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It appears MarketSAW (as much as I hate that attention whore Jim Dorey) also got an interview with Cameron thanks to the re-release. Some interesting tidbits.

Just got off the phone with James Cameron! Great to hear from him again and get some interesting news and confirmations. If you would like to listen to the last time I spoke with him, you can check out the interview here.

Today's call was made available in connection with AVATAR: SPECIAL EDITION which will be running in a limited engagement starting August 27.

I have broken down today's interview into segments listed below so you can quickly find your interest item, but of course I recommend listening to the whole thing!

With all the recent hoopla over 3D conversions and the ridiculous stories that 3D is dying, it is so refreshing to hear from the man that really started it all for modern 3D in Hollywood (along with Mr. Katzenberg of course). Have a listen!!



0:40 - Cameron confirms he is producing Guillermo del Toro's AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS. The movie will be shot in native 3D using next generation FUSION 3D cameras from Pace. The project came up only 2 or 3 weeks ago when Cameron asked about if del Toro was still interested in it. As del Toro was clearly excited to do it, Cameron said "let's do it". They took it to Universal with both of them attached to the fast tracked project and now it looks like it will be going in the 2nd quarter of 2011.

2:30 - Cameron talks about 3D conversions. TITANIC's conversion is taking 8 months to a year to complete, not a fast turnaround like CLASH OF THE TITANS. Cameron: "(TITANS) showed a fundamental lack of knowledge about stereo space, in addition to the shoddy work that comes from rushing." Cameron likes TITANS in 2D as do I (I have had the Blu-ray since it was released) from a directorial standpoint and as a fan of Sam Worthington.

5:00 - Cameron on how they are technically converting TITANIC. "You just can't cut out edges, you're going to get flat people moving around." He will be using all his knowledge to put things on their right depth planes. They had tests for TITANIC from seven different conversion vendors on the exact same shots and they got back seven different answers as to were they thought things were spatially. "Some of them were not bad guesses and some of them were ridiculous."

6:50 - The whole argument about conversion will go away for high end, first run 3D. Two years from now when there are thousands of 3D cameras out their shooting live feeds to 3D broadcast networks, how can a producer go to a studio and say: "I can't shoot 3D. It's too difficult. There are too many problems. It costs too much. It adds 6 months to post-production. They won't be able to say any of that stuff. That stuff is all garbage."

9:05 - Cameron on talking with Steven Spielberg about converting his classic movies to 3D. "Make sure you are there for (the conversions), then it can be great."

11:20 - Cameron talks about AVATAR 2's current status. He has an overall story arc for 2 and 3, but has some modifications for that after spending some time during the last few months with native tribes in the Amazon basin. Script will be a ways out yet for AVATAR 2.

12:04 - He is focusing his writing right now on the AVATAR novel (corresponds to the first film) and that will take him the next couple of months to bang out. Not sure when it will be coming out, perhaps the end of the year or the first quarter of 2011.

12:45 - The AVATAR re-release will have 9 extra minutes, not 8 and it will all be CG. No extra footage of live action characters drinking coffee. Rainforest; some at night; a hunt sequence - a lot of flying; high impact action; an emotional scene toward the end has been added back; "the best CG in the film has been added as far as facial performance"; A Na'vi counterattack after the bulldozer attack; more of Grace at the school; adding the Stingbat and Sturmbeast creatures; additional Quaritch final AMP Suit battle shots; more of the glade love scene. It is all on par with the best of the rest of the film. They had lots of footage to choose from and they put back the absolute best scenes and shots they could.

15:45 - Cameron does not have the release timing of the 3D Blu-ray as they want to have a nice distribution of 3DTVs in homes. He has seen the 3D master run on consumer 3DTVs from Panasonic and Samsung and "It looks amazing. It looks really spectacular."

Excited hearing about the new footage in the film (which Cameron corrects is 9 minutes, not 8). Sounds like we'll get Tsu Tey's scene back in.
 
I wonder: will the re-release be confined to the US? I was checking the websites of Canadian movie chains and the movie is nowhere to be found. :c
 
If Cameron doesnt change his mind about the sequels being self contained, then I think its probably a great idea to shoot them back to back. It will leave him with much more time in the future to devote to other films like Battle Angel.

Scullibundo said:
It appears MarketSAW (as much as I hate that attention whore Jim Dorey) also got an interview with Cameron thanks to the re-release. Some interesting tidbits.



Excited hearing about the new footage in the film (which Cameron corrects is 9 minutes, not 8). Sounds like we'll get Tsu Tey's scene back in.
Nice. I had a feeling it was 9 minutes, since all recent theater listings have had the SE as being 171 minutes. Cant wait to see the new footage. Im hoping the festival after the hunt is put back in as well.

Koodo said:
I wonder: will the re-release be confined to the US? I was checking the websites of Canadian movie chains and the movie is nowhere to be found. :c
Its being released all over the world: http://www.avatarmovie.com/re-releasedates/

There are still more dates to be added I think.
 
I can't believe this movie is still rolling in cinemas. I thought it had closed a while ago but no it still goes although only in 2 theatres. This is not the rerelease yet right?

It even had a 484% increase on ticket sales today. Nice job, Avatar!
 
Just listened to the full interview. The new footage sounds great, but too bad the interviewer didn't ask about the Earth Scenes :(
 
Happy about the novel and that it's the man himself writing it. Really dissapointed about the possibility of the sequels being shot back to back.
 
Deku said:
Ugh Avatar sequels?

What story is there left to tell?
Different ones? He wants the movies to be stand alone, yet still be built upon the previous ones.

Cameron had a plan for at least 3 movies even before the first movie came out.
 
Damn :( Doesn't look like any of my local theatres are picking up the re-release. I haven't seen the movie since December (skipped the barebones BD) 2009. Looks like I'll have to finally bite on the 4 disc set in November.
 
Cameron seems be tossing aside his initial reasons for not including this stuff in the first place, namely pacing and tone. He cut Tsu'tey's death because it disrupted the ending sequence and didn't have a natural place in the film. I'm all for an extended edition, I just hope he's found ways to make the additions fit into the overall pacing.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Cameron seems be tossing aside his initial reasons for not including this stuff in the first place, namely pacing and tone. He cut Tsu'tey's death because it disrupted the ending sequence and didn't have a natural place in the film. I'm all for an extended edition, I just hope he's found ways to make the additions fit into the overall pacing.

Well that's not really true, otherwise the Earth scenes would be in. I mean, they were essentially completed already and would have been easy to put in. But nope - no earth scenes this time around.
 
Scullibundo said:
Well that's not really true, otherwise the Earth scenes would be in. I mean, they were essentially completed already and would have been easy to put in. But nope - no earth scenes this time around.
This is what Cameron said about the death scene back in the LA Times round table video series from before the Oscars:

"It was an epiphanal scene for me when I was writing the script, and when I wrote it, I actually kind of welled up myself. It's a scene at the end where the warrior that Jake has had to prove himself to, Tsu'tey, the guy that's keeping him out of the clan and the whole Na'vi experience, is dying after the battle. Jake goes to him and he hands him the baton of leadership and says, "You have to lead the people," as he's dying. Very, very powerful, emotional scene and again, the rhythm -- it just messed with the rhythm of the ending. It just felt like there was one dramatic beat too many.

It had to come out completely, and that was the one scene that we finished all the way through the [special effects] Weta process because nobody could imagine the scene not being in the movie. Nobody. All the effects people came to me and said, "I can't believe you're cutting Tsu'tey's death." They were all invested in the scene. So, I actually had it out and I put it back in. Then it got right down to the end where the final decision had to be made and I said, "No, it's coming out."​
Very similar to his reasoning for cutting the intro Earth scenes. Though from its inclusion in the extended cut, I'm guessing he decided the scene itself was strong enough on its own merit to overcome it.

I'd still rather have the Earth scenes, myself. They'd add a great deal to the backstory and provide a needed contrast with Pandora. I assumed Tsu'tey was dead when he did that slow-mo tumble down into the forest.
 
GhaleonEB said:
This is what Cameron said about the death scene back in the LA Times round table video series from before the Oscars:

"It was an epiphanal scene for me when I was writing the script, and when I wrote it, I actually kind of welled up myself. It's a scene at the end where the warrior that Jake has had to prove himself to, Tsu'tey, the guy that's keeping him out of the clan and the whole Na'vi experience, is dying after the battle. Jake goes to him and he hands him the baton of leadership and says, "You have to lead the people," as he's dying. Very, very powerful, emotional scene and again, the rhythm -- it just messed with the rhythm of the ending. It just felt like there was one dramatic beat too many.

It had to come out completely, and that was the one scene that we finished all the way through the [special effects] Weta process because nobody could imagine the scene not being in the movie. Nobody. All the effects people came to me and said, "I can't believe you're cutting Tsu'tey's death." They were all invested in the scene. So, I actually had it out and I put it back in. Then it got right down to the end where the final decision had to be made and I said, "No, it's coming out."​
Very similar to his reasoning for cutting the intro Earth scenes. Though from its inclusion in the extended cut, I'm guessing he decided the scene itself was strong enough on its own merit to overcome it.

I'd still rather have the Earth scenes, myself. They'd add a great deal to the backstory and provide a needed contrast with Pandora. I assumed Tsu'tey was dead when he did that slow-mo tumble down into the forest.

Seriously. The Earth scenes just add so much more to Jake's first venture into Pandora.
 
I've always wondered why Cameron never released a director's cut of Titanic, with all the footage he was forced to choose to cut put back in. I remember reading interviews where he talked about hating losing some of those scenes.
 
Scullibundo said:
Eh, all the stuff that was cut out of Titanic wasn't that great to begin with. Those are cuts I absolutely agree with.
Really? Because he wasn't cutting stuff for pacing or story, but because he was getting grief over the running time. I remember one article* where Cameron was with a reporter in the editing room and talked about having to cut something. "That's a million dollar scene right there." It sounded like he was on the verge of angry tears.

It could be that the missing stuff didn't add anything to the story, but because of Cameron's obsessive attention to historical detail, it would be great to see more of what the "real" Titanic looked like. I might be prejudiced. I did a lot of research for one of my dad's time-travel novels that took place on the Titanic (including building a giant boat model), so seeing it come to life was a real treat for me.

I've never actually seen all of Titanic. My wife had an attack of appendicitis at the end and we had to leave. Did the boat sink? :lol

*I think it was Premiere, which at one time was a very good journalistic magazine, rather than a republisher of press releases and puff pieces.
 
I'm all for sequels as long as there is originality and the story is even half as good as T2.

I'll probably watch T2 tonight for the trillionth time.
 
adamsappel said:
Really? Because he wasn't cutting stuff for pacing or story, but because he was getting grief over the running time. I remember one article* where Cameron was with a reporter in the editing room and talked about having to cut something. "That's a million dollar scene right there." It sounded like he was on the verge of angry tears.

It could be that the missing stuff didn't add anything to the story, but because of Cameron's obsessive attention to historical detail, it would be great to see more of what the "real" Titanic looked like. I might be prejudiced. I did a lot of research for one of my dad's time-travel novels that took place on the Titanic (including building a giant boat model), so seeing it come to life was a real treat for me.

I've never actually seen all of Titanic. My wife had an attack of appendicitis at the end and we had to leave. Did the boat sink? :lol

*I think it was Premiere, which at one time was a very good journalistic magazine, rather than a republisher of press releases and puff pieces.

....the last 45 minutes of Titanic are fucking incredible. I suggest you hire it out.

On the deluxe box set you can see all the cut footage and the movie is better off without the stuff.
 
Scullibundo said:
....the last 45 minutes of Titanic are fucking incredible. I suggest you hire it out.

On the deluxe box set you can see all the cut footage and the movie is better off without the stuff.
This is true. The deleted stuff was cut for a reason.
 
Scullibundo said:
....the last 45 minutes of Titanic are fucking incredible. I suggest you hire it out.

On the deluxe box set you can see all the cut footage and the movie is better off without the stuff.
And Cameron has since elaborated on why that scene was cut. The entire sub-plot/Lovejoy fight was cut because it was distracting from the rising tension near the end of the film. I recall Cameron saying that he was asking the audience to care about something they didn't care about with that fight. It looked great, a fist fight as the dining hall tilted and became submerged, but it was ultimately pointless and drug out the otherwise perfectly paced final hour of the film.

Cameron has said he's not doing a director's cut of Titanic, because the theatrical edition was his director's cut. He won't be integrating any footage back in. (Though there are a couple little moments from the script I'd like to see, nothing of real consequence is missing.)
 
Cameron said the Tsu'Tey scene had the strongest facial capture emoting of any scene in the entire film, so Im not surprised he is including it.

adamsappel said:
Really? Because he wasn't cutting stuff for pacing or story, but because he was getting grief over the running time. I remember one article* where Cameron was with a reporter in the editing room and talked about having to cut something. "That's a million dollar scene right there." It sounded like he was on the verge of angry tears.

It could be that the missing stuff didn't add anything to the story, but because of Cameron's obsessive attention to historical detail, it would be great to see more of what the "real" Titanic looked like. I might be prejudiced. I did a lot of research for one of my dad's time-travel novels that took place on the Titanic (including building a giant boat model), so seeing it come to life was a real treat for me.

I've never actually seen all of Titanic. My wife had an attack of appendicitis at the end and we had to leave. Did the boat sink? :lol

*I think it was Premiere, which at one time was a very good journalistic magazine, rather than a republisher of press releases and puff pieces.
IIRC Cameron wanted to do a feature on the Special Titanic DVD where you could include ALL the Deleted Scenes back in (40 minutes worth) which is why those scenes were finished.

Can sculli back me up on this?
 
Dead said:
Cameron said the Tsu'Tey scene had the strongest facial capture emoting of any scene in the entire film, so Im not surprised he is including it.


IIRC Cameron wanted to do a feature on the Special Titanic DVD where you could include ALL the Deleted Scenes back in (40 minutes worth) which is why those scenes were finished.

Can sculli back me up on this?

I'm pretty sure the branching idea he mentioned was only for AVATAR. Sort of a choose-your-own cut type special. If he said anything of the sort for Titanic I either never saw it or was too disinterested in having the Lovejoy subplot cut back in.

And yeah, pretty much everybody who worked on AVATAR was heartbroken when Cameron decided to take the Tsu-tey scene out of the cut. IMO things wrapped up insanely fast after Neytiri cradles Jake. All of a sudden Neytiri rescues him, the humans are getting back on the ship and Jake is reborn.

Jake being recognised as Tsu Tey's last shadow is very poignant imo.

I really hope he never shot the scene of pregnant Neytiri bowfishing.
 
Scullibundo said:
I'm pretty sure the branching idea he mentioned was only for AVATAR. Sort of a choose-your-own cut type special. If he said anything of the sort for Titanic I either never saw it or was too disinterested in having the Lovejoy subplot cut back in.

And yeah, pretty much everybody who worked on AVATAR was heartbroken when Cameron decided to take the Tsu-tey scene out of the cut. IMO things wrapped up insanely fast after Neytiri cradles Jake. All of a sudden Neytiri rescues jake, the humans are getting back on the ship and Jake is reborn.

The passing of the torch would have been nice.

I really hope he never shot the scene of pregnant Neytiri bowfishing.
Even if he did, which I doubt it, no way would he include it. Itd be cut forever. Only a fraction of the people who saw the theatrical cut will se the SE in the end. Theyd be totally confused at the start of the sequel.

And I hope they do the branching thing for the Blu-Ray, if only to include the earth scenes :(

Hopefully that Making of Avatar book coming out next month will cover a bunch of stuff that was cut since it seems pretty big (272 pages)
 
Scullibundo said:
I really, really want the whole Quaritch/Selfridge subplot back in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61kMpOgkZRs#t=49s
Is it really a subplot? It doesnt seem to be anything more than one scene going by the script. Though I think it would be nice to include.

The problem with all the stuff cut from Avatar is that all of it is good and would make the movie even better. So it kinda sucks for a lot of it to end up being unfinished and deleted :lol
 
It means it becomes less about the humans ramping up the attack and more about Quaritch ramping up the attack. It shows that its not all one-sided. But yeah, it all happens within a scene - a scene I think would add a lot.

You have Quaritch forming a militia with mining teams taking to arms.
 
Well I like that in the previous interview he said that the Quaritch fight will have some nice little extra beats added to it. Also, that is the same mtv interview previously posted. :)
 
International Rerelease Schedule

BELGIUM 8 SEPTEMBER 2010
RUSSIA 26 AUGUST 2010
SPAIN 17 SEPTEMBER 2010
UK 27 AUGUST 2010
AUSTRALIA 26 AUGUST 2010
INDIA 27 AUGUST 2010
JAPAN 16 OCTOBER 2010
SOUTH KOREA 16 SEPTEMBER 2010
MEXICO 15 OCTOBER 2010
ARGENTINA 16 SEPTEMBER 201

Avatar-rerelease-movie-poster-limited-1-405x600.jpg
 
irfan said:
I missed the memo about this, why the fuck did they take it out? Or is extra scenes of Tsutey dying after the fall?
Cameron seemed iffy about the pacing, but pretty much everyone making the film was mad at him for taking it out

Heres a screencap from the scene:

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