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RTTP - Star Trek Enterprise

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Over the past few months I have watched this entire series on SKY, I enjoyed it so much I just bought the full four season boxset on Blu Ray, so I can delete the episodes from.my SKY box and have them preserved forever in a glorious hard copy format.

Some thoughts, great cast, Scott Bakula as Captain Jonathan Archer is a damn fine choice for a Star Trek captain, ultimately he isn't as iconic as Kirk or Picard. His character was very well fleshed out and we see real growth in him as the series progresses, to begin with he is quite idealistic and clearly under pressure as he has to prove that Earth and Starfleet are ready for the challenges of space and everything it entails. By the end of the series he's a hardened man by what he's been through and a bona fide hero. We see just how far he will go when situations are desperate in season three
when he tortures a captured enemy to gain information on the Xindi superweapon.

Conor Trineer as Tucker is someone who initially I disliked he seemed too typecast at first, too stereotypically American, but his relationship with T'Pol was handled very tastefully. The writers gave Tucker room to grow and soon he broke free of the typecast he initially had and became in my opinion a standout character. I hated the way his character was treated in the season finale, it was so disrespectful when you consider all the development work out in to building his character.

T'Pol was another favourite, her fish out of water character made for some very interesting situations, she was privy to.more knowledge of interstellar dealings than anyone else on the ship. But had little experience working with non Vulcans, naturally her conceptions of humans were often challenged and became a central theme. She also had an.interesting arc where an encounter left her with a form of substance dependency and weakened her emotional self control an ambitious plot that Trek had largely ignored before.

Hoshi was a character who I wish had been given more storylines of her own, Hoshi is a gem who wasn't given the time to shine she deserved for me. She had some great moments but her full potential was never realised.

On the whole this has become one of my favourite Star Trek series with some of the most ambitious plots yet, the Xindi storyline in season three is one of the most interesting concepts the series has ever done, not just the whole save Earth story but the Xindi as a species and the way they work together as a collective and the resulting intersepecies tensions as a result of their tumultuous past.
 

Slayven

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Underrated show, I agree with hoshi and the dude that drove the ship got shafted on character development. They actually resolved the Temporal Time War in a book.
 

Sephzilla

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I'd go as far as to say I think Enterprise might be the third best Trek series behind TNG and DS9. Seasons 1 and 2 are a bit of a drag, but really, every first season or two of Trek sucks. Seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best seasons in any Trek series, period.
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I mean, it's not a bad show but the fact that it had to go up against Battlestar Galactica, a vastly superior space show (and drama), did Enterprise no favors. Then it got cancelled just as it was getting really good.

Enterprise has to have the worst intro theme song ever though. Never met anyone irl or online that likes that awful song.
 
To me Enterprise did quite a few good things but what killed the show was the first two seasons, the show picked up so well around season 3 and 4 regarding the main plot. The show was the prequel to Star Trek itself but they fucked it up with the first two seasons because people lost interest. If they started off with how well they did S03+S04 I think it would've been so much better. To be fair no Star Trek show had good opening seasons.

I liked T'Pol but the show got some flak due to some episodes of how she was sexualised because it was very odd for the nature of Star Trek. The character herself was interesting.

Didn't like Archer as a captain but he was better than Janeway. He did some questionable stuff but a well developed character in the show and Scott Bakula is a good actor.

And honestly Dr Phlox is the best Doctor ever in Star Trek. Such a cool dude.

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In my opinion: TNG > DS9 > Enterprise > Voyager. TOS is quite different from the other Star Trek shows and doesn't feel right grading it with them. It's also a 50 year old show and its plot lines/stories don't hold up to the others. It's just really iconic that's all, not necessarily good. I think TNG is the best Star Trek show. The movies from TOS are what is good though.
 

Fuchsdh

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Apparently there were a lot of questionable results in the series that were mandated by the studios—the show runners actually wanted to push the "before the original series!" concept further but got vetoed (hence why "phasers" and the like came into play so early on.)

On the other hand, I think Berman and Braga really just didn't have much left to say on the subject of Trek, given how they retread themselves fairly heavily.

Also, whoever told Scott Bakula, "now remember, you've got to be an angry dick in all your scenes" severely hurt a character who only came around in basically the final season.

The Temporal Cold War was a stupid idea, even with space alien Nazis in the end.

I think overall it does get savaged too much too easily by Star Trek fans. Really its cancellation had less to do with the quality of the series by that point and more due to the fact it was on a channel whose biggest ratings hit was a Tyra Banks fashion show. That wasn't the demo to watch sci-fi.

And honestly Dr Phlox is the best Doctor ever in Star Trek. Such a cool dude.

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That is still one of my favorite effects shots in all the series. So simple, so disarmingly creepy.
 
I dislike this show. I was uncomfortable with the 9/11 allusions (though a lot of american shows were doing this kind of thing at the time), the bizarrely out of place decontamination scenes, and how lame Archer was, especially as he was being played by Scott frigging Bakula, how did they manage to mess that one up. Having a huge arc like the Temporal Cold War when they didn't even have an endgame planned was moronic.

Also wasn't a fan of how they portrayed the vulcans and how they introduced the klingons, and the pathetic attempt to explain smooth headed klingons.=, or that terribad final episode. The mirror universe ep was pretty cool though

also trip sucked

And honestly Dr Phlox is the best Doctor ever in Star Trek. Such a cool dude.

I like Bashir & McCoy more myself. The Doctor I'd say is better too. Pulaski had the potential to be great, but they messed around trying to make her McCoy 2.0. He's better then Crusher I guess
 

Bizazedo

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Just started this show on Netflix and am halfway through season 2. the temporal Cold War doesn't bother me at this point, but it definitely doesn't feel fleshed out at all. Opening song is horrible.

I like Reed and most of the characters and I really like how naive and idealistic the crew is. Enterprise seems to be getting its ass kicked a lot which I'm not a fan of but the little things like everyone being scared of the transporter is a nice touch. they talk about chef so much that Chef really should have been a character but then again maybe they were scared because of how bad Voyage was.
 
I like the show, and for me it's also the third best Trek after DS9 and TNG, but it's weird how stuff looks more modern than shows that happen later in the timeline..

It doesn't give me a vibe of "early space exploration tech" in the slightest.
 

NR1

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I rank the series like this: DS9, TNG, TOS, Enterprise, Voyager. Enterprise would probably rank higher if Rick Berman had been pushed out of the franchise sooner and Manny Coto was brought on earlier. Season 4 was everything Enterprise should have been and more, IMO. I hated everything to do with the Temperal Cold War and Xindi.
 

Sephzilla

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The last 2 seasons were good, season 1 and 2 fucking brutal..

As others, and myself, have said, first seasons of Trek are always rough. Even TNG and DS9 couldn't escape this. That being said, I didn't think the first two seasons of Enterprise were as offensively stupid as the shit Voyager got away with.
 

Sou Da

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Been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

I enjoyed the last two seasons with the exception of Riker rearing his ugly head, something that will never leave me are those weird, out of place, oily rub down decontamination scenes in which Trip had an erection.
 

Slayven

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As others, and myself, have said, first seasons of Trek are always rough. Even TNG and DS9 couldn't escape this. That being said, I didn't think the first two seasons of Enterprise were as offensively stupid as the shit Voyager got away with.

Thankfully no one else had it "Code of Honor" rough.
 

Sou Da

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As others, and myself, have said, first seasons of Trek are always rough. Even TNG and DS9 couldn't escape this. That being said, I didn't think the first two seasons of Enterprise were as offensively stupid as the shit Voyager got away with.

I remember a twitch streamer that had a fantastic impression of every scene Chakotay got.
 

Harlock

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It was a serie with a lot of potential. Could have been a middle term between humans from now and Star Trek future. But was a weird next-genish thing.

Travis Mayweather was the face of series: an action choose to be flat, without energy. In the episode where we find your brother, the actor who made the brother was way more energetic than Travis.

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It was a serie with a lot of potential. Could have been a middle term between humans from now and Star Trek future. But was a weird next-genish thing.

Travis Mayweather was the face of series: an action choose to be flat, without energy. In the episode where we find your brother, the actor who made the brother was way more energetic than Travis.

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Wow, I don't even remember that black guy.
 
The series finale was so horrible it forever tainted the series for me. Just when the show was getting good they took a dump on it. Shame.

Still salty at what they chose to do with Trip/T'Pol.
 

Novocaine

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GOIN' WHERE MY HEART WILL TAKE ME


Fuck that intro song man.

But yeah I liked Enterprise and never understood why it got all of the hate it does, especially when there are worse Treks
Voyager
. Trip kind of bothered me as a character but I liked the rest of the crew.
 

destrudo

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I marathoned this show about a year ago.

First 2 seasons were brutally boring. Characters were also really inconsistent, made really bad decisions, and there was a lot of shit that made no sense. Especially the episodes surrounding the prime directive.

I'm glad I pushed through that though because the last 2 seasons were genuinely entertaining. I liked that they had an ongoing storyline and episode arcs, it made Star Trek feel fresh and I actually started to really enjoy it. Too bad they mucked up the finale in the worst way possible. It felt like a smack in the face.
 
Trip was an annoying character who got way too much screen time and Travis was boring. I also felt Trips shitness infected T'pol S3 onwards whenever they were together. SHe was always better when interacting with Archer.

...but I really liked the series.

What I didn't like was the 4th season having several mini-arcs over several episodes. Much prefer either weekly stories like S1/2 or season long arc like S3.

Oh yeah, screw that finale. But at least
Trip died.
 

Morts

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I pretend it doesn't exist. It's such an unnecessary last episode considering the two-parter that precedes it functions as a much better natural finale anyway

Yeah, that two-parter was great. And it was the first of two times that Peter Weller got to be a Star Trek villain.

There were a bunch of excellent mini arcs in season 4: the one with Data's (great?) grandfather and the mirror universe two-parter especially.
 

Htown

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I'd go as far as to say I think Enterprise might be the third best Trek series behind TNG and DS9. Seasons 1 and 2 are a bit of a drag, but really, every first season or two of Trek sucks. Seasons 3 and 4 are some of the best seasons in any Trek series, period.

I don't know if I'd go that far, because TOS had some real classic stuff, but I'd definitely take Enterprise over Voyager any day of the week.
 

Sephzilla

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I don't know if I'd go that far, because TOS had some real classic stuff, but I'd definitely take Enterprise over Voyager any day of the week.

I straight up don't like a good chunk of the first season of TOS, and hate the third season. The second season I appreciate but I have a hard time watching it simply due to its more 60s style and pacing. So me liking Enterprise more than TOS is generally just a "me" thing.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
It was a serie with a lot of potential. Could have been a middle term between humans from now and Star Trek future. But was a weird next-genish thing.

Yeah. ENT shared one problem with VOY: both series didn't use their premisses to its full potential. In VOY you almost immediately forgot that half of the ship was comprised of Marquis. Resource problems were almost non-existing and non-consequential. The situation almost never forced them to act against federation moral standards. In the end it was little more than another TNG-style show.

Similarly, ENT reused almost every tech and race known from previous Star Trek shows. Even the transporter was available when the plot needed it.
 

Htown

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Similarly, ENT reused almost every tech and race known from previous Star Trek shows. Even the transporter was available when the plot needed it.
I didn't have a problem with the transporter, but bringing in the Borg and ESPECIALLY the Ferengi was pretty shameless.

I do give Enterprise props for giving somebody a reason to give a shit about Andorians for the first time ever.
 

Slayven

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I didn't have a problem with the transporter, but bringing in the Borg and ESPECIALLY the Ferengi was pretty shameless.

I do give Enterprise props for giving somebody a reason to give a shit about Andorians for the first time ever.

Yo, Shran was that dude. I would ride with him anytime.
 
Anyone else considers the last episode as not canon? Just bulshit.

I don't acknowledge it, but then again it was basically a "fuck you" to the network heads for pulling the show.

Tragedy since seasons three and four were very good and the show was producing some really quality stuff by that time.
 

Fuchsdh

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Hoshi was a character who I wish had been given more storylines of her own, Hoshi is a gem who wasn't given the time to shine she deserved for me. She had some great moments but her full potential was never realised.

One thing I appreciated with Hoshi is she failed, and often. She's clearly highly intelligent and knowledgeable, but when you were being through up against alien races she was way in over her head. But I thought they did a good job of making her sympathetic.

People always rag on shows where the main characters are superhuman, but fact is it's much easier to make people love them that way.
 
Enterprise was way too tame. The first seasons should have been all about conflicts with the vulcans, bunch of other alien races and itself until humanity found its place in the universe.
 

v0yce

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Yeah. ENT shared one problem with VOY: both series didn't use their premisses to its full potential. In VOY you almost immediately forgot that half of the ship was comprised of Marquis. Resource problems were almost non-existing and non-consequential. The situation almost never forced them to act against federation moral standards. In the end it was little more than another TNG-style show.

Similarly, ENT reused almost every tech and race known from previous Star Trek shows. Even the transporter was available when the plot needed it.

This. The tech stuff doesn't bother me as much, but the fact that the first earth crew keeps jumping in the middle of galaxy defining events or worse (temporal cold war - eesh) was a bummer.

I've seen all of that stuff in Trek before. I wanted a small scale character driven show about humans fumbling their way through their first ventures into deep space. There's moments of that, but not nearly enough.

Plus the characters are just totally forgettable. I really thought he Archer character was pretty bad. Phlox was awesome though.

I should probably give it a rewatch. Years removed and with no Trek series fresh in mind would probably let me appreciate it a lot more.
 

Mengy

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I rank the series like this: DS9, TNG, TOS, Enterprise, Voyager. Enterprise would probably rank higher if Rick Berman had been pushed out of the franchise sooner and Manny Coto was brought on earlier. Season 4 was everything Enterprise should have been and more, IMO. I hated everything to do with the Temperal Cold War and Xindi.

Yep, agreed on the show rankings. Enterprise was just slightly better than Voyager. Both were horrible shows with small spots of greatness scattered about their runs. Some of my favorite episodes of Star Trek are in both Enterprise and Voyager, yet I disliked both series overall. That said, the 4th season of Enterprise was awesome and vastly improved over the previous three, if it had started out that strong then I would have liked the show much, much more. Conversely, I really liked season one of Voyager but it went downhill quickly from there, lol.


I miss good Star Trek. :(
 
To me Enterprise did quite a few good things but what killed the show was the first two seasons, the show picked up so well around season 3 and 4 regarding the main plot.

Agreed, captain. The first two seasons were rough, season 3 was actually quite good and season 4 was even better than that with some great episodes. It's a shame it wasn't picked up for the full seven seasons, it was cancelled just as it was finding its stride.

Edit: But the best doctor was clearly Robert Picardo.
 

Sephzilla

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I remember hearing Shran would've become a regular if they had made it to season 5. No idea how true that is.

Pretty sure that was going to be the case. There was also a plan to refit the Enterprise to bring it more into line with the TOS ship. Apparently we'd also have had some Romulan War build up and the establishment of the first star base http://whatculture.com/tv/star-trek-enterprise-happened-season-5.php

:(

Shran was so cool
 
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