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ArachosiA 78
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Having learned that my city's IMAX was removing Avatar on Feb 8, I decided I had to see it one last time on the biggest screen (4th time). Now the fact that I will never again see it in IMAX is hitting me, and I am feeling a little depressed. I'll see it again in RealD and 2D, but it won't be the same.
Is it just me, or does this movie get better everytime you watch it? That last battle continues to astound me. It's far and away the most insane action sequence anyone have ever attempted, and Cameron pulls it off to utter perfection. It's gonna be hard to top that in Avatar 2, although I know Cameron can somehow do it.
Is it just me, or does this movie get better everytime you watch it? That last battle continues to astound me. It's far and away the most insane action sequence anyone have ever attempted, and Cameron pulls it off to utter perfection. It's gonna be hard to top that in Avatar 2, although I know Cameron can somehow do it.
I've found that to be the case as well. It also affects me more emotionally each time; the lead characters really do have a depth to them, the music is just so perfect through much of the film, and above all the entire thing is just unrelentingly beautiful. From an artistic and directorial perspective, it's one of the most overwhelmingly beautiful movies I've ever seen, certainly that I've seen in theaters.ArachosiA 78 said:
What really strikes me about the ending battle is how relatively brief it is: the build up to the battle from the time of Jake's speech to the start of the fight is at least as long as the battle itself. Cameron really nailed the pacing such that the action has impact, but never outstays its welcome; it never degenerates into an unrecognizable mass of chaos. Every shot has a narrative purpose, moving the story of the battle and the characters in it forward. There's nothing in there just to wow the audience, never degenerating into an action montage - it's all narrative.
One quick note on the soundtrack: watching some of the behind the scenes features again, Horner makes the comment that it's basically two scores. One is the "Na'vi world of sound", with a traditional score running beneath and between that. I think everything from the former is just incredible, while the more conventional action music (think, the "Eywa has heard you" cue) ranges from decent to poor. Stuff like this moves me almost as much as his Titanic score did.
On a random note, someone in this thread pointed out that in the end battle, Neytiri has a five-fingered hand print on her chest as part of her war paint, meaning it was Jake's avatar to put it there. I fired that off to IMDB's trivia page a few days ago, and they added it, with my exact wording. So there's a little bit of GAF on that page now.
Count Dookkake
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So according to Cameron, the Navi resemble humans for a reason that will be revealed later and it is to make us connect to them. Maybe we'll meet some very ugly beings in the next one.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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My opinion of this film has slowly slid down as time has passed. Right now, I'm at 'it's okay'.
AVATAR story turns into a reality:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/09/india.avatar.tribe/index.html
L...O...L ?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/09/india.avatar.tribe/index.html
L...O...L ?
EternalSunshine1976
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The Return of the King!
Monday box office actuals:
#1. AVATAR - $2,251,567 total = $631,595,771 / 53 days
#2. DEAR JOHN - $2,140,429 total = $32,609,043 / 4 days
Do you think Avatar is going to be ahead of Dear John from now on? I see Dear John having a bigger increase during the weekends than Avatar.
Monday box office actuals:
#1. AVATAR - $2,251,567 total = $631,595,771 / 53 days
#2. DEAR JOHN - $2,140,429 total = $32,609,043 / 4 days
Do you think Avatar is going to be ahead of Dear John from now on? I see Dear John having a bigger increase during the weekends than Avatar.
Avatar will be #1 until Friday, when the holiday stampede rolls in. Dear John will get slaughtered by Valentine's Day (the movie), while Avatar's weekend surges have been consistently huge.thaivo said:
Dear John beat Avatar by $7.6m on Friday, $900k on Saturday, and was $900k behind Avatar by Sunday. It will drop a good 50% or more next weekend, when Avatar will likely drop 20% or less.
This week's Kevin Smith podcast is a one-hour long discussion of Avatar -- definitely worth listening to if you have some time on your hands. If you liked the movie you'll enjoy it, and if you hated the movie you'll enjoy it as well:
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/s3.amazonaws.com/smodcast/SModcast-105.mp3
I especially liked hearing about how the movie was very nearly titled "Pussytar."
"I saw Cats the first time and it was better. Where's the singing? Where's Rum Tum Tugger?" :lol
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/s3.amazonaws.com/smodcast/SModcast-105.mp3
I especially liked hearing about how the movie was very nearly titled "Pussytar."
"I saw Cats the first time and it was better. Where's the singing? Where's Rum Tum Tugger?" :lol
I really really do not like the implications of where he might be taking this.Count Dookkake said:
The Na'vi resembling humanity so much is the worst part of the premise.
I hope he doesn't pull some kind of managaka caliber writing and does something like "the souls of dead Na'vi are reborn as humans" or vice-versa.
ryutaro's mama
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Memphis Reigns
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Combine said:
Its the best thing to happen. They don't really looks like humans but they resemble them just enough for a)the audience to connect with them (like he said) and b) for him to go into detail about why the do in the context of the movie. Maybe there is some deep connection between their world and ours, some sort of similar sequence of events in its formation. Or maybe its because there is some common element in our corner of the galaxy that all life around here has some sort of synergy. Or maybe we are all from some common ancestor. Whatever the case I know that Cameron will have a valid and plausible reason for it.
@ Ghaleon: I've loved that track from the first viewing especially when it hits 4:00. Beautiful.
See You Next Wednesday
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gdt5016 said:
Sad that nowadays movies like Avatar, Batman Dark knight, LOTR:ROTK & Gladiator are considered Best Picture nominees.
Not in the least. Blockbusters being nominated for major awards is nothing new (though I should point out that TDK was not nominated, something that probably led to expanding the field to 10 BP nominees this year).See You Next Wednesday said:
Avatar is very, very well crafted. It's been nominated for a lot - though the only major award it's won is the GG. You can be comforted that The Hurt Locker will take the Oscar.
With Hurt Locker winning both the Director's Guild and Producer's Guild (for picture, and a good indicator of where the Oscar usually lands) top award, it's the favorite by a good margin. The Golden Globe is the only major award Avatar won. Though, I think it has a better shot at picture than director.gdt5016 said:
Box office wise...Avatar made another $27.1m overseas on Monday and Tuesday, which is actually up from last week. :lol
Total now at $2.24b, already $400m ahead of Titanic. 0_o
Count Dookkake
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Combine said:
I think you are missing what he is saying, or maybe just what I am saying.
The reason that Navi look like humans is not something "in-universe." Cameron says that we will find out in the next one, but that it is also because we as an audience would better connect to them.
I see this as implying that the next film will introduce us to something with which we can not identify. The Navi will be the audience's, um, avatar against something so horrible that the humans will seem like good guys.
Remember that when artists talk about future projects, they do not first look at the surface level. They look at the machinery of story.
To extrapolate even further, the third film will be the story of the Navi saving Earth from these horrible creatures and fixing the environment.
universalmind
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Need to quote this so a higher percentage of people who come into this thread see it.Enosh said:
PhoncipleBone
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See You Next Wednesday said:
Sad that nowadays movies like Avatar, Batman Dark knight, LOTR:ROTK & Gladiator are considered Best Picture nominees.
How is it sad? I would say it was sad if movies like Twilight, Transformers 2, and When in Rome were best picture contenders.
And many blockbusters from back in the day were oscar contenders, and if not they are considered timeless classics: Gone With the Wind, Wizard of Oz, King Kong, Ben Hur, countless others.
I am curious if there have been any positive posts from you on anything.
So, in your mind, what are the "real" best picture contenders this year then? And for the years past?
See You Next Wednesday
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PhoncipleBone said:
Well the ones you mentioned are legitimate classics that stood the test of time.
The ones I mentioned can be interchanged with any decent action movie in the past decade.
What happened to the value of acting, directing, script/plot that were the main component for considering Best picture.
Count Dookkake
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See You Next Wednesday said:
Avatar has all of those to at least industry-standard, a couple go as far as 'excellent.'
See You Next Wednesday
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Count Dookkake said:
Take away all the special FX & all I saw was a mediocre/generic colonial settlement movie.
You really think the story, acting, etc is anywhere on par with Dancing with Wolves without the CG?
See You Next Wednesday said:
Sad that nowadays movies like Avatar, Batman Dark knight, LOTR:ROTK & Gladiator are considered Best Picture nominees.
I'm tired of these ignorant trolls.
Shit movies way beneath the ones you mentioned are nominated for best picture with frequency.
Count Dookkake
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See You Next Wednesday said:
1) Yes.
2) Only a retard would try to strip Avatar's CG from the film.
3) Don't ask me to repeat myself.
4) Eff off.
Dan said:
Wait, that's a trick? I find my eye naturally focusing on the part of the frame that is in focus, just as with 2D films. I had to strain to focus on the other out of focus elements. Pretty sure Cameron said that's exactly why he used that method in the first place.NYT Article said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJKxcbcvxa4&#t=2m10szoom29 said:
Ultimo hombre
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Going to see it again in next weekend. Gotta see it atleast once before Alice in Wonderland takes over Imax3D. Gogo 700,000mil!
universalmind
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It doesn't mean anything which is why it is so good.gdt5016 said:
Tim the Wiz
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GhaleonEB said:
I pity your childhood.
I grew up on stuff like The Terminator, The Dark Crystal and the original Transformers show. Mah childhood was a-okay.Tim the Wiz said:
But for what is supposed to be a huge release, "The Secret of the Unicorn" sounds cheesy as hell. Though it will certainly get my kids attention. Perhaps their childhoods can be salvaged by this Tin Tin chap.
Okay. I know zero about Tin Tin and was responding to how incredibly cheesy the name sounded. That. Is. All. Drop the defenses, guys. :lol
Though knowing the source, in name it's not that far removed from "The Curse of the Black Pearl". But I still can't help but laugh at the title.
Then again, I'm probably not the target audience, since I've a) never head of Tin Tin before, and b) think Spielberg's recent attempts at blockbuster movies have sucked ass.
Though knowing the source, in name it's not that far removed from "The Curse of the Black Pearl". But I still can't help but laugh at the title.
Then again, I'm probably not the target audience, since I've a) never head of Tin Tin before, and b) think Spielberg's recent attempts at blockbuster movies have sucked ass.
mckmas8808
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GhaleonEB said:
:lol
Avatar is such a hit that it's just funny now.
XiaNaphryz
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Cameron's coming by for a 90 minute talk tomorrow. Should be fun.
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