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oconnomiyaki said:
Yeah, but his popularity spike came after the neck injury and after his knees gave out on him. The point I was making that being shit at wrestling doesn't necessarily mean people are going to hate you (and being good at it doesn't mean people will like you). It's all about the gimmick.

I haven't seen enough of The Miz's to make a judgment call, yet. I just wondered if perhaps it was the "I'm awesome" stuff plus the fact he's just got one of those faces.



Dude is a Microsoft fanboy and supports The Miz? Poor guy pretty much walks around GAF with a target on his head. :(
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But Austin was never a shit wrestler, even at his most injured. His knees really didn't affect his in ring style as much as neck injury. If you watch him during the Attitude Era and really think "Man, this guy is shit", my mind can't even comprehend that. But if you think he sucked for his whole career...I have no idea what you'd think a good wrestler is.
 
tm24 said:
That's actually how im doing it!

List will be up by 1 PM PST on Sunday
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You lied to me tm24. Still see a bunch of sequential 1-30 lists.
Should have only done that the first time and then randomized the rest. Not just the last handful.
Now we're guaranteed to have at least three people bragging about getting Big Dave's number whereas it could have been a complete crapshoot before.

Not me, though. That #8 draw is harsh. I'm getting some random tag team jobber. Probably one of the Usos.

Look how incorrigible the #30 guys are this year: bean breath, Speedy Blue Dude. What did Krae_man do to get saddled with that lot?
 
oconnomiyaki said:
Neither could Austin and people loved him.

Admittedly, Austin's character wasn't complete shite, and I haven't seen enough of The Miz's character to make a judgment call...
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I don't know much about the technical, but I can simply respond to this by saying Austin was worth watching.

And WTF when did New Age Outlaws come back? lol
 
9. RBH
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Winners: None
Final four: None
Multiple draws: Shelton Benjamin (2005, 2007)
Longest: Hornswoggle (2008), 26:57
Shortest: Billy Gunn (1994): 0:14.
Most eliminations: Three — Yokozuna (1996), Big Boss Man (2000)

Hornswoggle. Horn-flipping-swoggle. That’s all you need to know about Rumble entry spot No. 9: the longevity honor goes to Hornswoggle. Yes, he pulled a 1996 Jerry Lawler and spent most of the night hiding under the ring. But he also is credited with eliminating The Miz, which is more than 11 other No. 9 entrants can claim.

Aside from Hornswoggle — who is credited with 26:57 of ring time — only two other No. 9s exceeded 20 minutes. Big Boss Man logged 22:47 (and three eliminations) in 2000, and Shelton Benjamin put up 22:22 in 2007.

Shawn Michaels eliminated Benjamin that year — just as he did the year before and the year after. Benjamin joins Warlord, Matt Bloom and Kane on the list of Rumble contestants eliminated three times by the same foe. Hulk Hogan dumped Warlord in 1989, 1991 and 1992. Kane tossed Bloom, as Albert, in 2000 and 2001, and as A-Train in 2003. Triple H removed Kane in 2006, 2008 (who entered at nine, more on that later) and 2010.

But back to the Boss Man, the best No. 9 ever. Again, that’s not saying much. But it’s worth noting Boss Man was the one who halted Rikishi’s streak of seven straight eliminations to start the match. Sure, he needed help from five other men to eliminate the Samoan, but for a while there it was looking like Rikishi was unstoppable. And again, it doesn’t take much to be the best No. 9.

The only other man to enter nine and log three eliminations is Yokozuna, who did so in 1996. He lasted 19:14 before Michaels eliminated him. As good as the numbers look compared to the other ninth entrants, it’s a pretty big letdown for Yoko. In his second and final Rumble — remember he won the 1993 event in dominating fashion — he did casually dump fellow quarter-ton behemoth Mabel, and also ousted fellow two-time WWF Champion Bob Backlund. But a man of Yokozuna’s considerable girth (more considerable than when he won in ’93) should not be eliminated by one man, even if that man is Shawn Michaels. But this was a case of story trumping logic, as Michaels simultaneously dumped both Yokozuna and Vader to start his second straight Rumble victory.

Speaking of Michaels, one of the greatest Rumble participants ever entered at No. 9 in his debut Rumble in 1989. He lasted 14:30 and eliminated “Outlaw” Ron Bass before meeting his fate at the hands of unlikely partners Arn Anderson and Randy Savage, then the WWF Champion. Michaels and Anderson at the time were embroiled in a fierce Rockers/Brain Busters rivalry, a feud many fans don’t give its proper historical accord.

Much has (and will) be written about Kane’s grand stature among Rumble entrants, but 2006 was one of his worst showings. Factoring in his two Rumbles as Isaac Yankem (1996) and Fake Diesel (1997), Glenn “Kane” Jacobs has been in a record 16 Rumbles, logging at least one elimination in all but one match. We detailed his epic run from the No. 6 spot a few days ago; the ninth spot is his second-lowest entry position. He manages just 3:33 (his fifth worst) but did remove Bobby Lashley from the match.

One arcane statistic I track is the shortest time in the ring with at least one elimination. The 1998 No. 9 Owen Hart actually falls at 22nd on that list at 2 minutes, and 2012’s No. 9 Santino Marella is at 27 with 2:31. Owen’s performance is difficult to account for by numbers only. He was attacked en route to the ring by Jeff Jarrett and Jim Cornette and helped to the back. But Hart returned to the match after Jarrett formally entered at No. 18. Hart eliminated Double J but then himself was eliminated due to interference from Triple H and Chyna, who were not formal entrants.

Another area where numbers are difficult to contextualize is exemplified by Shelton Benjmin’s two spins at No. 9. He is credited with an elimination both years, but in 2005 he was one of six men helping to oust Muhammad Hassan, and in 2007 he was one of eight to eliminate Viscera. Numbers may never lie, but they sure can muddle the truth.

Billy Gunn lasted just 14 seconds in 1994, the worst showing in that year’s Rumble and the shortest of any No. 9. In fact, he’s the only No. 9 who couldn’t last at least two minutes. Historically, only 16 men who entered the match fared worse. If we discredit Hornwsoggle’s total, then even the best No. 9 is the worst ever, ranking ahead of Rob Van Dam, entering at 20 in 2006 and lasting 23:52, and Shane Douglas, entering at 17 in 1991 and lasting 26:23.

(After the 20th spot the “best” times start to decrease, which makes sense given how much of the match has elapsed by the time No. 21 hits the ring.)

And since No. 9 is so awful, perhaps the worst ever, we’ll end with just a couple of random tidbits. In both 1990 and 1991, the No. 9 entrant was eliminated by his opponent at the subsequent WrestleMania (Bad News Brown/Roddy Piper and Jake Roberts/Rick Martel), and how about that nod to history with Ric Flair dumping Kerry Von Erich in 1992? The Rumble/Mania foreshadowing recurred in 1998 with Own Hart and Triple H. Undertaker thrice eliminated No. 9 — Tenryu in 1993, Matt Hardy in 2002 and JTG in 2009.

All right, that’s pretty much it. No. 9 is a dumpster fire, but perhaps that can change in 2014. Keep a stopwatch handy to see if this year’s ninth man can reach 27 minutes and restore some glory to the position.



Year
Wrestler
Dur.
Out
El.
Elim. By
Elim. By


1988
Danny Davis
0:17:51
13
0
Duggan

1989
Shawn Michaels
0:14:30
9
1
Anderson
Savage
1990
Bad News Brown
0:06:04
6
0
Piper

1991
Jake Roberts
0:12:58
6
1
Martel

1992
Kerry Von Erich
0:09:20
8
0
Flair

1993
Genichiro Tenryu
0:13:17
10
0
Undertaker

1994
Billy Gunn
0:00:14
8
0
Diesel

1995
Savio Vega (Kwang)
0:04:01
8
1
Sione

1996
Yokozuna
0:19:14
11
3
Michaels

1997
Pierroth
0:10:32
10
1
Mascaras

1998
Owen Hart
0:02:00
10
1
Triple H*
Chyna*
1999
Tiger Ali Singh
0:04:02
5
1
Mabel

2000
Big Boss Man
0:22:47
15
3
Rock

2001
Perry Saturn
0:05:02
10
0
Kane

2002
Matt Hardy
0:04:16
9
0
Undertaker

2003
Bill DeMott
0:02:13
4
0
Edge

2004
Matt Morgan
0:12:14
10
1
Benoit

2005
Shelton Benjamin
0:14:35
10
1
Edge

2006
Glenn Jacobs (Kane)
0:03:33
8
1
Triple H

2007
Shelton Benjamin
0:22:22
14
1
Michaels

2008
Hornswoggle
0:26:57
16
1
(Injury)

2009
JTG
0:11:59
7
0
Undertaker

2010
Drew McIntyre
0:14:43
16
0
Michaels
Triple H
2011
Husky Harris
0:15:48
15
1
Khali

2012
Santino Marella
0:02:31
7
1
C. Rhodes

2013
David Otunga
0:04:24
4
0
Sheamus
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http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-royal-rumble-by-entry-numbers-9.html


Meh.
 
Mr. Luchador, WhoaIsThatMars, and I are going to win the Royal Rumble!

I'm watching the 2010 RR again and I want longhair Punk again. ; _ ;

SHAVE OFF THOSE GODDAMN MUTTON CHOPS.
 
UberTag said:
You lied to me tm24. Still see a bunch of sequential 1-30 lists.
Should have only done that the first time and then randomized the rest. Not just the last handful.
Now we're guaranteed to have at least three people bragging about getting Big Dave's number whereas it could have been a complete crapshoot before.

Not me, though. That #8 draw is harsh. I'm getting some random tag team jobber. Probably one of the Usos.
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I was going to do it like that, but couldn't find an easy way to do it! The list got too big to be able to do it that way!
 
strobogo said:
If you watch him during the Attitude Era and really think "Man, this guy is shit", my mind can't even comprehend that. But if you think he sucked for his whole career...I have no idea what you'd think a good wrestler is.
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See my edit for what I thought about him in the Attitude era. Utterly boring.

Good wrestlers?

Hart. Malenko. Benoit. Michaels (to an extent).
 
#6 damnit! :(

Here's hoping that's either Batista or Bryan.

But it'll be a surprise legend or an Uso instead.
 
18, eh?!

Facts & Stats:

Number of Winners: 1
Best Result: Won
Worst Result: Did Not Compete
Longest Time: 29:17
Shortest Time: 0:00
Most Eliminations: 9
Total Eliminations: 41
Total Combined Time: 4:38:20
Average Time: 10:42
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I'M FEELIN LUCKY!!
 
oconnomiyaki said:
See my edit for what I thought about him in the Attitude era. Utterly boring.

Good wrestlers?

Hart. Malenko. Benoit. Michaels (to an extent).
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Does Bret thinking his matches with Austin were some of the best of his (Bret's) career and thinking Austin is one of his best opponents ever carry any weight? You didn't find the Austin/Dude Love matches in 1998 good at all? Or Soulplaya's favorite match at KOTR98? Or any of the Rock/Austin stuff?
 
UberTag said:
Not me, though. That #8 draw is harsh. I'm getting some random tag team jobber. Probably one of the Usos.
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Biggest-Geek-Ever said:
YES

#8... It's your time to shine!
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Xater said:
Damn, number 8 so it's probably some jobber.
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We need Darth Sonik to post in here to also lament his #8 draw.
All of the #8s are going to represent in here before any other number.
Because that's how we roll. We're more relevant than the Aces & Eights.
 
strobogo said:
Does Bret thinking his matches with Austin were some of the best of his (Bret's) career and thinking Austin is one of his best opponents ever carry any weight? You didn't find the Austin/Dude Love matches in 1998 good at all? Or Soulplaya's favorite match at KOTR98? Or any of the Rock/Austin stuff?
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You're just digging yourself deeper into the hole of the Miz being an amazing wrestler and in-ring personality.
 
I just can't wrap my head around someone thinking Austin was only good when getting carried. At any point in his career except WM19.
 
I've never understood why people rate pro-wrestler's 'wrestling skills' based on how technical or agile or fast they are. Stone Cold was mostly a brawler at the twilight of his career, but he put on some damn good matches. It's like CM Punk today who is very sloppy, and not the most coordinated of individuals, but it doesn't change that he can put on some good or great matches with certain individuals.

Anyhow, entry number 18 is doomsday for me. That's a jobber entry number for this rumble. The best picks today are going to be in the 20s because that's where either Batista or Bryan are likely going to show up.
 
I think we can rule out #1 and #30 winning. They seem to like always mentioning that the same amount of winners came from both numbers.
 
strobogo said:
Does Bret thinking his matches with Austin were some of the best of his (Bret's) career and thinking Austin is one of his best opponents ever carry any weight? You didn't find the Austin/Dude Love matches in 1998 good at all? Or Soulplaya's favorite match at KOTR98? Or any of the Rock/Austin stuff?
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Hart totally carried Austin through those matches. They were memorable, but it wasn't because Austin was this stellar wrestler. Also, the point isn't to confuse entertaining with technical wrestling. I enjoyed Taker vs Mankind's HitC match and there wasn't really anything close to wrestling in it.

Again, the original point was that you don't necessarily get hated because you're a shit wrestler.

The problem with Austin was, at his peak, he was just so boring to watch. There was never any real risk with him, which at least there was pre-WM14. It's like why I never got into wrestling during Cena's reign (or at least time as the face of the company). Not because I hate him, but because it's just so utterly boring to see someone to be that high up on the mountain. I'm not saying belts should change hands every week, but at least make it look like it's actually a contest.

It's why I switched from watching WCW to WWF during Goldberg's time at WCW. WCW just grew stale while WWF was fresh and interesting.

Hey, I might grow to hate The Miz, too. I just asked because I saw one match/segment and I was like "What in God's name has this man done to inspire such hate?"
 
They probably want to put Batista at #22 to #24 to keep up the suspense of him actually having to stay in there for ten minutes, and then put some big guy (Big Show, Mark Henry, Great Khali (lol)) at #29 to pretend to present a big challenge for him to overcome.
 
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