At least you're making judgement on what can be seen.

To be fair, I think opinion on the design elements of the movie will to some extent affect your level of enjoyment of the movie.

Not necessarily cause you to hate the movie, but maybe not latch onto this movie as a second coming before and after.

Personally, I think the mech designs are pretty atrocious as well... and I'm not a big fan of 10feet tall somewhat feline blue aliens either. And the plot when summarized into a couple sentences does sound lame.

But I don't find my enthusiasm dulled... I'm just expecting a quality to the film that goes beyond a sum of these somewhat dubious elements. That so called James Cameron factor. It would seem that most of the reviews thus far have been reinforcing this idea. Maybe that's setting me up for disappointment, but at least it's going to get me into the (3D) theatre.
 
Amir0x said:
I hate Star Wars. Always have, since I was a child. I know, I lose some geek cred or some shit - I don't care. I thought it was cheesy and boring back then, and I still think it's cheesy and boring now.
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You miss the point. Seeing Star Wars when it first came out is one of those cultural touchstones an entire generation looks back on as a memorable breakthrough in film making. Don't like the movie? Fine. But it was a movie - an event - that defined a generation's film going experience. You can dislike that movie and still understand the example and what it meant.

But you're a bit too wrapped up in yourself to see the larger point. You're being really, really weird here, Ami.
 
list a guy on imdb compiled of all the reviews not up on RT just yet. Don't think the reviews with the Blogger logo will go on RT though

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GhaleonEB said:
You miss the point. Seeing Star Wars when it first came out is one of those cultural touchstones an entire generation looks back on as a memorable breakthrough in film making. Don't like the movie? Fine. But it was a movie - an event - that defined a generation's film going experience. You can dislike that movie and still understand the example and what it meant.

But you're a bit too wrapped up in yourself to see the larger point.
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rhino's point is the one I was referencing, not Eberts. He said "he compared it to Star Wars... if you can't get excited for that, you have no joy!" The problem is, Star Wars isn't an exciting or memorable event for me. And I don't form an opinion on movies based on how important they are for a generation, though clearly Star Wars was at least that.

At the end of the day, the only question is this: is it good or is it bad? That's how I am going to view it, not by how important it is to a legion of fanboys.

Zaptruder said:
But I don't find my enthusiasm dulled... I'm just expecting a quality to the film that goes beyond a sum of these somewhat dubious elements. That so called James Cameron factor. It would seem that most of the reviews thus far have been reinforcing this idea. Maybe that's setting me up for disappointment, but at least it's going to get me into the (3D) theatre.
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Yeah, totally, I'm going to see it too. I have my tickets already ordered. It's just I have strong reservations about it, so I'm not HYPED as I would be for a James Cameron movie. I'm indifferent. I see elements I don't like, and I discuss them on a discussion thread. The blue aliens, the dialogue, the predictable plot. Issues that individually add up to making me 'not hyped.'

But I imagine I'll still get my moneys worth for my tickets - it's still going to be a spectacle and interesting to see the technology used in the movie. And so that's why I go.
 
JGS said:
I've seen a number of reviews that seem to suggest the movie's story is formulaic, but it kind of needs to be because even a little complexity would be overkill for this movie
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go on ...
 
Amir0x said:
rhino's point is the one I was referencing, not Eberts. He said "he compared it to Star Wars... if you can't get excited for that, you have no joy!" The problem is, Star Wars isn't an exciting or memorable event for me. And I don't form an opinion on movies based on how important they are for a generation, though clearly Star Wars was at least that.

At the end of the day, the only question is this: is it good or is it bad? That's how I am going to view it, not by how important it is to a legion of fanboys.
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I think the comparisons to Star Wars miss the point (including rhino's), which is what my post was about. Ebert didn't compare Avatar to Star Wars. He compared it to the experience of seeing Star Wars. It's as if someone said, "Holy shit, that was like being at Woodstock again," and you respond with, "Meh, I don't like the Rolling Stones."

But your bottom line is right, of course. It's whether you like the movie or not. But the enthusiasm so far is a good sign.
JB1981 said:
i've always enjoyed Drew McWeeney's (formerly Moriarty from AICN) writing.

Here is his review of Avatar:

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...cameron-s-avatar-delivers-transports-delights
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Heh. Speaking of which....
In many ways, my anticipation for James Cameron's "Avatar" started in 1977, when I emerged from the darkness after my first viewing of the original "Star Wars."

I was seven years old, and my brain had just been rewired by what I saw on that screen. I didn't know how George Lucas discovered those alien planets and managed to get movie cameras to visit them, but I knew for a fact that I had left Earth and visited new places, met real aliens, and had a fantastic adventure. And the experience transformed me immediately into a cinema junkie in general, but specifically, it awakened a deeply-seeded love in me for the idea of world-building on film.

In the 32 years since then, I've read a lot of science-fiction and fantasy, both high-minded and pulp, and I've seen pretty much everything in those genres on film. I've watched the gradual refinement and evolution of special effects on film, and I've watched many filmmakers, including George Lucas, try to nail the same sort of giddy feeling of travel to a new world, and I've seen most of them fall short.

Yesterday morning, I got a hit of the real stuff for the first time in a long time.
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I have no hype for this movie, and I love it. Too many times in the past 5 or so years Ive gotten too hyped for a movie, and when it ends up merely good, I come out feeling like it was terrible. Ill be walking into this next Friday with a clear mind, as it should be.
 
Solo said:
I have no hype for this movie, and I love it.
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Same here. The reviews have convinced me I should see it, but there's little to no hype in my mind.

(I think most of my inner hype is reserved for Cameron's upcoming GUNNM movie!)
 
Max@GC said:
Regarding an U.S. project THAT big and with so much money involved I think it is pretty risky to put that kind of criticism in it. I mean most Americans are pretty sensitive when it comes to topics that are against patriotism, aren´t they?
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Anti-American films made by American filmmakers (which Cameron is not :lol ) are a dime a dozen.

Not that I think Avatar is an anti-American film (its cultural "criticisms" seem pretty broad and could be easily applied to just about any country), I'm just saying that the idea of a film portraying "rebels against the system" or criticizing American policy to some degree is hardly new or brave.
 
Mr. Sam said:
Christ, getting tickets to see this in 3D is a fucking pain.
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It looks like every showing in Toronto still has tickets for sale.

Even though I have very low expectations for the film, I'm still looking forward to seeing how closely the film meets/exceeds them.

This will also being the first 3D film I ever see...
 
GhaleonEB said:
It's as if someone said, "Holy shit, that was like being at Woodstock again," and you respond with, "Meh, I don't like the Rolling Stones."
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The Rollings Stones were not at Woodstock.
anal.
 
Zaptruder said:
Well that's fair enough. At least you're making judgement on what can be seen.

To be fair, I think opinion on the design elements of the movie will to some extent affect your level of enjoyment of the movie.

Not necessarily cause you to hate the movie, but maybe not latch onto this movie as a second coming before and after.

Personally, I think the mech designs are pretty atrocious as well... and I'm not a big fan of 10feet tall somewhat feline blue aliens either. And the plot when summarized into a couple sentences does sound lame.

But I don't find my enthusiasm dulled... I'm just expecting a quality to the film that goes beyond a sum of these somewhat dubious elements. That so called James Cameron factor. It would seem that most of the reviews thus far have been reinforcing this idea. Maybe that's setting me up for disappointment, but at least it's going to get me into the (3D) theatre.
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The bolded is where I'm at. I'll go see it, though, and I sicerely hope I like it.
 
Zaptruder said:
Personally, I think the mech designs are pretty atrocious as well... and I'm not a big fan of 10feet tall somewhat feline blue aliens either. And the plot when summarized into a couple sentences does sound lame.
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This is pretty much the reason why I'm waiting for this to hit blu-ray.
 
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