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Gary Whitta
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It is indeed! Thanksborder said:
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border said:
Those aren't really plotholes. just unexplained. plotholes are actual inconsistencies with the plot. not things that are left unexplained... and quite frankly, not everything has to be explained.
Well, as I thought was perfectly made clear in the movieborder said:
Selfridge and Quaritch have no morals or ethics. Genocide clearly didn't mean anything to them and they brushed it off easily (in Quaritch's case, and he seemed to be eager for the opportunity really) or balked in the face of greed and appeasing the shareholders (Selfridge). Cheap was probably the wrong word. They're just consumed by greed. Also, they clearly were mining small amounts from different areas, it's just what was under the hometree was probably worth so much more. Is it unrealistic for them to be so evil? Perhaps, but at least in Cameron's vision of humanity in the future, that seems to be what humanity has become.
MisterAnderson
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DY_nasty said:
God, you're still talking about this? Have you ever fired a gun before? I dare you to try shooting an automatic weapon with any reasonable accuracy by pulling the trigger with a stick. Then try that while flying 100 mph on the back of an alien dragon.
Even if they got their hands on some weapons, and were able to fire them effectively, it's not like they can reload. Unless of course they also steal a bunch of ammo from an armory.
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polyh3dron said:
Sexy. after this movie.. i'll definitely be looking into one of those.
by the way. this movie was just fucken awesome. i really really loved it.. and i was even a bit skeptical going in.
WretchedTruman
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Got back from it a few hours ago. Wrote up a review; gonna go see it again tomorrow to see how it holds up in 2D.
Just gotta say, a lot of this "criticism" can be rebutted with "it's a fuckin' movie, dood."
Just gotta say, a lot of this "criticism" can be rebutted with "it's a fuckin' movie, dood."
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WretchedTruman said:
why?
see it in RealD 3D.. and then IMAX 3D, or vise versa. That is what I am doing!
I might be gushing a little because I'm still buzzing off this movie, but what Cameron did was amazing. It sounds stupid typing it .. but the fucker made magic on that screen. He made me care about CGI characters. Not that bullshit furry love story he tried to wedge in at the end, but the palpable tension and fear of the main character dying or being in peril at certain points in the movie. It had my pulse going and completely buying into what I was watching was like an intense action movie from the 80's or 90's.
To me that's amazing. When I watch CGI, its often from the perspective of an amused observer. Watching a street magician perform parlor tricks, but never really making you believe in the magic. But this crazy son of a bitch pulled it off.
Don't get me wrong, there are 6 "groan worthy" moments in this film. But they are just that .. moments. They don't take you out of the movie and they don't lessen the overall experience. Personally, I think this movie is going to be lame as a rental. Without the effect of 3D, I doubt the world (and the Na'vi) really feel alive at all. It really sells the experience.
To me that's amazing. When I watch CGI, its often from the perspective of an amused observer. Watching a street magician perform parlor tricks, but never really making you believe in the magic. But this crazy son of a bitch pulled it off.
Don't get me wrong, there are 6 "groan worthy" moments in this film. But they are just that .. moments. They don't take you out of the movie and they don't lessen the overall experience. Personally, I think this movie is going to be lame as a rental. Without the effect of 3D, I doubt the world (and the Na'vi) really feel alive at all. It really sells the experience.
WretchedTruman
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Saw it in IMAX 3D, but my friend just isn't into the 3D phenomenon quite yet, and I've yet to convince her, so...eh.quadriplegicjon said:why?
see it in RealD 3D.. and then IMAX 3D, or vise versa. That is what I am doing!
Broadbandito
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This movie has been eating at my since I left the theatre. I need to return to pandora as quickly as possibly. real3d or whatever ftmotherfuckingwin!
polyh3dron
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From what I've read, the 3D Avatar BD will be backwards compatible with regular BD players/screens. There will probably be only one Avatar BD for both 3D and 2D and I don't see them charging extra for it TBH.StoOgE said:
lolololololololmac said:
Broadbandito
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mac said:
..joke post?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The only line that I groaned at was
Other than that, I was pretty much fine with the script. Like I said: it's no Shakespeare, but it's effective enough for me.
I agree with Solo; Cameron directed the shit out of this movie.
"You have a strong heart... no fear."
I agree with Solo; Cameron directed the shit out of this movie.
Okay, quick question. What are with these theaters and not letting you keep the glasses? You charge me an extra 3$ just for 3D. Then say I have to give them back? Aren't they getting them from the studios for free too or something? And even so...why not give me my 3$ back if I give you your glasses back.
UnholySpectacle
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God damn do I hate Cameron for calling Kate Winslet "fat" but he sure can make some strong female characters you care about. Just got back from a Real D showing and about an hour in my jaw hung open and did not close till the finish.
Even though i didn't think that the 3D effect was revolutionary in it's use, i'm going to agree with you there for those of us who see it in 3D first. It sets the precedent. i saw bits of it in 2D just to see the difference, but i have no interest in watching the entire film that way.ToxicAdam said:
i didn't even realize how much 3D made a difference until i popped in Star Trek on DVD this afternoon and thought "this looks so boring", in terms of the lack of depth.
The Real 3D theater I went to tonight gave out new glasses sealed in plastic bags. We could keep them if we wanted, or drop them in a recycle box outside the theater exit. Since they will charge extra whether I bring back the glasses or not, I just tossed them in the box.shintoki said:
I assume the surcharge is to pay for the (very expensive) new projection equipment, though I suspect the new prices will become a permanent feature of 3D.
Combine said:Can you list those? I want to see if I groaned too.
Those were some great impressions though. I could definitely see the sequels being moved up to quick production if the film does that to a lot of people and makes the money.
This is just me, but:
A few times when they wedged in the environmentalist preaching in the movie. A few pieces of dialog from the villain and both of the "tender scenes" with Jake and the female Na'vi. Just didn't feel right to me, but Cameron did a good job not lingering with them
I also didn't care for the ending. It seemed like at some point Cameron pushes a button and "generic action ending #122" is rolled out. Even that last battle with the villain seemed so cliche. I had had my fill at that point and was ready to go home.
That's the one place where CGI-heavy movies still fail. They allow directors to show massive, epic battles (like LOTR), but they never really feel epic or real. It's just a mess of chaos interspersed with closeups of the heroes doing outrageous things.
shintoki said:
Oh, to live in a world so devoid of something legitimate to complain about.
ToxicAdam said:
That's interesting. Going to spoiler my opinion because it might be spoilerish
I usually feel a bit underwhelmed by those CGI heavy sequences because they always go into videogame territory where it's the heroes just chopping meat for 15 minutes with no real danger or sense of a realistic engagement. I thought Avatar was much better in that regard because there was genuine danger to the heroe's party if not to the hero. "Real" people were dying during that sequence and it felt more realistic in terms of how many people the fighters were taking out before going down. Nobody (even Jake) was a one man army there.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I loved the final battle because Cameron shot it so well. He had a perfect concept of space and scale. There was no shaky-cam bullshit or quick editing; he allowed us to see what was happening and framed it in an interesting way.
I was actually surprised by the mechs and helicopters. They looked really fake in some of the promos and trailers, but they look very good in the final film.
I was actually surprised by the mechs and helicopters. They looked really fake in some of the promos and trailers, but they look very good in the final film.
Ah,ToxicAdam said:
yeah, I actually kind of ignored most of the implied "messages" of the film, I was too engrossed in the experience to really think of it honestly. The jujubee line from Quaritch was the main thing I rolled my eyes at. I actually didn't mind the "sex" scene, and I thought it was better than the one in Titanic :lol
I would have really been interested in learning more about
Grace's school and what happened to close it down. Probably nothing good since they also shunned Grace until Jake convinced them to let her come back. But it sure seems like she did a lot in terms of teaching the Na'vi english.
Definitely, and I think what really helped was howSnowman Prophet of Doom said:
the viewer had already been given a visual description of the battlefield earlier in the film when flying around the Tree of Souls.
Stance after seeing trailers: ugly character design to likely harm my experience.
Stace after reading neogaf reviews: that the environment will be a great experience but that the story wont impress me.
Review:
Rating:
Stace after reading neogaf reviews: that the environment will be a great experience but that the story wont impress me.
Review:
- 3D: Overall a great job that can be improved as he does more and more 3D films. I think films made specifically for 3D that also happen to look great in 2D will have a future.
- CG: The world looked amazing. The motion capture was good. For the most part it looked realistic. It can only get better in the future.
- Music: Didn't notice any major issues but I didn't pay much attention during this watch.
- Rewatch: Yes. I want to see it in 3D a few more times. It'll be my last chance I suppose until my inevitable future HDTV can support it down the road in however many years.
- Story: I thought it was epic. I eat things like this up.
Gaining skills and doing something impressive to be the awed upon leader. Getting the mount was awesome.
- Action: Paced very well and awesome.
- Character Development: I think the Pandora and Sully had great development. Which in return made me like the design of everything. I instantly loved all the creatures. The colors of the world were beautiful. I likes how the Na'Vi interacted with the world and creatures.
- Avatar Sequel: I welcome it and will go day 1.
- Battle Angel & hopefully other Anime using JC's tech: This is what I await. Anime is so epic and needs to be put on film in the right way. Some many awesome things in Anime would benefit from realistic CG mixed with live action.
Rating:
10/10
Just remembered. Was sad that they didn't use the piece of music that is sampled here: http://www.avatarscore.com/
Its not on the OST and was nowhere in the film
Its not on the OST and was nowhere in the film
SPACECADET
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
yea definitely. the parts where
they would be in the jungle and in the background while everyone was running away would be these huge explosions that shook the trees and had debris and dust exploding were really insane.
SCULLIBUNDO
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So should we wait till the film's theatrical run is over and we have a final box office tally before we go back through threads and find those who pre-ordered their servings of crow?
I'm actually just really glad most liked it. I don't think there's any movie talk more exciting than the constant buzzing back on forth of people who can't stop reminiscing about a shared geeky experience. In fact there is a scene in the movie that is reminiscent of that in itself
I'm actually just really glad most liked it. I don't think there's any movie talk more exciting than the constant buzzing back on forth of people who can't stop reminiscing about a shared geeky experience. In fact there is a scene in the movie that is reminiscent of that in itself
After Jake's first flight where you see him and Neytiri together by the cliffside and she's saying 'I came down like this and you were -' 'Oh yeah I banked right so hard' or something like that.
The only really awkward moment I thought the movie had was when Quaritch mentioned how they had to make a "preemptive strike" for their own safety. The audience groaned a bit. I did too. But Cameron follows that up a few moments later with someone saying Quaritch was aiming for a "shock and awe" campaign, which cemented it even further. More groans, some laughter, in the theater. He couldn't leave good enough alone.
I was disappointed because Cameron had made clear in interviews (as the film was) that the behavior on display was more about the history of human nature, which while applicable to recent events was not limited to them. Linking the analogy so tightly to the Iraq war was unfortunate because some of that universality was lost, and it will date the movie a touch as it ages.
The "you have a strong heart" moment was awkward at first, but I think that was intentional. Jake was taken aback, and that moment was broken a few seconds later when Neytiri calls him stupid.
I was disappointed because Cameron had made clear in interviews (as the film was) that the behavior on display was more about the history of human nature, which while applicable to recent events was not limited to them. Linking the analogy so tightly to the Iraq war was unfortunate because some of that universality was lost, and it will date the movie a touch as it ages.
The "you have a strong heart" moment was awkward at first, but I think that was intentional. Jake was taken aback, and that moment was broken a few seconds later when Neytiri calls him stupid.
One of my favorite vignettes in the movie; it fleshed out their bonding as including more than just these big rituals and trials. They were simply talking about a shared experience and becoming friends.Scullibundo said:
SCULLIBUNDO
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GhaleonEB said:
I felt it was a lot more akin to the Vietnam war campaign of shock and awe.
Maybe that's how it will be seen over time; perhaps that's even how Cameron meant it. But that's not how it came across to me because of the most recent use of the term. And at any rate, I didn't like the analogy to being specific to any particular conflict; it was a line that brought out a specific reaction in the audience, and for me at least broke the spell the move had cast.Scullibundo said:
For just that moment. It's a very small nitpick in an overwhelming incredible movie.
jordan0386
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Pretty damn good.
monchi-kun
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Has Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity chimed in yet on Avatar?
"Hollywood once again sides with the tree huggers...and this movie disrespects our troops!"
:lol
"Hollywood once again sides with the tree huggers...and this movie disrespects our troops!"
:lol
TransTrender
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I saw it in IMAX 3D earlier tonight.
After watching trailers: Wasn't too excited about the movie. Thought the CG was a little weak and washed out. Had a feeling the story and dialogue would be somewhat hamfisted.
After the movie: Completely blown away. The CG was fantastic. I can't think of a single scene with CG that wasn't realistic. 3D was fantastic. Sound was fantastic. There were some super cheese, groan worthy parts, but the rest of it was good enough to cover it up. That's basically the first time that's ever happened for me. Story was pretty good (but had some cheese moments). Action was amazing. Overall it was way, way, way better than I thought it would be. I'm surprised by how much I really enjoyed this film.
After watching trailers: Wasn't too excited about the movie. Thought the CG was a little weak and washed out. Had a feeling the story and dialogue would be somewhat hamfisted.
After the movie: Completely blown away. The CG was fantastic. I can't think of a single scene with CG that wasn't realistic. 3D was fantastic. Sound was fantastic. There were some super cheese, groan worthy parts, but the rest of it was good enough to cover it up. That's basically the first time that's ever happened for me. Story was pretty good (but had some cheese moments). Action was amazing. Overall it was way, way, way better than I thought it would be. I'm surprised by how much I really enjoyed this film.
SCULLIBUNDO
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A lot. It would have been at LEAST 3 and a half hours full run time if it had gone by the original scriptment. Also, it really would have cost $500 million. I just have the feeling that Laeta Kalogridis who co-wrote the adaptation of the original treatment may have pushed for a much more stream-lined version of the story and characters. Characters, animals etc were even cut out from the original treatment.
MisterAnderson
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Scullibundo said:
Any noteworthy plot changes or major scenes that would have been even more mindblowing than what ended up in the film that might have been cut due to budget?
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I enjoyed Zoe Saldanas performance. I felt it was what made the movie that more interesting. Sam Worthington's performance was no slouch either. But Zoey was the reason I watched it a couple more times.
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