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Al-ibn Kermit said:
Dude, if somebody wanted to troll for a reaction in a 245 page Avatar thread, they would bring up the weakest parts of the movie (story/characterization) and not the fucking CGI.:lol
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Maybe you're just really bad at it
 
I think Japan will have even longer legs (relatively) for the movie than the U.S. It's actually doing only 85% of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince's Japanese run in the same time frame, and that one ended up at around 85%. But Harry Potter is an established franchise and has always done strongly in Japan, while Avatar doesn't have that luxury.
 
cvxfreak said:
I think Japan will have even longer legs (relatively) for the movie than the U.S. It's actually doing only 85% of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince's Japanese run in the same time frame, and that one ended up at around 85%. But Harry Potter is an established franchise and has always done strongly in Japan, while Avatar doesn't have that luxury.
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Are you saying Harry Potter did $85 Million?
 
My sister thought the Avatar I seen looked faded and less vibrant then the theater that had Real3D apparently. Anyone do multiple viewings and have an option on the best setup?
 
Al-ibn Kermit said:
Hey the CGI tech is good. I'm not knocking weta's work but the technique they apparently used to transplant the actor's expressions right onto the model just didn't work that well. I think they should have filmed the actors acting those scenes out and had the animators make the expressions themselves.
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I'm going to admit confusion on this one. I'm not sure how an animator can animate a face better than the actual actor can animate their own face.
 
Al-ibn Kermit said:
Hey the CGI tech is good. I'm not knocking weta's work but the technique they apparently used to transplant the actor's expressions right onto the model just didn't work that well. I think they should have filmed the actors acting those scenes out and had the animators make the expressions themselves.
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Didn't work that well? Sir, you must be high.
 
JGS said:
I'm going to admit confusion on this one. I'm not sure how an animator can animate a face better than the actual actor can animate their own face.
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Animator's only clean up the motion captured animations. For characters with slightly exaggerated expressions, Gollum, for instance, animators did a bit of animating on that part.. just edited the motion captured animation.

Not sure about Avatar, but I'm sure animators merely cleaned up the facial animations, but otherwise 100% motion captured. I'm assuming here.
 
I'll probably dip my toe into the world of home 3D with a smallish autostereoscopic PC monitor when they get down below the "nutty early adopter" price range... below $1200 or so. I worry that autostereoscopy is going to cause eye strain, particularly in its early iterations, and I don't want to invest in anything bigger and more expensive until I do my own extensive testing.

Who knows how many years this will take. I think 5 years is optimistic.
 
I'm still amazed at how much it's made considering it didn't have all the things people said made Titanic super successful...

- A insanely popular song playing on radio 24/7 in "My heart will go on". To put it simply, " I See You" sucks.
- Non superstar actors primarily. Why do studios keep paying stars $20 million when JC shows it's not necessary? Sam Worthington also is no Leo Dicaprio when it comes to looks.

Boggles the mind. Good film. But the boxoffice is just freaking amazing.
 
Al-ibn Kermit said:
oh I'm completely serious. I was about to laugh every time a Navi or an Avatar made a serious facial expression because it looked so wooden and awkward. Never felt that way about Worf.
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Really? That is the exact opposite of my reaction. I couldn't believe how much emotional nuance was captured in those faces, and 'wooden' is just about the last word that I would use to describe any facet of the CG characters (especially given how damn expressive their eyes were).
 
saiftk said:
- A insanely popular song playing on radio 24/7 in "My heart will go on". To put it simply, " I See You" sucks.
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This is the one thing I can't get. There was such a big deal back then about Titanic's theme about them working so hard on it and it being so perfect, but for Avatar they went with... that?
 
twitter: giteshpandya

Avatar $7.3M TUE, -10% from MON, $367.5M in 19 days. Could hit $420M SUN passing Spider-Man for #8 alltime domestic.


A 10% drop on Tuesday is damn good. Considering a good chunk of schools were out still monday. We should see 7-8 million a day this week till Friday then.
 
Zoe said:
This is the one thing I can't get. There was such a big deal back then about Titanic's theme about them working so hard on it and it being so perfect, but for Avatar they went with... that?
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Every night in my dreams
I see you. I feel you.
That is how I know you go on.

Far across the distance
And spaces between us
You have come to show you go on.

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

Love can touch us one time
And last for a lifetime
And never go till we're one

Love was when I loved you
One true time I hold to
In my life we'll always go on

Near, far, wherever you are
I believe that the heart does go on
Once more you open the door
And you're here in my heart
And my heart will go on and on

There is some love that will not
go away

You're here, there's nothing I fear,
And I know that my heart will go on
We'll stay forever this way
You are safe in my heart
And my heart will go on and on
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To be fair, he most definitely could have just re recycled the song for avatar.
 
Somnia said:
twitter: giteshpandya

Avatar $7.3M TUE, -10% from MON, $367.5M in 19 days. Could hit $420M SUN passing Spider-Man for #8 alltime domestic.


A 10% drop on Tuesday is damn good. Considering a good chunk of schools were out still monday. We should see 7-8 million a day this week till Friday then.
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In terms of tracking, that catches it up to TDK by another $1.6m, and is now behind by $38.2m.

The Return of the King made $2m on the same day in 2004.

The domestic take alone bumps the world-wide ranking up to #3. With international and domestic, it will probably be #2 by the end of the day tomorrow.
 
9.5% drop is okay, though not quite Titanic-like. Not that I particularly expected Avatar to come anywhere close to Titanic's multiplier.
 
I'm sure this has already been posted here. Well, I'm not sure, but I just figure it has. Anyway.

Stuff.co.nz is reporting that in a ReelzChannel article/interview with Cameron (that I can't find right now), they actually filmed a longer, more explicit sex scene, which will be among the deleted scenes on Avatar's eventual DVD/Blu-ray release.

Cameron said the film, which has already passed the $1 billion mark at the worldwide box office in just three weeks of release, would have several key scenes included on the DVD release.

One of these would be a sex scene between two Na'vi characters - Sam Worthington's Na'vi avatar Jake Sully, and Zoe Saldana's Ney'tiri, a member of an alien species.

"We had it in and we cut it out," Cameron said in a group interview, reported ReelzChannel.com.

"So that will be something for the special edition DVD, if you want to see how they have sex."

According to ReelzChannel.com, Saldana recently said filming the sex scene - of which only seconds were included in the version released to theatres - was difficult.

"It was a very funny scene to shoot because there were so many technical things that sometimes you have to keep in mind that paying attention to all those might disrupt the fluidity of how a scene is supposed to take place," she said.

"And because Jim was shooting for a PG-13 rating, we couldn’t move in certain directions. The motion would look a little too past the PG-13 rating standards. So it was really funny for Sam and me.

"We had a lot of giggles there."
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/3209369/Avatar-sex-scene-cut-from-film
 
I posted this in the gaming section but only got one response so far so I'll ask it here. Is the Avatar game on the iPhone any good? If so, it'll be the first thing I actually purchased on the iPhone lol.
 
y2dvd said:
I posted this in the gaming section but only got one response so far so I'll ask it here. Is the Avatar game on the iPhone any good? If so, it'll be the first thing I actually purchased on the iPhone lol.
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I actually enjoy it and its graphically pretty good for an iphone game. It's nothing special but it is fun.

regarding the overseas numbers it did 28m yesterday which is only down 1m from Monday overseas. The king officially falls tomorrow and Avatar rises to #2 world wide.
 
Solo said:
Avatar will set the 4th weekend record this weekend.
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That's been clear since the second weekend hold, yeah. Fifth weekend is a little more interesting, it could take it but it depends by how much it clears the 4th weekend record and how much Book of Eli ends up hurting it (Memorial Weekend will help both films, so it's also possible that it takes the record but loses number one). Otherwise it could theoretically hold on to number one for another week or so, but is unlikely to get any records unless it actually starts holding like Titanic.
 
Somnia said:
I actually enjoy it and its graphically pretty good for an iphone game. It's nothing special but it is fun.

regarding the overseas numbers it did 28m yesterday which is only down 1m from Monday overseas. The king officially falls tomorrow and Avatar rises to #2 world wide.
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Yeah the international hold was just crazy. Another $35.5m world-wide on a Tuesday is just *intsert ajective*
 
Akira said:
Avatar is like a mix between TDK's front-loaded run and Titanic's long legs.
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Not really, its opening weekend was nowhere near TDK's and its legs don't appear to be anywhere near Titanic's, either. TBH it feels more to me like how Phantom Menace would have tracked if it was actually good--a film with a great (but not utterly ridiculous) opening from the frontloaded '00s combined with great (but not utterly ridiculous) legs from the '90s. The problem is, going back and looking at older blockbusters, they (and their contemporary movies) opened in way less theaters, ran for way longer, had way better legs, and had way lower opening weekends (adjusting for inflation, of course) than more recent movies. Comparing their runs actually makes no sense. Not that you can't find exceptions (like My Big Fat Greek Wedding with its completely absurd 80x multiplier). It's for that reason that I'm not sure how to predict Avatar's run: it has way better legs than any recent blockbusters outside Lord of the Rings, which it seems to be outpacing.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Yeah the international hold was just crazy. Another $35.5m world-wide on a Tuesday is just *intsert ajective*
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That's 5.5 million more than what you stated it needed yesterday right? Didn't you say it would get $30 million WW a day (Tues-Thurs)?
 
mckmas8808 said:
What is the current 4th weekend record?
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$28m. Avatar might double it. :lol

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/
mckmas8808 said:
That's 5.5 million more than what you stated it needed yesterday right? Didn't you say it would get $30 million WW a day (Tues-Thurs)?
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Yup. I was being conservative.
Sharp said:
Not really, its opening weekend was nowhere near TDK's and its legs don't appear to be anywhere near Titanic's, either.
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I think that's his point. It had a big debut, but nowhere near TDK. It's having amazing legs, but not Titanic's. But it's enough of both to get the same results.
 
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GhaleonEB said:
$28m. Avatar might double it. :lol

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/

Yup. I was being conservative.

I think that's his point. It had a big debut, but nowhere near TDK. It's having amazing legs, but not Titanic's. But it's enough of both to get the same results.
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Ah. I interpreted his statement as "opened like TDK and legs like Titanic" which would be the quite literal equivalent of how 3 Idiots is tracking in India, where it is on pace to beat the adjusted gross of its Gone With the Wind equivalent. Either way, Avatar's run is really strange.
 
Hey, what's up guys.

Avatar is in 3rd for all time worldwide:

3 Avatar $1,098.7 $367.5 33.5% $731.2 66.5% 2009
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Tomorrow, RTOK is next.
 
can i also mention that the worst part of the movie is easily when Michelle Rodriguez shows up at the end with her face all painted and her chopper all painted up. Corny as shit.
 
darkwings said:
can anyone explain the floating island rocks when everything else has gravity?
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According to the books,etc. The mountains are full of unobtainium which repels like magnets to the rest unobtainium in the ground.
 
GhaleonEB said:
The worst part of the moive is the title card at the end. This isn't even up for discussion.
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Shiny stone-textured letters floating in mid-air? Come on!

I'm assuming "moive" is Yiddish for movie.
 
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