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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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polyh3dron said:
Yeah because getting GAF members to see Avatar is key to the movie's success. I wish they'd pay me to post in forums.

Apparently you're not familiar with how this works. It's more common than you apparently know for a company to pay some intern peanuts to sign up for a few forum accounts where they talk up their product. Hell, it's happened on GAF a couple times before and people got called out for it.

So, either you're fooling yourself, or passing the buck off, you filthy marketing intern.
 
Random anecdotal evidence that this should do well.

Over the weekend my family got together to celebrate an engagement, and both my mom and my sister said they wanted to see the movie.

...out of nowhere :lol
 
RubxQub said:
Random anecdotal evidence that this should do well.

Over the weekend my family got together to celebrate an engagement, and both my mom and my sister said they wanted to see the movie.

...out of nowhere :lol
it continues
 
Neverfade said:
MMMM, free movies.

Also, how many people in this thread are on Avatar's marketing payroll? There's excitement, and then there's borderline obvious shill. A few here are blurring that line. :lol

You just can't drop that here man.:lol

Name name's.
 
For the longest time I did not care for this movie at all. Nothing interesting about it.

They aired a trailer for it last night and it was pretty interesting. I care not for the 3d silliness but if the girl friend gets bored, I'll go see this movie.

---- My two month ban is finally over.
 
Scullibundo said:
I've only seen as much as the teaser and theatrical trailer. Nothing more.

Same here, plus the Avatar Day preview. I think my self imposed hiatus from GAF and the Avatar threads has worked out quite nicely thus far. I just got tickets for the family and some friends from out of town to see it Friday night. We're all extremely excited, and I hope it lives up to my post-Avatar Day expectations.
 
I'm surprised that this got good reviews....I figured it would be a flop but I guess not...I'll be seeing it hopefully this weekend i suppose
 
Phntmbanana said:
I'm surprised that this got good reviews....I figured it would be a flop but I guess not...I'll be seeing it hopefully this weekend i suppose

Good reviews don't mean it won't be a flop, although I suspect it'll do very well. The budget is pretty high though, so it's going to have to make a lot of money just to break even, and personally, I think the trailers have not done the film justice so far. There is little buzz amongst my friends and family for it.

That aside, I'm ready to see it, and will most likely go next weekend. :)
 
Phntmbanana said:
I'm surprised that this got good reviews....I figured it would be a flop but I guess not...I'll be seeing it hopefully this weekend i suppose

Yeah reviews are one thing but it actually needs people going to the cinemas to see the movie. It will at least have a good word of mouth and now Fox also have plenty of rave reviews that they can paste all over the TV and Print ad's.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Why say that people here are praising the movie because they are bought off? Proof?

As I said in my previous post, There's praising a movie, and there's taughting it as the second coming of christ.. Seems to me a few of you are on the defensive.

I'm not the only one to point this out. I believe duckroll mentioned the same thing a page or two ago. No one really argues with the mod though, huh?

Seriously though, chill out. I haven't said anything negative about the movie. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

mckmas8808 said:
Why say that people here are praising the movie because they are bought off? Proof?

Why say I'm mad the movie will do well? Proof?

I can do this too!
 
mckmas8808 said:
He's just mad that the movie will do well.

I've been going back through the old threads and the amount of people who were actively hoping that the film would flop is strangely disturbing.

Part of the reason why TF2 passing $400 million was such a hoot,the pure vitriol that was directed at that movie was hilarious as well.
 
Neverfade said:
There's praising a movie, and there's taughting it as the second coming of christ..
Anyone who is ho-hum about this movie's release is dull as hell.

It's only one of the biggest budget movies to ever be released by one of the greatest and most proven directors of our time.

...nope...nothing to see here. No expectations to have with this one...
 
"Oscar can relax. The epic crowd-pleaser the Academy lusted for is here, the one to show that the geezer voters are hip to what the kids want (3-D IMAX) and what the industry needs (the kind of wowser you'll pay to see on a big screen). James Cameron's tone-deaf but thunderously exciting Avatar, costing a record $300 million, is just the thing to pump box-office blood into Oscar's idiotically expanded Best Picture category (10 nominees instead of the usual five). Nevermind my preference for the life-sized likes of Precious, The Hurt Locker, Up in the Air and An Education. They look puny next to the computerized giants at play in the fields of Lord Cameron."

"It extends the possibilities of what movies can do. Cameron's talent may just be as big as his dreams."

"Unlike hack-of-the-decade Michael Bay, who can transform anything into instant stupid, Cameron knows how to harness technology to storytelling. ":lol

Peter Travers 3.5/4

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/18256153/review/31347207/avatar
 
RubxQub said:
Anyone who is ho-hum about this movie's release is dull as hell.

It's only one of the biggest budget movies to ever be released by one of the greatest and most proven directors of our time.

...nope...nothing to see here. No expectations to have with this one...

Normal praising of a movie != being ho-hum.
 
Dabanton said:
I've been going back through the old threads and the amount of people who were actively hoping that the film would flop is strangely disturbing.

Part of the reason why TF2 passing $400 million was such a hoot,the pure vitriol that was directed at that movie was hilarious as well.
I didn't hurl any vitriol at transformers 2 until I actually saw it.
 
Neverfade said:
Normal praising of a movie != being ho-hum.
I guess I just don't see what's weird about people being overly excited for this movie. I am.

...I mean Ebert said it felt like seeing Star Wars in '77! FUCK if that doesn't elicit some kind of reaction from someone.

To each his own, but there is an overwhelming amount of things to be excited about for this release.
 
RubxQub said:
Anyone who is ho-hum about this movie's release is dull as hell.

It's only one of the biggest budget movies to ever be released by one of the greatest and most proven directors of our time.

...nope...nothing to see here. No expectations to have with this one...
Because the story and alien designs looks like tripe? Not saying this movie will suck, but it hasn't really given any indication that it'll have anything going for it except for the phenomenal visuals.
 
silverbullet1080 said:
Because the story and alien designs looks like tripe? Not saying this movie will suck, but it hasn't really given any indication that it'll have anything going for it except for the phenomenal visuals.
How about the 90%+ on RT?
Or Ebert saying it felt like seeing Star Wars for the first time?
Or that Cameron's track record is essentially flawless?

...your reasoning right now sounds like you've completely disregarded the movie because the story (that you don't know everything about) sounds dull and the alien design (that shouldn't matter) is lame.

Everything is unquestionably pointing to "yes, this will be awesome".

Look, I get it. Funny blue people...but get past it already :lol
 
silverbullet1080 said:
Because the story and alien designs looks like tripe? Not saying this movie will suck, but it hasn't really given any indication that it'll have anything going for it except for the phenomenal visuals.

QFT.

If the creature and environment designs are what passes for imaginative nowadays I despair for cinema.

(They are and I do.)
 
RubxQub said:
How about the 90%+ on RT?
Or Ebert saying it felt like seeing Star Wars for the first time?
Or that Cameron's track record is essentially flawless?

...your reasoning right now sounds like you've completely disregarded the movie because the story (that you don't know everything about) sounds dull and the alien design (that shouldn't matter) is lame.

Everything is unquestionably pointing to "yes, this will be awesome".

Look, I get it. Funny blue people...but get past it already :lol
And T3 has a 70% on RT, not to mention every review talks about this being more of a technical achievement versus... anything else. My reasoning is this movie is just style over substance. So far everything has indicated this movie has a derivative story and a laughable art design, but at the same time is an outstanding visual masterpiece. The people who are ho-hum about this movie are the ones that expected a passable art design and notable story to go along with the visuals.
 
silverbullet1080 said:
And T3 has a 70% on RT, not to mention every review talks about this being more of a technical achievement versus... anything else. My reasoning is this movie is just style over substance. So far everything has indicated this movie has a derivative story and a laughable art design, but at the same time is an outstanding visual masterpiece. The people who are ho-hum about this movie are the ones that expected a passable art design and notable story to go along with the visuals.
What does Terminator 3 have to do with anything?
 
Dax01 said:
What does Terminator 3 have to do with anything?
Using it as a dimwitted, strawman way to discredit Rotten Tomatoes to attempt to further his point.

A movie doesn't get into the 80s or 90s on the rotten scale without being something special.
 
RubxQub said:
I guess I just don't see what's weird about people being overly excited for this movie. I am.

...I mean Ebert said it felt like seeing Star Wars in '77! FUCK if that doesn't elicit some kind of reaction from someone.

To each his own, but there is an overwhelming amount of things to be excited about for this release.

To be honest, Cameron is one of my favorite directors and he made some of the best films of all time, but I can't be assed to care about this. Don't ask me why, but the entire thing just seem bland to me. Again, this is my honest opinion.
 
Neverfade said:
As I said in my previous post, There's praising a movie, and there's taughting it as the second coming of christ.. Seems to me a few of you are on the defensive.

I'm not the only one to point this out. I believe duckroll mentioned the same thing a page or two ago. No one really argues with the mod though, huh?

Seriously though, chill out. I haven't said anything negative about the movie. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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Have you not realized how good the reviews have been? Maybe people are just really hyped to see this movie? Is that so bad?
 
mckmas8808 said:
Have you not realized how good the reviews have been? Maybe people are just really hyped to see this movie? Is that so bad?

I want to see it too. Please stop arguing with me now, zealot.

Edited, for accuracy.
 
Neverfade said:
I want to see it too. Please stop quoting me now, shill.

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silverbullet1080 said:
And T3 has a 70% on RT, not to mention every review talks about this being more of a technical achievement versus... anything else. My reasoning is this movie is just style over substance. So far everything has indicated this movie has a derivative story and a laughable art design, but at the same time is an outstanding visual masterpiece. The people who are ho-hum about this movie are the ones that expected a passable art design and notable story to go along with the visuals.

Well, a lot of the reviews have said that although the story is really typical, it's pretty well-told and well-acted.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Have you not realized how good the reviews have been? Maybe people are just really hyped to see this movie? Is that so bad?
No one is questioning that, but some people don't give two shits if it's a technical marvel. Maybe some people want a good story and good design, is that so bad?
 
silverbullet1080 said:
No one is questioning that, but some people don't give two shits if it's a technical marvel. Maybe some people want a good story and good design, is that so bad?
Bad no, stupid yes.

If you're coming to a Cameron film expecting great writing you're wasting your time.
 
I guess I don't know how this whole nonsense started.

If you're hyped...awesome.
If you're not hyped...awesome.

Let's just agree that the non-hyped people are lame and wrong and move on? :lol
 
Plus, as Ebert might put it: it's not what a film is about but how it is about it. The story itself is really derivative, but that doesn't mean that it can't be well-done within its formulaic framework (which, by all accounts, it seems to be).
 
silverbullet1080 said:
My reasoning is this movie is just style over substance. So far everything has indicated this movie has a derivative story and a laughable art design, but at the same time is an outstanding visual masterpiece. The people who are ho-hum about this movie are the ones that expected a passable art design and notable story to go along with the visuals.

Style over substance? What kind of stupid reasoning is that? This is a fucking movie. If it's an "outstanding visual masterpiece", then it's an outstanding film.

To put it simply, style IS substance here.
 
stuburns said:
Bad no, stupid yes.

If you're coming to a Cameron film expecting great writing you're wasting your time.
Great dialog, perhaps. His recent record is weaker than his longer one. Great storytelling is one of Cameron's strengths, and is why his films are so successful and well regarded. And while the arc of this story is familiar, it's being praised as being superbly executed - including much of the character work.
 
RubxQub said:
Let's just agree that the non-hyped people are lame and wrong and move on? :lol
Not really. It's like I said, people that aren't hyped probably don't want to spend $12-$20 to see a visual spectacle with a lame story and design, people that do want to see James Cameron's outstanding visual orgasm.
 
silverbullet1080 said:
No one is questioning that, but some people don't give two shits if it's a technical marvel. Maybe some people want a good story and good design, is that so bad?

Why do you believe the story and design will be bad?
 
silverbullet1080 said:
Not really. It's like I said, people that aren't hyped probably don't want to spend $12-$20 to see a visual spectacle with a lame story and design, people that do want to see James Cameron's outstanding visual orgasm.
I'm just kidding, dude. No worries.

I'm cool with everyone having their own opinions and expectations, I just feel like the conductor on the hype train right now that I don't want to be bothered with all these naysayers. :lol
 
RubxQub said:
I'm just kidding, dude. No worries.

I'm cool with everyone having their own opinions and expectations, I just feel like the conductor on the hype train right now that I don't want to be bothered with all these naysayers. :lol
For a movie like this, it seems less about naysayers and more about... mehsayers. I think everyone agrees that at least the visuals will be outstanding, but the story and design dull the excitement for some.
mckmas8808 said:
Why do you believe the story and design will be bad?
Because the design of the aliens and mechs look like total ass? And while it's well told, it seems like most reviews seem to agree that the story isn't anything fresh.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Why do you believe the story and design will be bad?

Well, the Na'Vi designs are out there, and since they are the central focus of the film, the 'art design' is mainly them. Myself, I think that the world itself appears to be exceedingly well-designed, so I'm willing to forgive a somewhat unconvincing character design.
 
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