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FirewalkR said:
Play the game (on a PC). I've been getting my Pandora fix from it (because I'm only gonna watch the movie for the second time tomorrow :D). While the gameplay is no big deal, the world is beautiful.

On another note, I'm SO GLAD I didn't play the game until after seeing the movie because, despite Cameron having said it was pretty safe because they had different stories, what happens at the end of the movie is spoiled 1 or 2 hours into the game, AND the story has lots of parallels with the one in the movie.
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I don't get it, is the game a sequel of sorts then?

Now that we're on topic, is there any place to read the plot of the games? I don't want to play them. :P
 
Rentahamster said:
Yeah, just do the same thing from a higher altitude and get the mountains out of the way. Or, just not engage the enemy in an area where one has the tactical disadvantage. Although plot-wise it is a nice way to highlight the antagonist's hubris or the protagonist's cleverness (300, Last Samurai, etc).


Step 1: Get one of their space-capable craft.

Step 2: Put bombs on it.
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They don't have bombs. They had to jury-rig their low altitude clusterbombs that they did have. If they pushed them out too high, they almost certainly would not hit their target so they couldn't go over the mountains or drop them from fucking outer space (?). Bombs don't fall straight especially not ones that are just big bricks of explosive material. The wind would push them far off target without guidance or a short distance to fall.

Look maybe you should stop writing an alternate reality version of Avatar, where they just Matrix up some shit that they don't have, and just go with what's on the screen, yeah?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe you were talking about a kamikaze style suicide run. Yes, I guess that would have worked. It would have failed stupendously when the Na'vi attacked it, of course, but that definitely was an option that they had.


Rentahamster said:
Or, just not engage the enemy in an area where one has the tactical disadvantage.
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The Na'vi could have not attacked them except for guerilla style raids on their mining ops. Which is what they would have done in that situation where the RDA doesn't attack them head on. What then?
 
Koodo said:
I don't get it, is the game a sequel of sorts then?

Now that we're on topic, is there any place to read the plot of the games? I don't want to play them. :P
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the console game is an alternate telling of the story with you, Able Ryder, in place of Jake and a different Na'vi tribe. In other words it's non-canon.
 
Giolon said:
the console game is an alternate telling of the story with you, Able Ryder, in place of Jake and a different Na'vi tribe. In other words it's non-canon.
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You're kidding right?! :lol

It's too bad the game has gotten such mediocre reviews, because as I was watching the movie I kept thinking how some parts (platforming and free running as a Navi, and combat in one of those mech suits) would make for a great video game.
 
DrForester said:
Why do people want a sequel? The story was very well self contained and I'm perfectly happy to not have a sequel.
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I had heard about the 3 picture idea way before the name "Avatar" came out. At the time it was called project 800?

I think it will work. On the down side, Cameron is getting older. On the other hand, I think this is the first time he has so much control over an IP. This is his baby. He will take care of it. Frankly I want some new sci-fi universe I can geek out over. Star war is so last decade.
 
Hmm, I'm kind of curious. For those who were simply unconvinced by the Jake/Neytiri romance. I wanted to ask something. First, was it more, or less believable than the romance in Titanic (as both a scenario and being convincing)? And also, was the romance not convincing because of the whole situation (human falling for alien), or was it because not enough time was spent on it?

If it's the latter then I agree, I'd have loved to see more emphasis and scenes put into the developing relationship. I was convinced by it though in terms of the time they spent together. They spent every day for three whole months training, so time-wise it's believable, certainly far more believable than the "love at first sight" in Titanic IMO.

Also, I think some mentioned they thought the relationship didn't work because of the dialog. While there was little dialog between them, I was more convinced because of the body reactions that were being displayed and emotions in the faces as time went on.
 
Neuromancer said:
^Personally I was OK with it, but I hear at some screenings during the
Navi lovemaking
scene , the audience was laughing.
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I think that's more an awkward giggle more than a mocking laugh though. It is a strange scene. Because it's just two people, there's nothing alien about it. It's probably the worst scene in the film, they make such effort to make them have an alien quality to all their movements, then you just see two blue people about to shag.
 
Giolon said:
I wish I were kidding.

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar:_The_Game
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Oh my god......:lol
stuburns said:
I think that's more an awkward giggle more than a mocking laugh though. It is a strange scene. Because it's just two people, there's nothing alien about it. It's probably the worst scene in the film, they make such effort to make them have an alien quality to all their movements, then you just see two blue people about to shag.
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In my audience it was definitely in the nervous laughter category. As in a, okay this is kinda hot and kinda weird and I don't know how to feel about this kid of reaction.

I thought it was very well done. But then, Neytiri? Totally would.
 
Neuromancer said:
^Personally I was OK with it, but I hear at some screenings during the
Navi lovemaking
scene , the audience was laughing.
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I think I chuckled for the fact at how realistic it was though. I mean really, the animation was superb, you forget it's all CGI :lol

I thought I heard someone whistling in my theater too.
 
Combine said:
Hmm, I'm kind of curious. For those who were simply unconvinced by the Jake/Neytiri romance. I wanted to ask something. First, was it more, or less believable than the romance in Titanic (as both a scenario and being convincing)? And also, was the romance not convincing because of the whole situation (human falling for alien), or was it because not enough time was spent on it?
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Less than Titanic. Probably because the two didn't seem to have much in common or things they said about one another. Despite being together for 3 months, I still didn't see why they liked each other. There just wasn't enough development in characters.
 
The only problem with the love scene was the lack of Qeue connecting

Would it have made the movie an R? :lol

I felt both characters relationship developped very nice visually. But it definitely could have benefitted from some more scenes in the time that Jake is training with the Na'vi (the video logs skip from Log 12 to Log 42. Too big of a skip imo)
 
Grimm Fandango said:
Less than Titanic. Probably because the two didn't seem to have much in common or things they said about one another. Despite being together for 3 months, I still didn't see why they liked each other. There just wasn't enough development in characters.
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I don't know about that. You see that he fancies her when she's teaching him to 'fire' arrows, and you see she notices. Then you see them flirting while flying the banshee's. It's not like it came out of no where. In fact before they shag, the bit when she's talking about which woman he'll pick is done incredibly well, you can see her wanting him to hit on her, and being embarrassed by the situation, she doesn't make eye contact when she talks about it.
 
stuburns said:
I don't know about that. You see that he fancies her when she's teaching him to 'fire' arrows, and you see she notices. Then you see them flirting while flying the banshee's. It's not like it came out of no where. In fact before they shag, the bit when she's talking about which woman he'll pick is done incredibly well, you can see her wanting him to hit on her, and being embarrassed by the situation, she doesn't make eye contact when she talks about it.
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Yeah but I don't see why they start to like each other. The only reason I can see is because Jake has a "kind heart" and I suppose an eagerness to learn new things. I still don't know much about Neytiri at all.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Am I the only one who find Zoe utterly hot as an alien?
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No.

James Cameron made her to be appealing. If she was all tentacles and stuff, the movie wouldn't be as relatable. The trick is actually how much human you leave, not how much alien you put in.
 
Combine said:
Hmm, I'm kind of curious. For those who were simply unconvinced by the Jake/Neytiri romance. I wanted to ask something. First, was it more, or less believable than the romance in Titanic (as both a scenario and being convincing)? And also, was the romance not convincing because of the whole situation (human falling for alien), or was it because not enough time was spent on it?

If it's the latter then I agree, I'd have loved to see more emphasis and scenes put into the developing relationship. I was convinced by it though in terms of the time they spent together. They spent every day for three whole months training, so time-wise it's believable, certainly far more believable than the "love at first sight" in Titanic IMO.

Also, I think some mentioned they thought the relationship didn't work because of the dialog. While there was little dialog between them, I was more convinced because of the body reactions that were being displayed and emotions in the faces as time went on.
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I bought their chemistry when they hooked up, but what really sold it for me was when Neytiri grabbed Jake's real body out of the portable lab.
 
Saw the movie three times in less than 20 hours.

Got to say, Quaritch is one badass villain. Every action scenes that involved him were awesome.

polyh3dron said:
I bought their chemistry when they hooked up, but what really sold it for me was when Neytiri grabbed Jake's real body out of the portable lab.
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Same here.
 
box office age, just because:

Avatar's reaping mad ticket sales over the weekdays; less than a 40% drop-off (damn good for any blockbuster, really) from Sunday to Monday, and holding rock-steady. The holidays are certainly being kind to it. It could take the top spot again this weekend.

I love seeing it do so well.
 
polyh3dron said:
Just forget it, someone will make a snide comment about unobtanium on the next page, the page after and so on.
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It's a catch-all phrase for rare materials, which doesn't make its usage in the film any less cheesy. Using "unobtanium" makes it seem like Cameron forgot to change the name of the mineral before the movie finished.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Damn... are your eyes bleeding?
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Now now, saw it once Wednesday night, twice yesterday, at noon and in the afternoon (I've sneaked in the theatre in the afternoon session, I must precise).

And I haven't been in a theatre for years... I guess that shows how good I think this movie is.
 
Scarecrow said:
I forget, what was special about the unobtainium? Besides it being rare.
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At least in the movie they never explicitly said. Going with the theme of sci-fi cliches, my guess would be some kind of new energy source that could potentially solve all of Earth's problems.
 
Neuromancer said:
At least in the movie they never explicitly said. Going with the theme of sci-fi cliches, my guess would be some kind of new energy source that could potentially solve all of Earth's problems.
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Well Selfridge did mention the stock holders IIRC. Maybe some kind of ultra rare jewelry.
 
Scarecrow said:
I forget, what was special about the unobtainium? Besides it being rare.
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Cameron has said he deliberately didn't specify, because what it did was besides the point. It was valuable, we wanted it, we were going to take it. I assumed it had some kind of stored energy that could be tapped, but I really don't care either.
 
Grimm Fandango said:
Well Selfridge did mention the stock holders IIRC. Maybe some kind of ultra rare jewelry.
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Stockholders mean people who own stock in the company. That doesn't tell us jackshit. The company could trade in literally anything. All we know about them really is that they like to genocide blue people.

They might be a computer company for all we know and unobtainium is a super conductive material.
 
So I took my dad to see it who isn't in to sci fi flicks and he brought his girlfriend along who usually hates sci fi flicks too. They can't stop talking about how great it is. My 11 year old cousin (boy) also loves it. My 16 year old girl cousin loved it too. This movie really does well with all demographics.
 
AniHawk said:
Christ. This movie's going to hit $500m WW over the weekend.
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Tracking to $600m, but yeah.

Code: 
           Domestic      International   Total
Weekend    77,025,481    164,974,519     242,000,000 
Monday     16,385,820    26,836,711      43,222,531 
Tuesday    16,086,461    27,957,923      44,044,384 
Wednesday  16,445,291    35,917,800      52,363,091 
			
Total      125,943,053   255,686,953     381,630,006
 
I was at a neighborhood christmas party and EVERYONE was talking about it:lol

This one young kid said it was AMAZING and he was explaining the last fight in detail to all his friends :lol It sounded like he just saw Star Wars for the first time.
 
I posted this in the 2009 round-up but I'd thought I give all you Avatar lovers a chance to vote in our poll, just click below.



I'm going to do a huge post with all the results after they are accounted for, so vote away!
 
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