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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Mr. Pointy said:
Actually, I'm gonna say that Avatar has at least another two $70-80 million dollar weekends in it.

I'd say this weekend is a possibility, but after that everyone's back at work and school. It'll drop quite a bit. I'm guessing it'll be in the 30M-35M range US the weekend of Jan 8-10.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I have been thinking the same thing. I wanna see James Cameron work with Christian Bale AND Russell Crowe. Two actors that are perfectionists and demand a lot from their directors. I bet that team would turn out one hell of a movie.

They probably would if they didn't kill each other first.
 
Just came back from a viewing. Not sure really what I think of it yet. The beginning was riddled with cliches and some awkward stuff but oboy. The last hour of the movie more than made up for it. The movie surely brings nothing new to the table but what it brings is so delicious I'll eat it up faster than Sally Struthers can eat dingdongs.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
I have been thinking the same thing. I wanna see James Cameron work with Christian Bale AND Russell Crowe. Two actors that are perfectionists and demand a lot from their directors. I bet that team would turn out one hell of a movie.
That would be fucking awesome, my life would be a disappointment if that never happens.
 
WJD said:
They probably would if they didn't kill each other first.

That is the beauty of it all. I think it would be a very tense set, but the results would be incredible.


irfan said:
Only Thu is left, which is a lock (IMO) for this to happen.

Thursday will be higher by default, since last thursday was Christmas Eve
 
Danielsan said:
All in all a mind blowing experience. The sad thing is. I don't care for buying/seeing it on blu-ray. What would be the point. It can't replicate this experience.

I'm certainly buying the 3D version ... and will be replicating the experience at home ;)





fireside said:
Finally got a chance to see Avatar in IMAX today, pretty much every showing for the last week and a half has been sold out. However, the picture didn't fill the entire IMAX screen, and the theater I went to is "true IMAX". Should I complain later today or is that how it's supposed to be (I can't imagine that being so but you never know)? The movie was good, but I couldn't stop thinking about the picture not filling the screen.

The movie isn't using Imax film.
 
So apparently Avatar now has the record for the longest number of consecutive $10m+ days, beating Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. That film had 12, and yesterday was Avatar's 13th.
 
Gui_PT said:
I'll probably be beaten up by saying this but I hope there's no sequel.

I've seen this happen so many times; someone makes an awesome movie that earns boatloads of money and just because of that, they make a sequel and it turns out just awful.

Transformers 2 wat

Except Cameron planned for this to be a trilogy from the start.



Mr. Pointy said:
Actually that makes sense. Fox releases the 2D DVD/Bluray but continues showing the 3D movie in cinemas until whenever.

That would be my guess. The 3-D BD re-releases isn't expected until late 2010 (and could slip into early 2011), but even then, it's not like all that many people will be ready to use 3-D at home.

I wouldn't be surprised if Avatar has a 3-D only reshowing at theaters next holiday season :lol Hey why not, turn it into a yearly event :p (well, until part 2 hits).
 
syllogism said:
It's new years eve which is hardly a lock. Movies generally drop quite a bit but some do not.
But it's going up against Christmas Eve from last week; pretty sure NYE isn't as big a drop since people are going out rather than huddling up for the evening. We'll see!
 
rezuth said:
Just came back from a viewing. Not sure really what I think of it yet. The beginning was riddled with cliches and some awkward stuff but oboy. The last hour of the movie more than made up for it. The movie surely brings nothing new to the table but what it brings is so delicious I'll eat it up faster than Sally Struthers can eat dingdongs.
Hmm, I thought the first half was really good and the final hour kinda crappy. Too much standard action flick and dumb oneliners.

And I didn't feel emotionally attached to either the humans or the Na'vi :\

In Lord of the Rings, when there's suddenly horses coming over the hills or whatever, you're like 'Yeah! awesome!', and there, those beasts come out of the jungle and I'm like 'oh of course they had to turn up some time.'

/edit
lol
http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=43
 
syllogism said:
It's new years eve which means it's hardly a lock. Movies generally drop quite a bit but some do not.


I'm going to guess that it'll hit $11M on New Year's Eve.
 
Finally got an IMAX showing.

Yeah, IMAX > Real-D 3-D. If the 3-D tech was slightly inferior, it was barely noticeable, and the sheer size of the screen more than made up for it.

I couldn't help but feel slightly bittersweet the entire movie, though. When will I ever again get to watch Avatar in such a viewing environment? Maybe in a few years I'll get the 3-D, but not on a screen like that. Sadness. = (
 
just came back from the theater. i had a blast--the story was fairly standard but the execution was outstanding.

i have to say, it looked way better than watching the trailer on my laptop. in nine ouf ten instances it looked very convincing, but there were some ehh parts--weaver's avatar was the only one, really, that always looked undeniably cg. i'm not sure what went wrong there.


bud said:
to me, this looks amazing and real:

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but then there's this:

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it's both the facial animations and the lighting conditions that make it look cartoony.

that part didn't look cartoony at all in imax 3d. awesome.

zoe saldana was the highlight, personally speaking. terrific, convincing performance.

btw, at some point into the movie, you can totally hear worthington's australian accent. :lol

(rodriguez looked hot in that white tanktop)
 
bud said:
i have to say, it looked way better than watching the trailer on my laptop. in nine ouf ten instances it looked very convincing, but there were some ehh parts--weaver's avatar was the only one, really, that always looked undeniably cg. i'm not sure what went wrong there.
)


I didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but you are right. Maybe it had to do with the fact that her face had too many human characteristics (thus "uncanny valley") or because her walking gait was kind of disjointed (like Jar Jar).
 
Out of curiosity, I looked at the top 5 movies from Christmas Eve 2009 and compared the daily grosses of those 5 movies for Christmas Eve vs. New Year's Eve. (Note these movies were not the same top 5 on New Year's Eve. I was just looking at how these specific movies held up. Also, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve were on Wednesday, which is a pretty good comparison to this year, I think.)

YES MAN
Christmas Eve: $1,935,364
New Year's Eve: $2,752,113
+42%

THE TALE OF DESPEREAUX
Christmas Eve: $1,520,960
New Year's Eve: $1,895,270
+25%

SEVEN POUNDS
Christmas Eve: $1,460,817
New Year's Eve: $2,236,321
+53%

FOUR CHRISTMASES
Christmas Eve: $1,215,069
New Year's Eve: $867,310
-29%

THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (2008)
Christmas Eve: $1,163,462
New Year's Eve: $1,112,419
-04%
 
GhaleonEB said:
So apparently Avatar now has the record for the longest number of consecutive $10m+ days, beating Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. That film had 12, and yesterday was Avatar's 13th.

Revenge of the Fallen continued to pull in that kind of money after people actually saw it? Man people have terrible taste.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Revenge of the Fallen continued to pull in that kind of money after people actually saw it? Man people have terrible taste.

Why would you say that?
New Moon is also a good example of terrible taste
 
duckroll said:
Only in 2D.
I think you meant "only in 3D"... 2D theaters can keep playing it whenever, but due to the (comparatively) limited number of 3D screens, it's losing most of them at the start of March, no matter what. Of course, given what it'll have made by then, I'm sure nobody at Fox will be shedding any tears.
 
Gui_PT said:
Why would you say that?
New Moon is also a good example of terrible taste

And it dropped like a rock after its first day. It has yet to cross $300 million after over a month of release, and it opened with $142 million.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but you are right. Maybe it had to do with the fact that her face had too many human characteristics (thus "uncanny valley") or because her walking gait was kind of disjointed (like Jar Jar).
That's my theory. I also thought she stood out as looking less convincing than everyone else, but on second viewing I think it's because she looked too human.

The Na'vi walk that line pretty well; I'd love to see some of the early development tests and see how they tweaked them to get the balance of looking close enough to the actor to be recognizable, but not in the uncanny valley.

One thing I've noticed is how in all the Na'vi, they left the lower part of the face identical to the actor. In the shot of Neytiri looking out from behind the tree Bud posted, cover up everything from the start of her nose up; the lips, jaw and chin are 100% Zoe. Now cover up the lower part, and she looks quite alien. I suspect that was to help make the motion capture of the speech and facial expressions translate 1:1.

With Weaver's avatar, they made the entire face look like her, and it stood out more. But from a visual fidelity perspective, I though it was just as good as everything else.
Cush said:
Out of curiosity, I looked at the top 5 movies from Christmas Eve 2009 and compared the daily grosses of those 5 movies for Christmas Eve vs. New Year's Eve. (Note these movies were not the same top 5 on New Year's Eve. I was just looking at how these specific movies held up. Also, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve were on Wednesday, which is a pretty good comparison to this year, I think.)
Good observations. Avatar could be heading for ~$13m or so today.
 
I think the trouble people are actually having with Weaver's avatar form is that it makes her look like a 20 year old. It is jarring to some.







Arousing to others.
 
Xrenity said:
Hmm, I thought the first half was really good and the final hour kinda crappy. Too much standard action flick and dumb oneliners.

And I didn't feel emotionally attached to either the humans or the Na'vi :\

In Lord of the Rings, when there's suddenly horses coming over the hills or whatever, you're like 'Yeah! awesome!', and there, those beasts come out of the jungle and I'm like 'oh of course they had to turn up some time.'

/edit
lol
http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=43
I don't really think the action parts were good but the whole accepting him. His speech was pretty touching at parts. Don't get me started on the Mech with a knife. Jesus!
 
Cush said:
Out of curiosity, I looked at the top 5 movies from Christmas Eve 2009 and compared the daily grosses of those 5 movies for Christmas Eve vs. New Year's Eve. (Note these movies were not the same top 5 on New Year's Eve. I was just looking at how these specific movies held up. Also, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve were on Wednesday, which is a pretty good comparison to this year, I think.)

YES MAN
Christmas Eve: $1,935,364
New Year's Eve: $2,752,113
+42%

THE TALE OF DESPEREAUX
Christmas Eve: $1,520,960
New Year's Eve: $1,895,270
+25%

SEVEN POUNDS
Christmas Eve: $1,460,817
New Year's Eve: $2,236,321
+53%

FOUR CHRISTMASES
Christmas Eve: $1,215,069
New Year's Eve: $867,310
-29%

THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (2008)
Christmas Eve: $1,163,462
New Year's Eve: $1,112,419
-04%

So basically Avatar will make more money on New Year's Eve than Christmas Eve.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I think the trouble people are actually having with Weaver's avatar form is that it makes her look like a 20 year old. It is jarring to some.







Arousing to others.

Her avatar was actually one of the most convincing for myself and two friends. But wtf it all looked great.
 
Memphis Reigns said:
Her avatar was actually one of the most convincing for myself and two friends. But wtf it all looked great.
I thought the absolute worst CG in the film was the fifteen-second scene where avatar Jake first encounters avatar Grace, and she tosses him a purple fruit. I still don't understand why her nose is human. Pandorapedia doesn't mention it, though it could easily be explained.
 
Memphis Reigns said:
Her avatar was actually one of the most convincing for myself and two friends. But wtf it all looked great.

Yeah, I had no problems with it, either.








Except for tipping over the popcorn bucket with my engorged queue.
 
So I'm taking my mom and stepdad to see avatar. There is a IMAX 3d and a real 3d theater at our AMC theater. Which do we go to for the best experience?

I've only seen it in real3D and thought it was great so I don't want to screw a bad thing if IMAX is worse.
 
Maybe it was deliberate to make her look more human as a hidden reason to why she was having trouble being as accepted as Jake. Like the na'vi were a little put off by her appearance.
 
That scene where he meets Grace's Avatar is great.

If only for him biting into that fruit. That looked unbelievable.



Edit: It was so believable it was unbelievable!
 
tralfazz said:
Maybe it was deliberate to make her look more human as a hidden reason to why she was having trouble being as accepted as Jake. Like the na'vi were a little put off by her appearance.

She had trouble being accepted?
 
gdt5016 said:
That scene where he meets Grace's Avatar is great.

If only for him biting into that fruit. That looked unbelievable.



Edit: It was so believable it was unbelievable!
lol
 
gdt5016 said:
That scene where he meets Grace's Avatar is great.

If only for him biting into that fruit. That looked unbelievable.

The sexuality and the comical Eden reference is what made it for me.

Jake is excited by having legs again.

Grace loves being a hottie again.

Cameron rewrites Genesis so that it is okay to be smart and sexy.
 
Jonm1010 said:
So I'm taking my mom and stepdad to see avatar. There is a IMAX 3d and a real 3d theater at our AMC theater. Which do we go to for the best experience?

I've only seen it in real3D and thought it was great so I don't want to screw a bad thing if IMAX is worse.


Personally, I think the screen in IMAX is too big. If you get stuck up in front, it is even worse.

I would stick to realD. Imo.
 
Gui_PT said:
She had trouble being accepted?

Yeah, they never fully accepted her in the same way they did Jake. Grace built schools, and developed some obvious strong bonds with the younger ones...but she never really was embraced by the clan like Jake.
 
tralfazz said:
Maybe it was deliberate to make her look more human as a hidden reason to why she was having trouble being as accepted as Jake. Like the na'vi were a little put off by her appearance.
It was mentioned that she had been closer to the tribe before, and had a school going teaching them English. The allusion to using machine guns on them is what I assumed got her booted out.

As for her face, I think it could be because she would have been one of, if not the, first human to test the program (as the head of it), so her mix might have been more human and less Na'vi compared to the others.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Yeah, they never fully accepted her in the same way they did Jake. Grace built schools, and developed some obvious strong bonds with the younger ones...but she never really was embraced by the clan like Jake.

Oh Grace, ok. I thought he meant someone else
 
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