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skyfinch said:
No, but paint my bare buttocks blue and send you photos. Shoot me your e-mail address and get ready to be underwhelmed.
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>:(

I hate you.

Anyway, Saw Avatar today for third time and the local theater was half-full. Never been a movie in their history alive for such a long period of time before. (They didn't have Titanic upon it's release)
 
I can't believe that Avatar has (technically I should say "will", but its inevitable, so past tense it is!) surpassed Titanic in under 40 days. Thats fucking ridiculous :lol
 
Christopher Nolan, circa 2008:
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"Fastest to $500M!"

James Cameron, circa 2008:
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"Congrats, Chris, thats a fantastic record to hold..."

James Cameron, now:
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"...twice"

Christopher Nolan, now:
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"But blah blah blah Inception and Batman 3!"

James Cameron, six weeks from now:
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"Sorry, Chris, what was that? I can't hear you over Oscar"
 
I can't believe people are still bitching about ticket prices. The movie could reach 5B and people will still say BUT BUT BUT TICKET PRICES
 
I guess it has to do with an idea that money is 'spent' more per person.

I mean if Titanic tickets cost 8$, It took more people to reach a billion than for Avatar with 12$ ticker price.
Technically less people who have seen Avatar than Titanic. Even if it hits on-par with Titanic's sales.

Just a theorym, nothing else.
 
Trickster said:
Meh, I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a film, personally I think that big epic movies with tons of special effects that make me go "WOOOOOW" are much more entertaining that the boring drama movies than make critics cream their pants
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Yeah, see I never seem to be amused much by blockbusters. Having said that half the time I think critics take themselves to seriously re:dramatic movies. I like being surprised and seeing new and innovative ideas, or just a total experience even.
 
raphier said:
I guess it has to do with an idea that money is 'spent' more per person.

I mean if Titanic tickets cost 8$, It took more people to reach a billion than for Avatar with 12$ ticker price.
Technically less people who have seen Avatar than Titanic. Even if it hits on-par with Titanic's sales.

Just a theorym, nothing else.
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I remember back then a ticket price was way way less than $8, I remember watching movies for around $3.50 a ticket back then. Same area now, it's like $8-10 (matinee to night). 3D ticket is like $12-14. For reference Avatar's gross is composed 70% of 3D ticket sales.

In pure attendance, ticket sales is far more accurate barometer. Theaters increase ticket sales every year, with the advent of 3D being more prominent, it gives more excuses for higher and higher ticket sales from studios.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
I remember back then a ticket price was way way less than $8, I remember watching movies for around $3.50 a ticket back then. Same area now, it's like $8-10 (matinee to night). 3D ticket is like $12-14. For reference Avatar's gross is composed 70% of 3D ticket sales.

In pure attendance, ticket sales is far more accurate barometer. Theaters increase ticket sales every year, with the advent of 3D being more prominent, it gives more excuses for higher and higher ticket sales from studios.
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Are there any sources that provide that info?
 
Too soon, Solo.

Just like DM was Johnny on the Spot when the Lakers got their 11th loss last year ( in the NBA threads), I'll have a little something ready to go when AHBUHDAR hits 601.
 
I saw it again today (2nd time) and the show was sold out. In fact, every 3D Liemax show today was sold out by 10:00 AM. One interesting thing I noticed... VERY few kids (teens included) in the audience. It was mostly 40+ adults with a hearty helping of 30 somethings.
 
Seeing it for the 4th time tomorrow night at The Bridge IMAX in LA...can't fucking wait!

Anyone hazard a guess as to when Cameron will announce his next movie?
 
His next movie will either be Battle Angel or The Dive.

If it's the latter I'll be sad because it sounds uninteresting. He said he wants to work on something else before he tackles Avatar 2: Electric Boogaloo
 
Rindain said:
Seeing it for the 4th time tomorrow night at The Bridge IMAX in LA...can't fucking wait!

Anyone hazard a guess as to when Cameron will announce his next movie?
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I would guess sometime around March.

Discotheque said:
His next movie will either be Battle Angel or The Dive.

If it's the latter I'll be sad because it sounds uninteresting. He said he wants to work on something else before he tackles Avatar 2: Electric Boogaloo
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We're glad to have you, but you need to realise you're telling a thread full of people that have been following and talking about this for well over a month now. He may still have Train to Hiroshima on his plate as well. All signs point to him doing The Dive next, but we can still hope its Alita.
 
Scullibundo said:
I would guess sometime around March.
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Makes sense...he'll wait until after the Oscars for sure.

I'm thinking the next movie will be either The Dive or Alita, not Avatar 2 yet. He has a finished script he really likes for Alita, and I'm sure he and Fox would love to have 2 huge trilogies going simultaneously. And he might want to spend the political capital he has gained with Fox now that Avatar is huge on making a riskier, maybe R-rated Alita movie. Which would rock. Of course I'm personally hoping for Alita so that may be clouding my judgement.
 
Rindain said:
Makes sense...he'll wait until after the Oscars for sure.

I'm thinking the next movie will be either The Dive or Alita, not Avatar 2 yet. He has a finished script he really likes for Alita, and I'm sure he and Fox would love to have 2 huge trilogies going simultaneously. And he might want to spend the political capital he has gained with Fox now that Avatar is huge on making a riskier, maybe R-rated Alita movie. Which would rock. Of course I'm personally hoping for Alita so that may be clouding my judgement.
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Well apparently one of the reasons that AVATAR went ahead instead of ALITA is because there were script problems with Alita. Mind you the same chick that came aboard to tweak the AVATAR script with Cameron apparently did the same for Alita with him. So it should have changed since then. Alita also has a year of pre-production already behind it, but the fact of the matter is that Cameron doesn't seem to want to spend another few years on one film just yet.
 
Scullibundo said:
Well apparently one of the reasons that AVATAR went ahead instead of ALITA is because there were script problems with Alita. Mind you the same chick that came aboard to tweak the AVATAR script with Cameron apparently did the same for Alita with him. So it should have changed since then. Alita also has a year of pre-production already behind it, but the fact of the matter is that Cameron doesn't seem to want to spend another few years on one film just yet.
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He has a script he likes now. Cameron on Battle Angel script:

"But I ultimately had to choose which one was going to be first, and I began to run into a bunch of script problems with Battle Angel, because I was synthesizing down these graphic novels. There are 10 of them. It was the kid in the candy store problem — too many good ideas and no story. So we went through five drafts and didn't solve them. So I switched to Avatar and we started developing that. Then, of course, a great script came in on Battle Angel! Which is a good problem to have, because I had two great projects, either one of which the studio would be happy to go ahead with. I would say it was August or September of 2005 we decided to push ahead with Avatar. Believe it or not, it was that long ago."
 
I was going to see Avatar again tomorrow, this time with my entire immediate family, but all the IMAX showings except the late late one are sold out. As annoyed as I am, I can't help but feel pleased by this movie's success. I've probably said this before, but Avatar definitely deserves it.

Guess we'll have to catch it next week.
 
Lathentar said:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=1&p=.htm

Top right corner at the Adjuster. Avatar sitting at 30 right now.
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Eh... the list isn't quite accurate. According to my calculations, though (which involve a lot of math, though they don't take into account IMAX), Avatar should actually be around 62 million tickets sold by the end of this weekend, which should be good for about $445 million on BOM's chart (placing it at number 52 of all time, just above Spiderman 2). By the time it gets to $700m (which is looking likely at the moment) it will have beat TDK in ticket sales pretty much for sure.
koam said:
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How many times do we need to say this? Gone with the wind didn't exactly have great international sales :lol
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That's not quite accurate, in those countries that did have a decent international market at the time it was quite popular. That said, I think it's safe to say Titanic eclipsed it worldwide.
 
I don't really believe the Gone With The Wind ticket sales numbers. There's no way they had reliable box office reporting back then.
 
Why do people keep bringing back up inflation?

It was a different time, different period of history, different in every way possible for Gone With the Wind and Avatar

I just get annoyed by seeing it in every movie thread in which the movie breaks a new threshold

If Gone With the Wind was made now, it wouldn't even make more than $1,000,000 and would be considered an indie flick, that is just too out there
 
Rindain said:
He has a script he likes now. Cameron on Battle Angel script:

"But I ultimately had to choose which one was going to be first, and I began to run into a bunch of script problems with Battle Angel, because I was synthesizing down these graphic novels. There are 10 of them. It was the kid in the candy store problem — too many good ideas and no story. So we went through five drafts and didn't solve them. So I switched to Avatar and we started developing that. Then, of course, a great script came in on Battle Angel! Which is a good problem to have, because I had two great projects, either one of which the studio would be happy to go ahead with. I would say it was August or September of 2005 we decided to push ahead with Avatar. Believe it or not, it was that long ago."
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There's no conceivable way Cameron is doing Battle Angel any time soon. He doesn't mention it, ever. There's only two movies he could possibly make that he has mentioned recently, Avatar 2 and The Dive, and I think it's going to be Avatar 2 for sure personally. :P
 
Rindain said:
He has a script he likes now. Cameron on Battle Angel script:

"But I ultimately had to choose which one was going to be first, and I began to run into a bunch of script problems with Battle Angel, because I was synthesizing down these graphic novels. There are 10 of them. It was the kid in the candy store problem — too many good ideas and no story. So we went through five drafts and didn't solve them. So I switched to Avatar and we started developing that. Then, of course, a great script came in on Battle Angel! Which is a good problem to have, because I had two great projects, either one of which the studio would be happy to go ahead with. I would say it was August or September of 2005 we decided to push ahead with Avatar. Believe it or not, it was that long ago."
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Meh, the simple fact that he is soo interested in BA makes me want to read it . . . only saw the Ovaa anime for it and was pissed to find out that they only made 3 because the creator wanted to only focus on the mange or something. :/
 
GraveRobberX said:
Why do people keep bringing back up inflation?

It was a different time, different period of history, different in every way possible for Gone With the Wind and Avatar

I just get annoyed by seeing it in every movie thread in which the movie breaks a new threshold

If Gone With the Wind was made now, it wouldn't even make more than $1,000,000 and would be considered an indie flick, that is just too out there
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What annoys me is that they focus on ticket-price inflation, which is only interesting to box office fanatics. Studios actually care about gross adjusted for headline consumer inflation, which makes for a meaningful and interesting comparison.
 
Black-Wind said:
Meh, the simple fact that he is soo interested in BA makes me want to read it . . . only saw the Ovaa anime for it and was pissed to find out that they only made 3 because the creator wanted to only focus on the mange or something. :/
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Battle Angel is one of my favourite mangas. If you like hard violent sci-fi it would be a very enjoyable read. Last Order, the continuation of BA series, is not that good however.

I'd rather Cameron to make Avatar 2 next than anything else. I don't want to wait too long for the trilogy to be completed.
 
GraveRobberX said:
Why do people keep bringing back up inflation?

It was a different time, different period of history, different in every way possible for Gone With the Wind and Avatar

I just get annoyed by seeing it in every movie thread in which the movie breaks a new threshold

If Gone With the Wind was made now, it wouldn't even make more than $1,000,000 and would be considered an indie flick, that is just too out there
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Granted that's true.

You don't necessarily have to compare films decade apart to compare inflation, ticket prices are already inflated just a year already, even more so with 3D tickets.
 
People want inflation to be ignored because if they didn't ignore it that would pretty much end the box office circle jerks you see in this thread and others. People like to pretend that whatever movie they are rooting for is some kind of incredible cultural phenomenon that is far greater than anything that came before it.

One look at that inflation-adjusted chart ends everything, because you realize that nothing now or ever will top the tops of yesteryear. Avatar has only now cracked the Top 30, and only recently passed the likes of Ghostbusters and Independence Day.

Every other artform tracks a static and unchanging figure for records-keeping -- books/abums/games go by units sold, television tracks viewer numbers, etc. Only the film industry is so insecure as to intentionally set up a system that will always appear to show progress simply due to the way currency gets devalued. But just like no television show will ever be able to beat the M*A*S*H* finale.....just like nobody will ever sell as many records as Elvis/The Beatles.....I don't think any movie is ever really going to be able to touch the likes of Jaws, ET, Star Wars, etc.
 
border said:
People want inflation to be ignored because if they didn't ignore it that would pretty much end the box office circle jerks you see in this thread and others. People like to pretend that whatever movie they are rooting for is some kind of incredible cultural phenomenon that is far greater than anything that came before it.
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I'm all for inflation. Ticket price inflation makes no sense at all, for reasons that have been beaten to death repeatedly.
 
well, my 'no more avatar' thing kinda failed. just got back from viewing #6 today. drunkenly agreed to go on friday night and booked yesterday :lol so much fun.

the 'no sir, it's the flux' line had me lol'ing at how awful it is.
 
Speaking of circle jerks:

1. Avatar (Fox) Week 6 [3,141 Theaters]
Friday $9.1M (-12%), Saturday $16.3M (-5%), Wkd $35M, Est Cume $552M
2. Legion (Sony) NEW [2,476 Theaters]
Friday $6.7M, Saturday $7.0M, Wkd $18M
3. Book of Eli (Warner Bros) Week 2 [3,111 Theaters]
Friday $5.0M (-57), Saturday $7.7M, Wkd $17M, Est Cume $62M.
4. The Tooth Fairy (Fox) NEW [3,344 Theaters]​
Overall estimate is low - that implies a 41% Sunday drop, which would be Avatar's largest. More likely to come in around $37m.

It's past TDK, and ~$45m from Titanic.
PhoncipleBone said:
EDIT: Damn, you beat me Ghaleon
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:D

Even with last Sunday's larger than normal take due to MLK holiday, the weekend estimate is still down only 18% from last week. Crazy long, blue legs.
 
Well, Deadline says it made $35 this weekend estimated. That puts it at $552 Million. Titanic is a goner in a week and a half or two weeks then?

EDIT: Damn, you beat me Ghaleon
 
GhaleonEB said:
Speaking of circle jerks:

1. Avatar (Fox) Week 6 [3,141 Theaters]
Friday $9.1M (-12%), Saturday $16.3M (-5%), Wkd $35M, Est Cume $552M
2. Legion (Sony) NEW [2,476 Theaters]
Friday $6.7M, Saturday $7.0M, Wkd $18M
3. Book of Eli (Warner Bros) Week 2 [3,111 Theaters]
Friday $5.0M (-57), Saturday $7.7M, Wkd $17M, Est Cume $62M.
4. The Tooth Fairy (Fox) NEW [3,344 Theaters]​
Overall estimate is low - that implies a 41% Sunday drop, which would be Avatar's largest. More likely to come in around $37m.

It's past TDK, and ~$45m from Titanic.
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Yeah... $700m is going down for sure. Honestly I don't know how theaters are going to be able to justify getting rid of it for Alice considering how much profit they will be making by its twelfth week (their percentage of the profit goes up as time from release increases). Maybe a rerelease is in our future.
 
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