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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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border said:
Scientists believe that we are all made of electrons and protons bound together by some type of energy. I think the belief that we are all made of electrons is pretty commonly misconstrued by hippie types to mean that we are all spiritually connected in some meaningful fashion......which is pretty corny.

Yes, it can come off as a bit corny. But inriquing nonetheless and I am not the wiser to accept or dispute that since we have no idea what this "energy" consists of physically or spiritually (aka the mind/concious). Not to be confused with religion.
 
Jeff Cannata was one of the major Avatar skeptics and pretty much said he's never seen anything more amazing. Cameron's straight proselytizing.
 
Kimosabae said:
Who's to say it isn't meaningful? The truth of the matter is, the world/universe is a connected network of life - it's a scientific fact, in every area of science. What subjective meanings are derived from that fact is up to each and every beholder. Lay off the hippies.

I guess I just don't like seeing scientific cold facts turned into bizarre mysticism. Yes, everything is made of the same building blocks.....I'm not sure why that is incredibly so special. Nobody ever implies that say, everything made of wood is magically or significantly connected. "Wow, the energy of my kitchen table totally flows through your skateboard".
 
Amir0x said:
Armond's reviews are always hilarious. But man that one scene he mentioned DOES sound awful

Pretty sure that scene was included in the 15 minutue footage on Avatar day which I saw and I did not think it was awful. It was different, but not awful.
 
Kimosabae said:
Yes, because non-conformists only worship non-conformity in-itself and have no higher purpose but to spite sheep and shepherd alike.
Well, Mr. White (who I was talking about) certainly seems to have fun pissing people of with that. ;D
 
levious said:
It's not that different to riding a horse really. Imagine not knowing about riding a horse, and someone said "climb over the back of the creature, legs spread, crotch on it's upper back, and smack it's arse to go forward". You'd think it was fucked up.
 
stuburns said:
It's not that different to riding a horse really. Imagine not knowing about riding a horse, and someone said "climb over the back of the creature, legs spread, crotch on it's upper back, and smack it's arse to go forward". You'd think it was fucked up.


as long as there's no insertion into an orifice, I'd be fine... watching the scene now, thanks Cassidy.


Wait, not as bad as the description! Silly, but not near-perverted like I feared.
 
border said:
I guess I just don't like seeing scientific cold facts turned into bizarre mysticism. Yes, everything is made of the same building blocks.....I'm not sure why that is incredibly so special. Nobody ever implies that say, everything made of wood is magically or significantly connected. "Wow, the energy of my kitchen table totally flows through your skateboard".

Again... any given scientific fact is only "cold" relative to the observer. It may seem silly to you, but that's only because you've failed to interpret an observation in a fashion that gives your life meaning. Tell a Philosopher the process of dialectic isn't special. Tell a Social Scientist or Psychologist that the Self Fulfilling Prophecy is only "common sense". Tell a Physicist F = MA isn't an equation to live by.

There's nothing "mystical" about these things, because the interpretations are grounded in empirical observation. It's not voodoo. You'd look much more tolerant (not to mention educated) if you'd simply admit "I don't get it", instead of trying to condemn the characters of these indistinct "hippies". They don't deserve it.
 
joey_z said:

Just because it's a technological breakthrough, the high budget and risks for producing this sort of movie. Plus James Cameron usually doesn't disappoint, but I shouldn't start blabbering until I watched it myself I guess.
 
KAL2006 said:
Just because it's a technological breakthrough, the high budget and risks for producing this sort of movie. Plus James Cameron usually doesn't disappoint, but I shouldn't start blabbering until I watched it myself I guess.

Yeah but what do you get out of Avatar hitting 90% on Rotten Tomatoes?
Edit: I think this question should be posed to almost everyone in this thread actually.
 
It'll hover around 85-90% but fuck that. What matters is that this movies needs to make money. If there is demand shown for this kind of tech and film making then we're guaranteed to have more awesome 3D.

Spread the word if you like what you see on opening day. I already convinced my family and friends to go watch this just for the 3D and special effects alone. Also, it's fucking Cameron...common now.
 
joey_z said:
Yeah but what do you get out of Avatar hitting 90% on Rotten Tomatoes?
Edit: I think this question should be posed to almost everyone in this thread actually.

He is probably like me and just wants to see something he likes do well. Same reasons fans root for their favorite sport team to win games and win championships.
 
Amir0x said:
hahahahahHAHAHAHHAHAHA

ok i am not going to watch any more clips. jesus christ


well it wasn't as bad as I feared, but I'm sure it will "inspire" some people...
 
Kimosabae said:
Maybe sub 70% is pushing, but there's going to WAY more reviews after the weekend. For a movie this big, there will eventually be over 200 reviews. Maybe mid-high 70s. From what I can tell, few people actually "hate" the movie. The split seems to be between those that can appreciate the technical fidelity on display over the plot, and those that can't.

There isn't much of a split. The movie has gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews. The ones who can't get over the plot number a very distinct minority. Every review that I've read, positive or negative, mentions the lack of originality in the plot, but most also say that's irrelevant given the quality of the execution. Some even say the simplicity and predictabilty of the plot are in this case a positive, as too much complexity could have muddled things, especially given how much is already going on purely in terms of visuals. If it's trying to tell a story of huge scope and universal appeal, then simplicity is key.

I'm not sure how you think the % will actually get that low, if you've read the reviews. Star Trek, it should be pointed out, sits at 95%.
 
Amir0x said:
hahahahahHAHAHAHHAHAHA

ok i am not going to watch any more clips. jesus christ

Some of the narrative there was odd but other than that it was amazing. What did you find funny about it?
 
Memphis Reigns said:
He is probably like me and just wants to see something he likes do well. Same reasons fans root for their favorite sport team to win games and win championships.

Hitting 90% on RT is not an indicator of how much money the film will make, which is far more important. What's the budget on this thing? I know it's astronomical What kind of money does it need to make just to break even?

GhaleonEB said:
Guess I'm alone in thinking that scene was pretty well done.

I thought it was well done for what it is, and seeing it out of context doesn't help it any. I'm sure it'll fit in fine in the film itself. I've seen far worse, that's for sure.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Some of the narrative there was odd but other than that it was amazing. What did you find funny about it?

i don't know the whole awkward tribal speak screeching as this ugly blue alien tried repeatedly to tackle the beast, only to connect his tail to it like it's some fucking electrical outlet.

The dialogue was bad, but the absurdity of the scene is worse. I don't actually think I will be able to suspend by disbelief for this shit it's so. fucking.... ugh. Cameron's had this shit sitting in his head for fifteen years. Fifteen years, christ.

Let me be quiet until I see this thing.
 
Zeliard said:
There isn't much of a split. The movie has gotten overwhelmingly positive reviews. The ones who can't get over the plot number a very distinct minority. Every review that I've read, positive or negative, mentions the lack of originality in the plot, but most also say that's irrelevant given the quality of the execution. Some even say the simplicity and predictabilty of the plot are in this case a positive, as too much complexity could have muddled things, especially given how much is already going on purely in terms of visuals. If it's trying to tell a story of huge scope and universal appeal, then simplicity is key.

I'm not sure how you think the % will actually get that low, if you've read the reviews. Star Trek, it should be pointed out, sits at 95%.


That's pretty much what I said. There was no implication of the "split" being even. Only difference is that you feel the percentage will skew higher or stay steady throughout the weekend, while I think the percentage will skew lower. Looking at the Meter over the past few years, my subjective experience has showed me that if the percentage trends downward before the weekend, it takes a plunge during and afterward. My guess is that this occurs due to an influx of reviewers not invited to exclusive pre-release screening parties getting their reviews up late. I don't pay close attention to the movie critic side of the industry, though.

*shrug*
 
Considering the budget, I'll be shocked if this thing breaks even. Unless there is a massive ship with Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio involved I doubt we'll be seeing a profit either
 
GhaleonEB said:
Guess I'm alone in thinking that scene was pretty well done.
No you're not alone, I enjoyed it too, especially in 3D on avatar day. I have no idea what would warrant the hahahahahaha reaction in it.
 
Finally got a hold of my local imax. I knew they weren't showing Avatar this month, but as of right now there are no plans at all for the future.

In the past 2 months they started showing 3D films released earlier this year in addition to educational ones that have been dominating the theater for years.

They are seemingly transitioning into kid friendly films first.

Their website name is dumb. www.tennis.org
 
Kimosabae said:
That's pretty much what I said. Only difference is that you feel things will skew higher or stay steady throughout the weekend, while I think the percentage will skew lower. Looking at the Meter over the past few years, my subjective experience has showed me that if the percentage trends downward before the weekend, it takes a plunge during and afterward. My guess is that this occurs due to an influx of reviewers not invited to exclusive pre-release screening parties getting their reviews up late. I don't pay close attention to the movie critic side of the industry, though.

*shrug*

I thought you meant more of a tangible split in the overall reviews. The main point of contention is absolutely the plot, I agree. With all the negative reviews I've seen, that's been the major sticking point.

It seems like so far, though, most are able to get past the notion that the plot is essentially Dances With Wolves or any number of "outsiders invade aboriginals" stories. Someone dislike or are ambivalent towards the storyline but give the movie a positive review overall due to the execution, and some can't get past the storyline at all. However, thus far, the former outnumer the latter by a large margin. It remains to be seen, but I definitely think that'll hold.

Rotten Tomatoes could essentially write their Avatar consensus right now, and it would have something to do with the revolutionary special effects, the unoriginal-yet-moving story and something about how James Cameron has made his triumphant return. And I doubt that would change after 200 reviews.
 
Amir0x said:
i don't know the whole awkward tribal speak screeching as this ugly blue alien tried repeatedly to tackle the beast, only to connect his tail to it like it's some fucking electrical outlet.

The dialogue was bad, but the absurdity of the scene is worse. I don't actually think I will be able to suspend by disbelief for this shit it's so. fucking.... ugh. Cameron's had this shit sitting in his head for fifteen years. Fifteen years, christ.

Let me be quiet until I see this thing.
Someone needs to borrow jett's tag for a while...
 
The only good movies are ones that portray voyages of self-discovery and those that concern a person dealing with some emotional situation! These are extremely original!

Genre movies can suck it! They're terrible by default I don't know why they even try to make them these days. Haven't we moved beyond this?
 
polyh3dron said:
No you're not alone, I enjoyed it too, especially in 3D on avatar day. I have no idea what would warrant the hahahahahaha reaction in it.


it wasn't as bad as I feared, but I guess part of the silliness to me was it's basically breaking a horse, but it's made "okay" because there's some mystical bond being established. No biggie though.

I'm not getting what was so outlandish to Ami though...
 
Big-E said:
Damn, never saw that scene before and feel that it is awful. Big thing wrong with it is something that was mentioned in the 70 minute Phantom Menace review in that there is a lot of clutter on screen in those 3 minutes. Tons of shit is happening in the background all the time which causes you to lose focus.

Don't worry, *spoiler on the rest of the scene*
The scene quickly focus' on Jake and the Banshee when they both go falling down the cliff as Jake struggles to fly it. It looks spectacular on the big screen. I would even predict that this will be a lot of people's favorite scene in the movie. The sense of depth is just amazing.
 
levious said:
it wasn't as bad as I feared, but I guess part of the silliness to me was it's basically breaking a horse, but it's made "okay" because there's some mystical bond being established. No biggie though.

I'm not getting what was so outlandish to Ami though...

Is the bond even all that mystical? We actually see them make a physical connection. Not really mystical at all as far as I can tell. Definitely on the odd side though, but not as bad as the review would lead you to believe.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Is the bond even all that mystical? We actually see them make a physical connection. Not really mystical at all as far as I can tell. Definitely on the odd side though, but not as bad as the review would lead you to believe.


oh ok, probably not the right word for what I was thinking.
 
Watching the shit on youtube definitely doesn't do it justice imo. You gotta see it on a big ass screen in 3D with kick ass sound. It's an awesome experience.
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
that scene was was awesome during avatar day

It was. I don't know what Ami thought was laughable about it. It's like every time a scene from AVATAR is shown out of context people come up with some shitty excuse to hate on it. Cameron has proven time and time again that he has explanations for fucking everything. I'm sure this scene will fit perfectly into the context of the movie.

Jake is a paraplegic. Haters respond with: :lol :lol :lol they have the technology to let him control and avatar but can't fix his spine. Soooooooooooooo fuckin stupid. Cameron has lost it confirmed.
Turns out Jakes working to the his legs back.(confirmed from the theatrical trailer)

Floating mountains is shown. Haters respond with: :lol :lol :lol How the hell can mountains float? I get that they're on an alien planet but shit has got to be grounded in reality Cameron. Jesus fuck that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Turns out the unobtanium has very power magnetic qualitys to them as well as the magnetic field that they are by. (alson cofirmed from the theatrical trailer)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the movie is so close I can almost taste it. Mostly importantly, I'm ready for the stupid Delgo comparisons and stupid ass comments about "plot holes" that don't exist because people pointing them out haven't seen the movie yet, to stop.
 
Armond White said:
Cameron fashionably denounces the same economic and military system that make his technological extravaganza possible. It’s like condemning NASA—yet joyriding on the Mars Exploration Rover.
A little reductio ad absurdum would show what an idiot this guy is.
 
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