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RTTP: Jon Stewart on Crossfire

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Bacon

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I think this is one of Jon Stewart's best moments. He dropped his persona and really just dug into the show and the media. It was telling that the co-hosts of Crossfire very quickly gave up on talking about the issue that Jon Stewart was trying to bring up and resorted to attacking him, such as "What's it like to have dinner with you it must be excruciating" in response to "We need what you do, this is such a great opportunity you have here."

Of course it is topped off by a couple fantastic zingers by Stewart towards Tucker Carlson -

"No, I'm not gonna be your monkey" and "You know what's interesting though, you're as big of a dick on your show as you are on any show"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

What do you all think of this moment, Jon Stewart's other best moments, and thoughts on Jon Stewart in general?
 
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AniHawk

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the 'you should go to one' line really seemed to bother carlson like nothing else. the line and his reaction to that was probably my favorite thing.
 
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BronsonLee

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This was the moment that really started to cement his spot/his viewpoints so far, in my opinion. Shit got real then.

In hindsight, I thought it was kind of crummy how he clearly ambushed them. They had one idea of what they were speaking about, and he went off the rails almost immediately. That shit was planned.

I didn't really like the talk about his lead-in being puppets doing prank phone calls either. It's true, sure, but it felt a bit like a smoke screen. Yes, your show is satire, but your audience definitely cares about your actual viewpoint/how you present things.

That being said, that's all nitpicking on my part. This is absolutely one of his crowning moments, and definitely the one that got him the most attention from outside his current audience at the time.
 
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LiveFromKyoto

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I watched this live when it happened. I have never seen a guest single-handedly cancel a show before, it was awkward and astounding.
 
DietRob

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Yep, it was pretty amazing. Even more so that his appearance was the catalyst for the show being canceled. Love Jon Stewart.
 
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OnPoint

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BronsonLee said:
This was the moment that really started to cement his spot/his viewpoints so far, in my opinion. Shit got real then.

In hindsight, I thought it was kind of crummy how he clearly ambushed them. They had one idea of what they were speaking about, and he went off the rails almost immediately. That shit was planned.

I didn't really like the talk about his lead-in being puppets doing prank phone calls either. It's true, sure, but it felt a bit like a smoke screen. Yes, your show is satire, but your audience definitely cares about your actual viewpoint/how you present things.

That being said, that's all nitpicking on my part. This is absolutely one of his crowning moments, and definitely the one that got him the most attention from outside his current audience at the time.
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That's what makes it awesome. It was real.
 
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nilbog21

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What is up with Tucker Carlson's face that makes me want to punch it so much?

Anyway, these guys are chumps compared to Stewart. He needs to fight someone his own size: Bill O"Reilly. Their debates are so entertaining and even matched
 
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GuitarAtomik

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BronsonLee said:
This was the moment that really started to cement his spot/his viewpoints so far, in my opinion. Shit got real then.

In hindsight, I thought it was kind of crummy how he clearly ambushed them. They had one idea of what they were speaking about, and he went off the rails almost immediately. That shit was planned.

I didn't really like the talk about his lead-in being puppets doing prank phone calls either. It's true, sure, but it felt a bit like a smoke screen. Yes, your show is satire, but your audience definitely cares about your actual viewpoint/how you present things.

That being said, that's all nitpicking on my part. This is absolutely one of his crowning moments, and definitely the one that got him the most attention from outside his current audience at the time.
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At the same time, it's kind of amazing that he was able to go on THEIR show and take on TWO hosts and still come out the clear victor. Good stuff.
 
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Protein

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I haven't watched the video in a long time but I recall this part being hilarious. Something along the lines of:



Jon: "How old are you?"

Tucker: "35." (I think)

Jon: "And you wear a bow-tie."

*audience laughter*

Jon: "Now I'm not saying you're stupid because those things look hard to tie."
 
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BronsonLee

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OnPoint said:
That's what makes it awesome. It was real.
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GuitarAtomik said:
At the same time, it's kind of amazing that he was able to go on THEIR show and take on TWO hosts and still come out the clear victor. Good stuff.
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Oh, absolutely. He went on their show, on their terms, and absolutely 100% buried them. They weren't prepared for that at all. He singlehandedly got their show cancelled, that's how much of a drubbing it was.

Moral of the story; Stewart plays for keeps, and Tucker is S-A-W-F-T
 
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Ninja Scooter

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It was an awesome moment it's just a shame the whole cable news monster hasn't changed much since then, if anything it's gotten worse. ESPN and First Take could really use someone to come in and "crossfire" them.
 
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Bacon

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Ninja Scooter said:
It was an awesome moment it's just a shame the whole cable news monster hasn't changed much since then, if anything it's gotten worse. ESPN and First Take could really use someone to come in and "crossfire" them.
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These are good points. It probably did more for Jon Stewart's perception and fame then it did for spurring any real change in the media unfortunately.
 
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Armaros

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BronsonLee said:
This was the moment that really started to cement his spot/his viewpoints so far, in my opinion. Shit got real then.

In hindsight, I thought it was kind of crummy how he clearly ambushed them. They had one idea of what they were speaking about, and he went off the rails almost immediately. That shit was planned.

I didn't really like the talk about his lead-in being puppets doing prank phone calls either. It's true, sure, but it felt a bit like a smoke screen. Yes, your show is satire, but your audience definitely cares about your actual viewpoint/how you present things.

That being said, that's all nitpicking on my part. This is absolutely one of his crowning moments, and definitely the one that got him the most attention from outside his current audience at the time.
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He showed that they couldn't deal with a 'comedian' that knows politics.

How in the hell could they seriously take on high-powered politicians that have been doing that for decades.

He showed how shallow and completely worthless the show was.
 
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Divvy

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Ninja Scooter said:
It was an awesome moment it's just a shame the whole cable news monster hasn't changed much since then, if anything it's gotten worse. ESPN and First Take could really use someone to come in and "crossfire" them.
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IIRC CNN tried to change to something more legitimate afterwards, but they lost a lot of money and the CEO stepped down and the new one turned the channel to shit.
 
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Empty

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i think his broader point is against the team sportsification of politics and is spot on, it's incredibly damaging to public discourse. i really like this appearance. yet it's kinda hollow to me, as while i enjoy the daily show i basically think it's bad for democracy too. it's guilty of the same thing to me, which is turning news into entertainment, appealing so that liberals can feel smarter, more empathetic, superior than conservatives and pandering hard to that audience. it's a lot classier than conservative talk radio, but it functionally serves the same purpose.

he tries to evade this by positioning himself as some kind of innocent clown without wider social responsibilities like a straight news channel but i think that's a false representation of how his audience actually perceives him, how the show is watched and received and i don't buy it for a second. it's more than just a comedy show.
 
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gutter_trash

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Stewart just told the truth of everything that is wrong with Cable News
Protein said:
CNN taking a "both sides are equal" stance only validates extremism.
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it validates partisanship not extremism.

these shows dont tell you the news or the truth, they are just mouth pieces to delivery talking points on party lines.

Two sides of every story news is not news, not informative, it's just party line crap.

Real journalism is about facts and putting the partisan hacks' feet to the fire.

When it takes a comedian to do a journalist's job, the news world has big problems
 
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Bacon

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Also this is my first thread I've ever made. I'll be sending each and every one of you that responded a handwritten thank you letter.

Congratulations everyone!
 
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wigwag85

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Empty said:
i think his broader point is against the team sportsification of politics and is spot on, it's incredibly damaging to public discourse. i really like this appearance. yet it's kinda hollow to me, as while i enjoy the daily show i basically think it's bad for democracy too. it's guilty of the same thing to me, which is turning news into entertainment, appealing so that liberals can feel smarter, more empathetic, superior than conservatives and pandering hard to that audience. it's a lot classier than conservative talk radio, but it functionally serves the same purpose.

he tries to evade this by positioning himself as some kind of innocent clown without wider social responsibilities like a straight news channel but i think that's a false representation of how his audience actually perceives him, how the show is watched and received and i don't buy it for a second. it's more than just a comedy show.
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So what you're saying is both sides are bad? I guess I'd better vote Republican then.

By the way, the Daily Show isn't journalism, and if you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.
 
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Camp Lo

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baconbm said:
Also this is my first thread I've ever made. I'll be sending each and every one of you that responded a handwritten thank you letter.

Congratulations everyone!
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The Technomancer

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wigwag85 said:
So what you're saying is both sides are bad? I guess I'd better vote Republican then.

By the way, the Daily Show isn't journalism, and if you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.
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The Daily Show isn't journalism, but I mean...its hard to point to what is these days, at least in terms of the "cable news" scene
 
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gutter_trash

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wigwag85 said:
So what you're saying is both sides are bad? I guess I'd better vote Republican then.

By the way, the Daily Show isn't journalism, and if you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.
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before cable news, there used to be real journalism. Some of us who are older have lived through a period pre-cable where real stories, real journalists reported on facts, not opinions

two sided panels are not two sided facts... they are just two sided opinions.


I laugh hard when the pro-Democrat side calls itself as Left hahaha they are not Left
 
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Empty

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wigwag85 said:
So what you're saying is both sides are bad? I guess I'd better vote Republican then.

By the way, the Daily Show isn't journalism, and if you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.
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no. i'm saying the specific approach to news is bad.

the daily show isn't journalism but nor is crossfire. they're both news entertainment shows that people watch as they think they count as news and being politically informed. i would apply stewart's criticsm of crossfire that it's bad as they debase public discourse for cheap entertainment to both crossfire and his own show.
 
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Bacon

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Empty said:
no. i'm saying the specific approach to news is bad.

the daily show isn't journalism but nor is crossfire. they're both news entertainment shows that people watch as they think they count as news and being politically informed. i would apply stewart's criticsm of crossfire that it's bad as they debase public discourse for cheap entertainment to both crossfire and his own show.
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I agree with your point that both shows are ultimately entertainment but I do still think that the public should expect to get real news and journalism from CNN over Comedy Central.

Edit: Although major news outlets have proven time and time again that they aren't interested in delivering real news, just news that keeps people from changing the channel.
 
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The Technomancer

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Empty said:
no. i'm saying the specific approach to news is bad.

the daily show isn't journalism but nor is crossfire. they're both news entertainment shows that people watch as they think they count as news and being politically informed. i would apply stewart's criticsm of crossfire that it's bad as they debase public discourse for cheap entertainment to both crossfire and his own show.
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This can be maybe applied to Stewart's main bits, but then again those at least never try to present themselves as anything but comedy

But in terms of the cable news scene Stewart is definitely one of the best interviewers I've ever seen when it comes to politically important or just interesting guests. He's not particularly concerned with the entire piece being a verbal blowjob which results in them actually talking about stuff
 
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zero shift

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gutter_trash said:
before cable news, there used to be real journalism. Some of us who are older have lived through a period pre-cable where real stories, real journalists reported on facts, not opinions

two sided panels are not two sided facts... they are just two sided opinions.


I laugh hard when the pro-Democrat side calls itself as Left hahaha they are not Left
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Basically everything was like PBS and BBC. It was a slow gradual shift into what we have now.
 
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Protein

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gutter_trash said:
Stewart just told the truth of everything that is wrong with Cable News

it validates partisanship not extremism.

these shows dont tell you the news or the truth, they are just mouth pieces to delivery talking points on party lines.

Two sides of every story news is not news, not informative, it's just party line crap.

Real journalism is about facts and putting the partisan hacks' feet to the fire.

When it takes a comedian to do a journalist's job, the news world has big problems
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Only reason I mentioned extremism is because I consider 'climate change denial' to be an extremist view, but yes as a result of partisan hackery.

The Bill Nye-Climate Change "Debate" 'Crossfire' episode. Shows how bad this show really is. Cringe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJj0JlcFKzY
 
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gutter_trash

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Protein said:
Only reason I mentioned extremism is because I consider 'climate change denial' to be an extremist view, but yes as a result of partisan hackery.

The Bill Nye-Climate Change "Debate" 'Crossfire' episode. Shows how bad this show really is. Cringe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJj0JlcFKzY
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that is a a huge problem where opinions trump facts.

The Republicans who deny climate change don't do it because of belief,they do it because they don't want environmentalists to disturb the profits from oil & gas, coal.

Being green goes against their interests of making money from dirty industies
 
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Empty

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The Technomancer said:
This can be maybe applied to Stewart's main bits, but then again those at least never try to present themselves as anything but comedy

But in terms of the cable news scene Stewart is definitely one of the best interviewers I've ever seen when it comes to politically important or just interesting guests. He's not particularly concerned with the entire piece being a verbal blowjob which results in them actually talking about stuff
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i'd say that's fair. i think part of my frustration with stewart here is that he clearly has the intelligence and personal charm to do something that's better than 'look at this stupid republican being stupid', like he keeps saying in the crossfire interview "we need help", looking back at this interview i feel he could do more with his influence and popularity to do that.
 
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gutter_trash

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Empty said:
i'd say that's fair. i think part of my frustration with stewart here is that he clearly has the intelligence and personal charm to do something that's better than 'look at this stupid republican being stupid', like he keeps saying in the crossfire interview "we need help", looking back at this interview i feel he could do more with his influence and popularity to do that.
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but you guys are making it too much about him and ignoring the big picture of the state of Cable News and journalism.

it's not about Stewart.

I can't watch MSNBC either because they have ""chosen"" a side. That is disingenuous with news. And it masks the problems and the faults with the side they picked
 
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