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Anyone know details about the behind-the-scenes content for the blu-ray release? I hope its like a 3 hour long documentary on the making-of.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Anyone know details about the behind-the-scenes content for the blu-ray release? I hope its like a 3 hour long documentary on the making-of.
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Based on how much behind the scenes stuff was shown before the movie was released, I'm pretty sure it will be at least three hours, if not more.
 
Scullibundo said:
Based on how much behind the scenes stuff was shown before the movie was released, I'm pretty sure it will be at least three hours, if not more.
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Well, you never know. I mean one could hope. Longer the better.
 
Fate conspired to keep me away from the theater today, but I'll be hitting the it tomorrow or Sunday for sure. The extended and additional scenes all sound great.
 
I kinda feel the need to reiterate my disappointment at Cameron for only including the Sturmbeast hunt without the dinner party.

The Sturmbeast hunt is great, but its kinda without context without that party. Not only that but that scene had some good character moments that would have fit well with some of the other additions. Its kinda disappointing since pretty much all the other additions were all about adding more context to the film.

So yeah, I really hope that scene is on the plate for the blu-ray cut along with the earth stuff.
 
Just got back from seeing it in IMAX 3D.

I loved all the additions. Some of them I can see why Cameron cut them out in the first place for length or pacing, but they work just fine, adding some good depth. It'll be up to fans to decide for themselves which scenes they think improve the flow of the film, and which seem like they are one-beat-too-many.

I think it's a very hard decision Cameron had to make in cutting some of these...especially the Tsu'tey death scene. I see how it's inclusion provides another emotional climax to the story, taking away some of the power of the Neytiri holding human Jake scene, but it's such an awesome scene, I'm glad he let us see it.

Overall, amazing stuff.

I now want to see the Slinger, poison dart shooting plants, and the post-hunt party where Jake eats the psychadelic worm.
 
Rindain said:
Just got back from seeing it in IMAX 3D.

I loved all the additions. Some of them I can see why Cameron cut them out in the first place for length or pacing, but they work just fine, adding some good depth. It'll be up to fans to decide for themselves which scenes they think improve the flow of the film, and which seem like they are one-beat-too-many.

I think it's a very hard decision Cameron had to make in cutting some of these...especially the Tsu'tey death scene. I see how it's inclusion provides another emotional climax to the story, taking away some of the power of the Neytiri holding human Jake scene, but it's such an awesome scene, I'm glad he let us see it.

Overall, amazing stuff.

I now want to see the Slinger, poison dart shooting plants, and the post-hunt party where Jake eats the psychadelic worm.
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Yeah, the Tsu'tey scene is really something. I can see why the crew was mad when he decided to take it out. This is another reason why Im peeved that the Sturmbeast dinner didn't make it in, since it had a great Jake and Tsu'tey exchange.

I dont think the Slinger was ever even filmed, it probably never made it past the scriptment.
 
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2010/08/qa-james-cameron-talks-about-avatars-re-release.html
Of all of your films is there one you would like to have another shot at making?

I don’t do a lot of navel gazing when it comes to the films that I’ve already done. I’m not into the whole revisionist thing that much, even though I do special editions. But when I do the special editions, like I did for The Abyss and for Terminator 2, my feeling is that you just do it the way you were going to do it back then. You don’t second-guess how you would do it now. I can look back at the visual effects in Aliens, for example, and how much better we could do the Alien Queen now as a CG character; and how limited that film seems to me in terms of technique. But it doesn’t create an urge in me to go back and try to fix that movie because it’s completely a creature of its time. Every movie is a technological snapshot of the moment it was made.

Was there any sense of nostalgia when the Piranha movie came out last weekend?

Zero. You’ve got to remember: I worked on Piranha 2 for a few days and got fired off of it; I don’t put it on my official filmography. So there’s no sort of fond connection for me whatsoever. In fact, I would go even farther and say that... I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but that is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip. And that’s not what’s happening now with 3-D. It is a renaissance—right now the biggest and the best films are being made in 3-D. Martin Scorsese is making a film in 3-D. Disney’s biggest film of the year—Tron: Legacy—is coming out in 3-D. So it’s a whole new ballgame.

The Avatar sequel will be back on Pandora. You once said that the sequels would take place on the other moons of Polyphemus.

There will be a bigger world in the second and the third film. Both within Pandora you’ll see different environments, including the ocean. And eventually, over the story-arc of the second and third film, you will see other worlds as well.

Do you have a name for the sequel yet? Are you just going to call it Avatar 2?

No, no. With Terminator 2 we called it T2: Judgment Day. We actually started that whole thing with the alpha numeric coding for movies with that film. Generally speaking, I think a movie should have its own identity. I doubt we will call it Avatar 2.

Is The Last Train from Hiroshima your next project?

Last Train from Hiroshima is a book that I optioned as a research source for a film that I would like to make about the atomic bombings in Japan ... at some point in the future. But it’s not something that I’m active with right now.
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:D :D :D @ the last bolded part. COME ON Battle Angel!
 
Memphis Reigns said:
Other worlds in the sequels? The Na'vi aren't space faring so would the humans take them there?? Maybe hi-jack some shuttles?
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Guess so. Remember that it takes 6 years to reach Pandora, so its likely that there were already more humans on the way before all the mercs and miners got their asses handed to them.
 
Dead said:
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Cameron says in addition to the 16 minute longer cut (that includes the newly finished Earth opening), there will also be 45 minutes of other deleted scenes
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Looks like the sequel to Planet Earth.
 
Caught the 2:30 showing in NYC. Theater was pretty empty, I was honestly surprised.

Dead did a nice job recapping the new scenes. I thought they flowed nicely and was also surprised some of those were omitted from the original movie. Then again, the movie is close to clocking 3 hours...

That was my 3rd and final viewing in the theaters.
 
Looks like the movie made $1.2 million yesterday. Probably a ~$4 Mil something weekend. Pretty much smackdab in the middle of most projections.

I think some people probably unrealistically expected more (I mean even Cameron said no way when asked if the re-release woud hit 800 mil), but with the number of screens and showtimes, lack of any real advertisement outside the net, and the fact that the movie has been on Blu-Ray and DVD since April, its a pretty expected number.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
How long is it in theaters?
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2 weeks since Resident Evil will be taking away the IMAX and 3D screens when it releases.

I mean, there might be a few remaining theaters, but that's about it.
 
Seriously considered seeing Avatar SE yesterday when I hit the cinema in the city. I ended up seeing Scott Pilgrim instead and loved it. If Cameron had added back in the Earth scenes I would have watched it again. I downloaded the Avatar screenplay and from reading those very scenes I'm starting to think Cameron really should have opened the movie with Jake on Earth. It is some pretty key backstory that is missing in the theatrical release.

Zero. You’ve got to remember: I worked on Piranha 2 for a few days and got fired off of it; I don’t put it on my official filmography. So there’s no sort of fond connection for me whatsoever. In fact, I would go even farther and say that... I tend almost never to throw other films under the bus, but that is exactly an example of what we should not be doing in 3-D. Because it just cheapens the medium and reminds you of the bad 3-D horror films from the 70s and 80s, like Friday the 13th 3-D. When movies got to the bottom of the barrel of their creativity and at the last gasp of their financial lifespan, they did a 3-D version to get the last few drops of blood out of the turnip. And that’s not what’s happening now with 3-D. It is a renaissance—right now the biggest and the best films are being made in 3-D. Martin Scorsese is making a film in 3-D. Disney’s biggest film of the year—Tron: Legacy—is coming out in 3-D. So it’s a whole new ballgame.
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Finally someone with some sense. I considered posting this to those idiots in the Piranha 3D thread but I would imagine they'd flame me. Films like Piranha 3D are bad for the industry and bad for 3D.

Agreed with Cameron. Tron Legacy's going to be epic.
 
jett said:
Will you just stop it with Battle Angel? Jesus.

Avatar 2, bitches. Face reality.
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We know Avatar sequels are a coming. We want them! The point is Cameron knows it too and he has said he may want to delve into another world before spending 5 - 6 years back in Alpha Centurai. And as hard as I will be jonesing for the Avatar sequels (because there's nothing better than a Cameron sci-fi sequel), Battle Angel is just too perfect a storm to see Cameron approach (I can already hear Dan's furious fingers typing).

The fact that he's conceded that Battle Angel is still on his mind (and has already got 18 months of pre-production behind it) and that he is considering tackling another project before the Avatar sequels is certainly promising - especially when straight after Avatar came out he said (to Marketsaw) he almost certainly wasn't going to be making it anytime soon. He seems to have warmed back up to it.

The only factors I could see stopping him from approaching it are

1. He has planned Battle Angel as another trilogy of films (self contained of course) and probably won't want to be orchestrating two franchises simultaneously.

2. Even making the first would require him to take another 3-4 years of his life into another high-scale production before then embarking what would by then be contractually obligated Avatar sequels.

Obviously the second factor would be a dream for fans, but thinking about it from his perspective, thats almost a decade of your life devoted to production hell. He still has to be extremely passionate about both.

What might tempt him toward Battle Angel is that challenge of blending live-action and CG characters together believably across an entire movie (which he has stated doing that small scene with Neytiri cradling Jake was a huge help toward that process for Battle Angel).

All I know is that his announcement of Battle Angel is pretty much the only thing that could spark my anticipation for a movie akin to that I had for Avatar.

In other words, be prepared.
 
Just got back from seeing it, been a while so was nice to see in the theatre one more time. The re-added scenes were really good, for the most part. A lot more of it made sense continuity wise, too. The middle drags horribly (imo) as always, but I always love the ending and the
Tsu-Tey death scene
was unexpected and fit really well.
 
I'm thinking more and more that Battle Angel might be next - he could get it done much faster than Avatar 2.

Battle Angel has:

1) More live action and a good deal less CGI, so it wouldn't take as long to make.

2) A completed script (Avatar 2 script hasn't been started)

3) Tons of preproduction artwork, CG models, and animation tests completed.

I can easily see Cameron making it next.
 
Rindain said:
I'm thinking more and more that Battle Angel might be next - he could get it done much faster than Avatar 2.

Battle Angel has:

1) More live action and a good deal less CGI, so it wouldn't take as long to make.

2) A completed script (Avatar 2 script hasn't been started)

3) Tons of preproduction artwork, CG models, and animation tests completed.

I can easily see Cameron making it next.
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I don't know about it not taking as long to make. Its true the production team wouldn't have to spend 18 - 20 months in post like Avatar, but then Avatar 2 already has a wide array of resources to draw from before any production starts.

And let's face it, Cameron is always about topping himself visually. Yes there will be a tonne of built sets for Battle Angel (another reason I want to see it go into production - because lets face it, Cameron's are always the most impressive built sets), but I don't think he'll be entirely ready to give up his virtual cam system, with all the freedom it allowed him on Avatar. He will also be trying to develop a work around for having a completely CG character interact in-camera with all the live action members and locations and be a step up from the standard he set in Avatar - which he conceded was the hardest effect of the entire movie (you know which scene).

For those that have seen the rerelease (which I'll be seeing today), do we see
WayneFleet cut Tsu'tey's cue?
 
Scullibundo said:
...What might tempt him toward Battle Angel is that challenge of blending live-action and CG characters together believably across an entire movie (which he has stated doing that small scene with Neytiri cradling Jake was a huge help toward that process for Battle Angel)...
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That scene was so good (visually/technically) that I didn't even realise it until later.
 
Scullibundo said:
For those that have seen the rerelease (which I'll be seeing today), do we see
WayneFleet cut Tsu'tey's cue?
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No. I'm thinking it was never filmed, and probably never made it past the script, kinda like a lot of things in the battle.

After he is shot up, and after Trudy gets blown up, you see him violently fall through the forest and splat on the ground, and it appears his thing was torn off in the process, he looks like hes in excrutiating pain.
 
Got back from it not too long ago.

I really loved the extra little bits added to some scenes. Really magnified some beats imo. I think I loved the extra little bits of dialogue and shots put back in more than the fact that we got entire scenes put back in. Its like those scenes which had shots put back in were given more room to breathe, rather than being cut short.

I LOVED the Neytiri flyover as they were crossing the beanstalk to the banshee hive. Great shot.

I really liked the scene exploring the aftermath of the Na'vi raid on the human squad. Really added quite a bit.

I thought the extension of the love scene was pretty powerful, the bonding of their queues, whilst expected, still packed a punch surprisingly.

I noticed that Quaritch's pre-war seminar had some extended shots, as well as the Thanator chase and there is this nice little moment where we get a close up of Jake after he looks at both Tsu'Tey and Neytiri flying beside him on their way to the big attack.

There was also added dialogue where Neytiri finds out about Jake's Betrayal that was something like

'I fell in love with you..' which he then repeats, followed by her saying 'I trusted you' and his retort 'then trust me now'

The only extension I didn't like was Neytiri going nuts over the helicopter lizards, don't know why, but it didn't gel.

Oh yeah, when all the gun ships are taking off, we also get to see a nice single of the Dragon gunship taking off that wasn't in the theatrical cut. Not to mention the extra swipes and stuff that Quaritch takes at Jake in the final fight.

One thing that I really picked up on was all the extended radio-chatter from ship to ship. Lovely touch and one of the things that made everything all the more believable. Extra shots of missiles firing too.

Now, the Tsu'tey death scene. It was beautifully executed and beautifully acted. It was really powerful and people in the theatre started crying. That said, I was surprised to find myself agreeing with Cameron in that it really broke the flow of the ending. Maybe its because I've been stuck in the editing room for the last week, but the scene was just there. I'm not sure whether I would go as far as saying I would prefer it wasn't there, because it strengthens the character of Tsu'tey so much. But, I wish they had found a way to edit it into the film in a different way, because it doesn't flow where it is right now. You have a slow, lovely, peaceful image of Jake and Neytiri finally at peace - her cradling him and truly seeing him for the first time - which then turns into a violent cut of them running through the jungle toward a broken Tsu'tey and back into a world of turmoil.

IMO the scene should stay, despite the fact that it breaks the pace of the ending.
 
Agreed about all the scene extensions. Really added to the overall atmosphere. Regarding the Tsu'tey scene, though I didn't find the flow as jarring as you did, I definitely understand why Cameron cut the scene, but in the end, its simply a case where the content of the scene, emotion, execution, etc are so great, that the benefits of putting it back in far outweight those of taking it out imo.

Re: the Love scene extension, I liked it simply for the fact that the scene just flows better now. Before, you could totally tell that footage was extracted out of the scene. Its much better now.

What did you think of the choice of music they used for the Sturmbeast hunt?
 
For people who have seen the extended version, I remember seeing Neytiri attacking Quaritch on the AMP Suit in some footage that wasn’t in the original release. Did that scene make it into this one?
 
Can't say that I can remember the Sturmbeast hunt music as that isn't where my head was at the time. I was hoping it would go longer as well as it felt a bit cut short after one swoop and shot from Jake.

But yeah, its definitely the extra little shots that made it worthwhile. Like when he's stepping past the waterfall and you see the rocks falling away and how slippery it is.

I can say that I noticed some new nice musical cues, but I can't remember where they were.

I have nfi what Tricky is referring to. The Thanator vs AMPsuit attack was as it originally was as far as I can remember.

There definitely seemed to be more time between the bits of dialogue in the scene where Quaritch tells Jake he's going to terminate the mission - as if to show Quaritch analysing him longer, though maybe it was just my imagination.
 
Scullibundo said:
I have nfi what Tricky is referring to. The Thanator vs AMPsuit attack was as it originally was as far as I can remember.
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Aww, I can't find the footage anywhere! It was for like one second in a TV Spot or Interview. She looked really pissed off....
 
Scullibundo said:
Can't say that I can remember the Sturmbeast hunt music as that isn't where my head was at the time. I was hoping it would go longer as well as it felt a bit cut short after one swoop and shot from Jake.

But yeah, its definitely the extra little shots that made it worthwhile. Like when he's stepping past the waterfall and you see the rocks falling away and how slippery it is.

I can say that I noticed some new nice musical cues, but I can't remember where they were.

I have nfi what Tricky is referring to. The Thanator vs AMPsuit attack was as it originally was as far as I can remember.

There definitely seemed to be more time between the bits of dialogue in the scene where Quaritch tells Jake he's going to terminate the mission - as if to show Quaritch analysing him longer, though maybe it was just my imagination.
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No, there was a new bit added where the Thanator grabs the AMP suit and Neytiri growls at the face of Quaritch. This bit was in one of the old TV commercials but never made the original theatrical cut.

Sturmbeast hunt felt short because it should have continued into the Dinner Party. That scene better be in teh blu-ray cut
 
Dead said:
No, there was a new bit added where the Thanator grabs the AMP suit and Neytiri growls at the face of Quaritch. This bit was in one of the old TV commercials but never made the original theatrical cut.

Sturmbeast hunt felt short because it should have continued into the Dinner Party. That scene better be in teh blu-ray cut
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Ah good, so I’m not crazy after all! I’m glad that made it in. I was disappointed when I didn’t see it in the original release. :D
 
Avatar 3D Bluray coming in December....exclusive to Panasonic 3DTV bundles.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015478-1.html
Confirming the rumors, Panasonic has announced that the 3D version of the 'Avatar' Blu-ray disc will arrive in December as an exclusive available only to owners of the company's 3D TVs.
As first reported by TWICE:


At launch, running through an undisclosed period of time, the disc will only be available to consumers who purchase a Panasonic 3D Viera plasma TV. The promotional offer will likely take the form of a variety of bundles onto the purchase of Viera 3D TVs and related equipment, although exact details are still to be announced, the company said.

Currently available qualifying TVs include the TC-PVT20/25 series, which has been available starting in April, and the recently announced TC-PGT25 series.

CNET spoke with a Panasonic representative who confirmed that current owners of Panasonic 3D TVs would also have access to the offer. Details are still being worked out as to exactly how, and whether or not the disc will be free. According to the TWICE report, it's also unclear whether Panasonic would make the disc available to customers who purchase only a Panasonic Blu-ray player or Blu-ray home-theater system.

Although the Panasonic rep could not confirm it to CNET, we suspect that this initial release of "Avatar" will be largely devoid of special features such as commentaries and featurettes. The 2D Blu-ray version available now is similarly "bare-bones," as are current 3D Blu-ray exclusives--including "Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs" and "Coraline" from Panasonic, and "Monsters vs. Aliens" from Samsung. Along with Sony's "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs," the sole 3D Blu-ray available in stores, these animated children's titles comprise the extent of the current 3D Blu-ray catalog, which would likely make "Avatar" the first live-action 3D Blu-ray movie available in the US.

Exclusivity, though annoying for early adopters seeking 3D content, is the norm in this first year of 3D's widespread availability in the home. Similar exclusive deals for 3D sporting events include the U.S. Open on DirecTV, The Masters on Comcast and a few other cable providers, and an NFL preseason game between the New York Giants and the New England Patriots on Verizon's Fios network.



Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20015478-1.html#ixzz0yNpKsk8g
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You guys know what's going to kill the 3D home market? This fuckin exclusive shit. There's barely enough content as it is, but for these movie studios to strike up all these tv exclusive deals is just idiotic.
 
I'm not really miffed since the chances are its going to be a bare-bones 3D release and that I won't have a 3D TV for a long time.

I've also been thinking about the image quality on the November bluray release of Avatar, since the barebones edition squeezed every drop of memory out of the last BD, I wonder how the image quality will compare with an extra 17 or so minutes + possible directors commentary ontop of that for the new one.
 
Saw this on Blu-ray earlier tonight on a huge screen. Honestly, I feel like we've been treated to be the generation to witness how stunning this film looks
 
Scullibundo said:
I'm not really miffed since the chances are its going to be a bare-bones 3D release and that I won't have a 3D TV for a long time.

I've also been thinking about the image quality on the November bluray release of Avatar, since the barebones edition squeezed every drop of memory out of the last BD, I wonder how the image quality will compare with an extra 17 or so minutes + possible directors commentary ontop of that for the new one.
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Aren't commentaries really small in size?
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Saw this on Blu-ray earlier tonight on a huge screen. Honestly, I feel like we've been treated to be the generation to witness how stunning this film looks
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That's exactly how I felt watching this shit in 3D for the first time.
 
GhaleonEB said:
$751,001,139

Finally got over $750m domestic. Just had to sandbag a little bit before Titanic comes back.

Heading to see the extended cut in a few hours.
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Still shocked by its good performance. The movie is alright, the effects are amazing - so many films fit that bill.
 
The big news isn't Avatars domestic take finally going over 750 Million.

It's that Avatars overseas take is finally going over 2 Billion dollars.

Avatar made as much worldwide (if not a bit more) than all 3 Pirates of the Caribbean movies combined :D
 
Oh for fuck sake.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/3126923/From-Avatar-to-Amazon.html

Now JAMES CAMERON is making another 3D movie about thousands of people whose homes are endangered by construction of a dam.


The director has thrown his weight behind a campaign to stop a hydroelectric from being built on the Xingu River, an Amazon tributary which will displace up to 16,000 people.


But last week Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva approved the controversial plans.


Now James plans to highlight the plight of local tribes by shooting a movie about their lives.


In an interview with a Brazilian paper he said: "I want to return to meet some of the leaders of the Xikrin-Kayapo tribe who invited me.


"I want to take a 3D camera to film how they live, their culture."


The dam will cause flooding in the rivers banks making it impossible for the Amazonian Indians to stay.


The film-maker has previously shot a short piece about the threatened tribes, and plans to include it as an extra on his forthcoming Avatar DVD.
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