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Amir0x said:
Don't worry, Star Wars sucks balls.
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Don't worry, Star Wars sucks balls.
LegendofJoe
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Avatar...it's coming out next week.....anyone in here ever heard of it?
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We're back up to 90%!
â Narayan
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What the fuck are you talking about? Avatar? Get the fuck out of here.LegendofJoe said:
Gary Whitta
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I love Star Trek AND Star Wars. What does this say about me? Am I the anti-Amir0x?
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SCULLIBUNDO
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MarketSaw have a new audio interview with Cameron where he plain out says The Dive is a much more likely candidate for his next project, as opposed to Battle Angel, because he doesn't want to spend another four years making a film after AVATAR.
PrivateWHudson
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Amir0x said:
Wow... I'm pretty sure that I can't even think 120wpm.
Anyway, have there been anymore TV spots released on the interwebs? I think #14 (or #15) was pretty badass, but someone was talking about another really good one in the other thread. Did anyone ever figure out what spot it was, and if so is there a link?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Jett will especially like the interview at 13:50 where Cameron discusses their different approach to shooting 3D. http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/12/exclusive-james-cameron-interview-talks.html
Hudson - there is actually a brand new 'Flying' spot out there somewhere. I saw it on Google News if you search James Cameron and filter the last hour. I don't watch the spots, but I assume it hasn't been posted yet.
Hudson - there is actually a brand new 'Flying' spot out there somewhere. I saw it on Google News if you search James Cameron and filter the last hour. I don't watch the spots, but I assume it hasn't been posted yet.
Furret said:
Wait, you're saying that that the only way that someone who likes "Gattaca, followed by Blade Runner, 2001: Space Odyssey, Aliens, Back to the Future" hates Star Wars is through personal trauma?
My god, you are delusional.
I don't really share Amir0x's taste (from the sci-fi movies he listed, I only really like 2001), but really now, you can't be that dense.Furret said:
I'll try to keep it as clean and objective as I can -
Star Wars has a rather unique style of writing and directing, the characterization and dialog alone (yes, even in the original trilogy, go watch it again) is not something you'd find in many other
not made for TV
Some call it magical, I'd call it bad, either way, it's not indicative of the genre.
In fact, I'd say Star Wars fans are no more likely to like science fiction movies like 2001, Moon, Stalker or Terminator than your "normal" movie goers.
That's such a weird thing to say.Furret said:
Amir0x said:
ehh..I guess I just dont hate as many things as you do. The original Star Wars Trilogy is the reason I am in to Sci-Fi in the first place. It was my first introduction, and Ive seen all the films 100 times, and still enjoy them just as much as I did when I was a kid. a fan of Sci-Fi not liking Star Wars (or Star Trek) is like a fat person not liking pizza (or chicken wings)..it's possible, but it just doesnt make a lot of sense.
I enjoy Gattica, 2001, and all those "serious" sci-fi films...I read I-Robot before Will Smith shit on it, HG Wells Time Machine was one of my favorite books as a teenager. I really like Sci-fi...but I enjoy it on a Pulp level just as much.
Avatar is a mass Sci-Fi spectacle..just like ALL of his films. So, I dont see why this wouldnt interest someone into Sci-Fi or cinema in general . Even when I was doubting it, I still wanted to see Avatar, mainly because it's the next big Sci-Fi event flick...the positive reviews are icing..and my pessimism has melted.
It's more of a pulp film, a swashbuckling Errol Flynn type of movie in space, not a proper legend.Medalion said:
But my puzzlement was with the statement that it's a fairy tale version of The Lord of the Rings, which is just weird, and not only because Lord of the Rings is already a fairy tale.
Seriously, don't judge the entire world by your own personal experience.rhino4evr said:
Star Wars is a sci-fi film only on the most basic aesthetic level, it's not only possible to like sci-fi and not like this franchise, it's actually quite common.
Count Dookkake
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FWIW, the only other movie experiences that function similarly to Star Wars are the Kill Bill films and House of 1000 Corpses/Devil's Rejects.
Amir0x said:
You have no inner child and lack imagination lol. What you just said is sacrilege! This is Star Wars we're talking about dude?! How?!!! The only people I've ever met of the thousands upon thousands (in RL) who have not liked Star Wars have only ever been females. This does not bode well for you Amir0x! Lol. Fair enough though, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But yea, never thought I'd live to hear the day another guy spoke about Star Wars the way you just did. Crazy!
Really?Count Dookkake said:
Those 3 films are some of the most stylistically derivative movies out there (and intentionally so).
Are all your friends nerds?nib95 said:
I'm not saying all nerds like Star Wars or that all non-nerds hate it, it's far far from the truth, but the only population where Star Wars is such a holy cow, a movie that it is unthinkable to not like, are the uber-nerds.
In the "real world", it's more acceptable to hate Star Wars than to say it's the greatest movie ever.
And before you get all defensive, I didn't call you a nerd or say I'm somehow better than you, I'm just having a hard time believing you never met a man who don't like Star Wars.
Very very hard time.
rhino4evr said:
Well, it was different for me. When I first saw Star Wars, and I wish i could introduce you to some of the people around me so I'd be able to independently confirm this with you doubters, I actually was put off by the sci fi genre for a while. I didn't even want to watch other sci-fi movies because after my experience with it and Star Trek, I was really pretty much felt "if this is what people consider the best, then it's clearly not a genre for me."
But being that narrowminded never gets you anywhere, especially when you love movies like I do. And so yeah, I tried other things. And slowly, I begun to build up a list of sci-fi movies I really love. And depending on how loose you are with the term "sci-fi", some of my all-time favorite movies are sci-fi.
But then I saw 2001. I saw 2001 after Star Wars (I know), and I was completely entranced. What a movie! Gorgeous, scintillating, thought-provoking and it had a world I was instantly captivated by. Now this was sci-fi, I thought! Then i saw Aliens, and I saw Back to the Future, and I saw a plethora of other sci-fi that made me believe that no... you don't have to like Star Wars to be interested in the genre. You don't have to settle for "cheesy" when you can get a Gattaca.
rhino4evr said:
Right, and, wouldn't you know it... I have my tickets purchased to see a RealD version of AVATAR at the Cinemark in Moosic on opening day
This is the theme here. Nobody sees gray. They always see black and white. Admittedly I am guilty of this at times too, but mostly it's hyperbole-for-effect. You guys are serious about this stuff. You think it's not possible to not be hyped, or have issues with something. You have to LOVE it or else.
I want to see AVATAR, i'm just not hyped for it like I typically am for a James Cameron movie. I have reservations. I'm not in love with a lot of what I've heard, it's problematic. But that does not mean I am not interested in seeing it and forming my OWN opinion.
Chichikov said:
Oh no, I won't get defensive.
But to answer your question, hell no! Lol. My friends come from pretty much every kind of background you can think of. From rude boys to prep types, musicians, creatives, religious types, partyholics, jocks, athletes you name it. Don't get me wrong, I've met guys who have not been over the moon with the film, but none that have expressed the kind of detestation that Amir0x has. I mean, just the cool characters (Darth Vader/Maul?), space battles or lightsabers I'd imagine would be enough to win most guys over.
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Chichikov said:
Each is a grab bag of its respective genre that adds up to more than just a recreation of the originals they revere. They somehow manage to compile cliches, without veering into parody. Maybe there is a musical that does something similar.
I always laugh when people define Darth Vader as cool. Even the very first time I ever saw him, I think I was seven years old, and I remember thinking he was not really a good villain. And when you get older, the ability to remain serious about him completely fades away... he's a bizarre guy wearing a hideous costume who can hardly breath.
Yes, I know, he can force choke a bitch. But he always came across as incredibly silly.
Anyway, I am aware that people in the gaming/sci-fi community believe Star Wars and Star Trek are sci-fi holy grails. I am aware and no, my opinion of this does not change. So do we have to keep discussing this in an AVATAR thread? I don't care to defend the point since my only purpose originally was to defend Ebert from ignorance and it's clearly gonna derail everything forever.
Yes, I know, he can force choke a bitch. But he always came across as incredibly silly.
Anyway, I am aware that people in the gaming/sci-fi community believe Star Wars and Star Trek are sci-fi holy grails. I am aware and no, my opinion of this does not change. So do we have to keep discussing this in an AVATAR thread? I don't care to defend the point since my only purpose originally was to defend Ebert from ignorance and it's clearly gonna derail everything forever.
Amir0x said:
The fact he can barely breath is what removes him further from reality and gives him a more fearful persona. Because you're always curious as to why he sounds messed up. Wondering whether he looks like a hideous beast behind the mask. Also, he's voiced by James Earl Jones! How can that be anything but "cool"? Lol.
Anyway, you can't argue an opinion, but I'll agree to disagree.
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Anyone else see the Avatar happy meal navi toys? They light up when you stroke them!
Wait, you list Maul?nib95 said:
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, who knows, we're probably were not born in the same region of the world, but I refuse to believe you have not met a person who hates The Phantom Menace.
One of us has to be crazy/full of shit.
While everything you say is true, when Star Wars was first released, it looked like nothing else most people had ever seen, it was visually unique.Count Dookkake said:
Kill Bill is the exact opposite, and intentionally so.
He didn't say sci-fi fans, he said general population.rhino4evr said:
And while there are certainly more people that like that movie than those who don't, people rank it in the top 10 of all time are still a minority (which is what I'm talking about).
Amir0x said:
Right..which is why I misjudged your original comments. Sometimes its easier to see the negative in someones opinion. I would say you were probably guilty of the same thing.
I understand that there are people that don't enjoy these kind of movies..I was just confused why someone who didn't was posting in the thread in the first place.
but whatever...very few of us have seen it yet...looking forward to everyones ACTUAL reaction instead of their expectation...
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Chichikov said:
QFT.
Chichikov said:
Wait, somewhere there was confusion. Even I'm not a big fan of Menace (in-fact, beyond the last battle I thought it was tard). What I meant was, the average guy (by average I mean your regular joe) probably thought Darth Maul as a character was pretty cool. I mean....he looks pretty meanacing and does flips and shit lol. Whilst wielding a double sided lightsaber. Surely you can appreciate that's pretty bad ass?
But yea, like I said, I've met people who have been a tad down or luke warm on the franchise. But no one who's out and out destroyed it with negativity like Amir0x has.
As in, with respect to this post.
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Gary Whitta said:
Really? I'm surprised they'd do a happy meal toy for a PG-13 movie.
Amir0x said:Yup. This is a good way to leave our great debate. I look forward to experiencing it and seeing what I really think too.
word. I trust Gaf over Ebert any day! ha ha.
I wont be able to see this till after the holiday, so I will probably have to disappear for awhile to avoid massive spoilers.
So the UK Daily Mail posts this LONG article, all about Cameron's personality and his penchant for risk-taking, and Drudge comes away with
"3D effects left several viewers feeling nauseous..."
People are definitely rooting for this movie to fail, just so they can print "BIGGEST FLOP EVER OMG, CAMERON LOSES, etc. etc."
"3D effects left several viewers feeling nauseous..."
People are definitely rooting for this movie to fail, just so they can print "BIGGEST FLOP EVER OMG, CAMERON LOSES, etc. etc."
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God damn, they're going to make kids play "red rocket" with their pets.Gary Whitta said:
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Darth Vader is pretty much the physical embodiment of evil. He doesn't need to be super athletic or capable of amazing feats of strength. He's calm, composed (NOOOOOOO notwithstanding, stupid Lucas) and can kill you from across the room. And people fear him. And it's not just that--the suit design and theme that plays whenever he appears are absolutely iconic.Amir0x said:
Anyway, going to see Avatar when it releases. Is it just me or does the movie have little hype outside of the fans? None of my friends were the least bit interested in it.
I'm forcing them to go anyway!
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Medalion said:
What didn't you like about it? Just the script?
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Blader5489 said:
that original trilogy just rocks fucking ass. i watch that stuff over and over, and never get tired of it. it's not overcomplicated stuff, but it just hits every note just right for me. it helps that it has one of the most fantastic scores of any movie or set of movies i've ever seen, coupled with some extremely iconic imagery; when luke is looking up at the two suns, for example, the music that plays is just perfect. john williams is a god damn genius.
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